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In another thread I made a comment about how Obama's course of action thus far can be described as socialist. I supported it with examples, so naturally everyone tried to divert attention to something else I said about how my views are largely centrist. It's time to get the conversation back on track.

I'll make a thread about centrism too in time, but for now let's take a look at Obama's Socialist policies.

GabonX wrote:The man nationalized GM, and tried to take over the health care industry as well. He's had self declared communists in his administration and advisers who praise Mao as role models for students to emulate. There's also his famous "spread the wealth around" quote.

Even Hugo Chavez has taken note of his far left course of action...

Like I said, we're not as dumb as you would like us to be.

For the record, this is just the tip of the iceberg. Anyone else who can provide examples of Obama's Socialism, post them here and I'll edit them into the OP. Let's try to get a list of examples to counter the rubbish that people like to throw out about how Obama isn't a Socialist.

GabonX wrote:In another thread I made a comment about how Obama's course of action thus far can be described as socialist. I supported it with examples, so naturally everyone tried to divert attention to something else I said about how my views are largely centrist. It's time to get the conversation back on track.

I'll make a thread about centrism too in time, but for now let's take a look at Obama's Socialist policies.

GabonX wrote:The man nationalized GM, and tried to take over the health care industry as well. He's had self declared communists in his administration and advisers who praise Mao as role models for students to emulate. There's also his famous "spread the wealth around" quote.

Even Hugo Chavez has taken note of his far left course of action...

Like I said, we're not as dumb as you would like us to be.

For the record, this is just the tip of the iceberg. Anyone else who can provide examples of Obama's Socialism, post them here and I'll edit them into the OP. Let's try to get a list of examples to counter the rubbish that people like to throw out about how Obama isn't a Socialist.

Excuse the fact that I'm actually posting in a political thread, but I just gotta:

You are so God damned SURE that socialism/communism is bad?

Do you think, in some way way, that a sort of socialist-democracy or a communist-capitalism can not only exist, but be relatively perfect in structure?

That's another debate.I would much rather have an open and honest debate about a thing than to have politicians lie about the nature of their policies so they can subversively slip them in.

For the record, yes there is merit to some of the theories of Socialism, but I would rather see my country stay true to it's Libertarian origins. I think it's good that there's a nation where people can go to pursue their ambitions unimpeded (or at least minimally impeded) by government bureaucracy. America has stood out as a beacon to the free world for this very reason.

GabonX wrote:That's another debate.I would much rather have an open and honest debate about a thing than to have politicians lie about the nature of their policies so they can subversively slip them in.

For the record, yes there is merit to some of the theories of Socialism, but I would rather see my country stay true to it's Libertarian origins. I think it's good that there's a nation where people can go to pursue their ambitions unimpeded (or at least minimally impeded) by government bureaucracy. America has stood out as a beacon to the free world for this very reason.

Ok, thank you. That will be all.




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Army of GOD wrote:
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/me ax'es into thread!

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:
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/me ax'es into thread!

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee's BigBallin!

Would you care to define exactly what you mean by Socialist, even the most conservative politician will sometimes advocate or implement policies purely for the social good.

Obama is most definately a crook.

JJM wrote:Obama is most definately a crook.

I'm sorry but I'm having trouble understanding exactly what you mean by "crook." Are you comparing him to an implement that has a bent or hooked form? Like a pothook, shephard's staff, or crosier? Or are you suggesting he's part of something that is hook-shaped, curved, or bent--like the crook of an umbrella handle? Or perhaps you mean he's a bend or a curve! Ah! A metaphor, how clever of you! So, you're saying that Obama isn't a direct or a strong leader, just a bending curved figure who doesn't have what it takes--a weak crooked backbone I presume! But surely you can't be likening him to that of a person who engages in fraudulent or criminal practices! Surely, if he has been suspected of such a thing, wouldn't there be some official investigation going on? There's a few more suspicious and perhaps almost as equally powerful members of society who should be properly investigated that also come to mind, for they surely are much more suspicious than Obama.

BigBallinStalin wrote:

JJM wrote:Obama is most definately a crook.

I'm sorry but I'm having trouble understanding exactly what you mean by "crook." Are you comparing him to an implement that has a bent or hooked form? Like a pothook, shephard's staff, or crosier? Or are you suggesting he's part of something that is hook-shaped, curved, or bent--like the crook of an umbrella handle? Or perhaps you mean he's a bend or a curve! Ah! A metaphor, how clever of you! So, you're saying that Obama isn't a direct or a strong leader, just a bending curved figure who doesn't have what it takes--a weak crooked backbone I presume! But surely you can't be likening him to that of a person who engages in fraudulent or criminal practices! Surely, if he has been suspected of such a thing, wouldn't there be some official investigation going on? There's a few more suspicious and perhaps almost as equally powerful members of society who should be properly investigated that also come to mind, for they surely are much more suspicious than Obama.

Crook as in outlaw or crony such as Nixion or Madoof.

Army of GOD wrote:
You are so God damned SURE that socialism/communism is bad?

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JJM wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:

JJM wrote:Obama is most definately a crook.

I'm sorry but I'm having trouble understanding exactly what you mean by "crook." Are you comparing him to an implement that has a bent or hooked form? Like a pothook, shephard's staff, or crosier? Or are you suggesting he's part of something that is hook-shaped, curved, or bent--like the crook of an umbrella handle? Or perhaps you mean he's a bend or a curve! Ah! A metaphor, how clever of you! So, you're saying that Obama isn't a direct or a strong leader, just a bending curved figure who doesn't have what it takes--a weak crooked backbone I presume! But surely you can't be likening him to that of a person who engages in fraudulent or criminal practices! Surely, if he has been suspected of such a thing, wouldn't there be some official investigation going on? There's a few more suspicious and perhaps almost as equally powerful members of society who should be properly investigated that also come to mind, for they surely are much more suspicious than Obama.

Crook as in outlaw or crony such as Nixion or Madoof.

According to the Urban Dictionary
Crook = Most, if not all, politicians are crooks. They like to **** us little guys in the *** and never have the common courtesy to give us a reach around.
Outlaw = An outcast/loner kid who never had any decent friends growin up, yet understands more about life than anyone else.
Croney = Shorthand for Kronenbourg beer
Nixion = Nixon = political figurehead that all of America blames their problems on, acting as if he had any real power and was deliberately making horrible decisions.
Madoof = no definition

Relative to European Politics Obama is not socialist. Relative to American Politics he is fairly socialist. But not extreme socialist.

Captain_Scarlet wrote:

JJM wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:

JJM wrote:Obama is most definately a crook.

I'm sorry but I'm having trouble understanding exactly what you mean by "crook." Are you comparing him to an implement that has a bent or hooked form? Like a pothook, shephard's staff, or crosier? Or are you suggesting he's part of something that is hook-shaped, curved, or bent--like the crook of an umbrella handle? Or perhaps you mean he's a bend or a curve! Ah! A metaphor, how clever of you! So, you're saying that Obama isn't a direct or a strong leader, just a bending curved figure who doesn't have what it takes--a weak crooked backbone I presume! But surely you can't be likening him to that of a person who engages in fraudulent or criminal practices! Surely, if he has been suspected of such a thing, wouldn't there be some official investigation going on? There's a few more suspicious and perhaps almost as equally powerful members of society who should be properly investigated that also come to mind, for they surely are much more suspicious than Obama.

Crook as in outlaw or crony such as Nixion or Madoof.

According to the Urban Dictionary
Crook = Most, if not all, politicians are crooks. They like to **** us little guys in the *** and never have the common courtesy to give us a reach around.
Outlaw = An outcast/loner kid who never had any decent friends growin up, yet understands more about life than anyone else.
Croney = Shorthand for Kronenbourg beer
Nixion = Nixon = political figurehead that all of America blames their problems on, acting as if he had any real power and was deliberately making horrible decisions.
Madoof = no definition

I disagree. About 95% of all politician that have been accused of doing something illegal were innocent.

JJM wrote:

JJM wrote:Obama is most definately a crook.

JJM wrote:I disagree. About 95% of all politician that have been accused of doing something illegal were innocent.

so your saying he isn't

So, since you accused Obama of being a crook, of doing something illegal, then chances are, he's innocent. About a 95% chance that he is.

hecter wrote:So, since you accused Obama of being a crook, of doing something illegal, then chances are, he's innocent. About a 95% chance that he is.

Most of the time they are innocent but in Obama case it is much different. I will explain it tonight. I don't feel like explaining it right now.

JJM wrote:

hecter wrote:So, since you accused Obama of being a crook, of doing something illegal, then chances are, he's innocent. About a 95% chance that he is.

Most of the time they are innocent but in Obama case it is much different. I will explain it tonight. I don't feel like explaining it right now.

We patiently await to see you prepare for your case. Hopefully, you'll have enough evidence to make this worthy enough to be sent to the Justice League's Hall of Justice for further scrutiny.

max is gr8 wrote:Relative to European Politics Obama is not socialist. Relative to American Politics he is fairly socialist. But not extreme socialist.

I'm not sure that the definition of socialism changes between countries, just the perspective (which is meant to be dropped when talking about absolute definitions).

Frigidus wrote:

max is gr8 wrote:Relative to European Politics Obama is not socialist. Relative to American Politics he is fairly socialist. But not extreme socialist.

I'm not sure that the definition of socialism changes between countries, just the perspective (which is meant to be dropped when talking about absolute definitions).

Thats exactly right, unfortunately the likes of Gabon view their personal perspective as definitive, never mind that the vast majority disagree.

Frigidus wrote:

max is gr8 wrote:Relative to European Politics Obama is not socialist. Relative to American Politics he is fairly socialist. But not extreme socialist.

I'm not sure that the definition of socialism changes between countries, just the perspective (which is meant to be dropped when talking about absolute definitions).

Thats exactly right, unfortunately the likes of Gabon view their personal perspective as definitive, never mind that the vast majority disagree.

Obama is more socialist than GabonX is probably a more accurate statement.

Army of GOD wrote:Do you think, in some way way, that a sort of socialist-democracy or a communist-capitalism can not only exist, but be relatively perfect in structure?

oh my god

why do you mental midgets insist on discussing these concepts when you have not the first fucking clue about them

max is gr8 wrote:Relative to European Politics Obama is not socialist. Relative to American Politics he is fairly socialist. But not extreme socialist.

socialist is not a synonym for "liberal" you slobbering mongoloid

WORDS MEAN THINGS YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKERS

SultanOfSurreal wrote:WORDS MEAN THINGS YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKERS

Quoted for emphasis.

BigBallinStalin wrote:

JJM wrote:

hecter wrote:So, since you accused Obama of being a crook, of doing something illegal, then chances are, he's innocent. About a 95% chance that he is.

Most of the time they are innocent but in Obama case it is much different. I will explain it tonight. I don't feel like explaining it right now.

We patiently await to see you prepare for your case. Hopefully, you'll have enough evidence to make this worthy enough to be sent to the Justice League's Hall of Justice for further scrutiny.

Meanwhile, at Legion of Doom Headquarters.........

What IS on Fox News at the moment?