"Things liberals are responsible for"

[Juan_Bottom]

There seem to be no end of threads bashing liberals. They die after 10 posts, but they never end. So I made my own. Bitter butthurt Conservatives can feel free to post here too. For purposes of conformity we will use the modern American definition of "Liberal."

–adjective
1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
2. (often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
6. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.
8. open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.

I'll start with one,

BIRTHING AMERICA

No, I'll start with 2,

ENDING SLAVERY

[Army of GOD]

Your rong Wuan.

Libarals our stoopid! Obama suxxx!

Paylin FTW!

[Phatscotty]

no comment

[jay_a2j]

There seem to be no end of threads bashing liberals. They die after 10 posts, but they never end. So I made my own. Bitter butthurt Conservatives can feel free to post here too. For purposes of conformity we will use the modern American definition of "Liberal."

–adjective
1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
2. (often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
6. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.
8. open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.

I'll start with one,

BIRTHING AMERICA

No, I'll start with 2,

ENDING SLAVERY

First of all by the definitions you posted most liberals aren't liberal.

The civil war and slavery: It was the democrat plantation owners of the south who wanted to keep slavery. It was the republicans headed by Lincoln(R) who pushed for the ending of slavery. This in itself contradicts your definitions.

Our founding fathers liberal huh? Yeah ok. You have to first acknowledge that today's definition of "liberal" is quite different from definitions of the past.


I'll continue your list with more accurate examples:


3) Political Correctness

4) Hypocrisy

5) Programs "for the poor" that ensure that they will stay that way....poor.

[Juan_Bottom]

The civil war and slavery: It was the democrat plantation owners of the south who wanted to keep slavery. It was the republicans headed by Lincoln(R) who pushed for the ending of slavery. This in itself contradicts your definitions.

Our founding fathers liberal huh? Yeah ok. You have to first acknowledge that today's definition of "liberal" is quite different from definitions of the past.

Which is why I said we are using today's definition of Liberal. If it meant the same thing back then, then they would have been called liberals. See what I mean? You may have to use the included definition to see what would be a liberal doing.

Here's another
WOMAN'S SUFFRAGE


ps the definition is from Dictionary.com under "liberal"

[bedub1]

nothing. they have caused a lot of problems but they don't ever take responsibility for their actions. Honor, Integrity, personal responsibility are things they need to learn.

[Juan_Bottom]

bedub is Glenn Becks avi?

[luns101]

Ooooh, can I play?

This is my favorite thing that liberals are responsible for:

[Juan_Bottom]

[john9blue]

I probably would have been a "liberal" at the time of the American Revolution (i.e. Whig), but that is a far cry from modern-day liberals.

[Baron Von PWN]

Are we including liberals from accross the world? or just in america?

here are some acomplishments of global liberals

Ending the cold war: would never have ended if Soviet liberals hadn't started refroms

National health care (Canada): Thanks to this all canadians have access to health care garanteed by the state and don't have to worry about being denied service due to lack of money. A service which the great majority of Canadians support.

Equal rights for Homosexuals

Secularism

[Woodruff]

I'll continue your list with more accurate examples:
3) Political Correctness

You say this as if it's a bad thing, but it isn't. In fact, as a Christian, you should wholeheartedly support political correctness. Yes, I am serious.

[pimpdave]

The civil war and slavery: It was the democrat plantation owners of the south who wanted to keep slavery. It was the republicans headed by Lincoln(R) who pushed for the ending of slavery. This in itself contradicts your definitions.

Our founding fathers liberal huh? Yeah ok. You have to first acknowledge that today's definition of "liberal" is quite different from definitions of the past.

You are dumb.

[Woodruff]

The civil war and slavery: It was the democrat plantation owners of the south who wanted to keep slavery. It was the republicans headed by Lincoln(R) who pushed for the ending of slavery. This in itself contradicts your definitions.

Our founding fathers liberal huh? Yeah ok. You have to first acknowledge that today's definition of "liberal" is quite different from definitions of the past.

You are dumb.

I like how he avoids referencing how it is actually the political parties (i.e. Republicans, etc) whose definitions have changed, rather than it being the definition of "liberals" which has not changed much at all.

[The Neon Peon]

Every element in our society was at once point caused by someone being liberal for their time period.

Let's face it, for a large portion of time, having a kingdom where women have no say in anything, and the church governs as much as the king would have been conservative. How could it have changed if there were no liberals to want social reform?

So we can just take every element of our society and say that a liberal did it at some point.

[hecter]

The civil war and slavery: It was the democrat plantation owners of the south who wanted to keep slavery. It was the republicans headed by Lincoln(R) who pushed for the ending of slavery. This in itself contradicts your definitions.

Our founding fathers liberal huh? Yeah ok. You have to first acknowledge that today's definition of "liberal" is quite different from definitions of the past.

You are dumb.

Indeed. Democrat =/= liberal. Not now, not ever. A democrat COULD also be liberal, but it's certainly not a requirement.

[Phatscotty]

Are we including liberals from accross the world? or just in america?

here are some acomplishments of global liberals

Ending the cold war: would never have ended if Soviet liberals hadn't started refroms

National health care (Canada): Thanks to this all canadians have access to health care garanteed by the state and don't have to worry about being denied service due to lack of money. A service which the great majority of Canadians support.

Equal rights for Homosexuals

Secularism

[Phatscotty]

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[Baron Von PWN]

Are we including liberals from accross the world? or just in america?

here are some acomplishments of global liberals

Ending the cold war: would never have ended if Soviet liberals hadn't started refroms

National health care (Canada): Thanks to this all canadians have access to health care garanteed by the state and don't have to worry about being denied service due to lack of money. A service which the great majority of Canadians support.

Equal rights for Homosexuals

Secularism

Satan? Is that you?

Nope. My name is Pat. Satan doesen't exist so don't worry about him.

[porkenbeans]

The civil war and slavery: It was the democrat plantation owners of the south who wanted to keep slavery. It was the republicans headed by Lincoln(R) who pushed for the ending of slavery. This in itself contradicts your definitions.

Our founding fathers liberal huh? Yeah ok. You have to first acknowledge that today's definition of "liberal" is quite different from definitions of the past.

You are dumb.

I like how he avoids referencing how it is actually the political parties (i.e. Republicans, etc) whose definitions have changed, rather than it being the definition of "liberals" which has not changed much at all.

The North did go to war to end slavery. This notion is only found in grammar school text books. The plane fact is, they wanted their hands on the excessive taxes that they were trying to force on the tobacco and cotton trade. The south felt that they were being gouged by the political powers of the North. They decided to just go ahead and succeed from the Union. It was a war that mirrored in many ways, the Revolutionary war. Only the outcome was the other way around.

Saying that the North went to war to end slavery, is just an example of how the victors get to write the history books. The fact is, The Northerners were just as bigoted and racist, as the Southerners were. They both, for the most part, felt that Negroes were a lower life form than themselves, and equated them with animals. The Union military did not even let Negroes fight in the war. Their warped sense of honor, would not let them allow a Negro to kill a white man. It was only when they were getting their butts kicked, and were close to loosing the war, that they set aside their honor, and allowed Negroes to join the battle. It was a last ditch effort, ...and one that payed off.

[jay_a2j]

The civil war and slavery: It was the democrat plantation owners of the south who wanted to keep slavery. It was the republicans headed by Lincoln(R) who pushed for the ending of slavery. This in itself contradicts your definitions.

Our founding fathers liberal huh? Yeah ok. You have to first acknowledge that today's definition of "liberal" is quite different from definitions of the past.

You are dumb.

Although liberalism is not restricted to any single party it IS predominately attached to the democrats. Hillary said she preferred being called a "modern progressive" rather than liberal. No doubt because of the negative connotations that the modern definition implies. dipdave, you should brush up on your debating skills before further posting. "You are dumb" is a 3rd grade response which shows you have nothing to say.

You say this as if it's a bad thing, but it isn't. In fact, as a Christian, you should wholeheartedly support political correctness. Yes, I am serious.

It is a bad thing. And please explain what one's faith has to do with anything?

[Phatscotty]

The civil war and slavery: It was the democrat plantation owners of the south who wanted to keep slavery. It was the republicans headed by Lincoln(R) who pushed for the ending of slavery. This in itself contradicts your definitions.

Our founding fathers liberal huh? Yeah ok. You have to first acknowledge that today's definition of "liberal" is quite different from definitions of the past.

You are dumb.

I like how he avoids referencing how it is actually the political parties (i.e. Republicans, etc) whose definitions have changed, rather than it being the definition of "liberals" which has not changed much at all.

The North did go to war to end slavery. This notion is only found in grammar school text books. The plane fact is, they wanted their hands on the excessive taxes that they were trying to force on the tobacco and cotton trade. The south felt that they were being gouged by the political powers of the North. They decided to just go ahead and succeed from the Union. It was a war that mirrored in many ways, the Revolutionary war. Only the outcome was the other way around.

Saying that the North went to war to end slavery, is just an example of how the victors get to write the history books. The fact is, The Northerners were just as bigoted and racist, as the Southerners were. They both, for the most part, felt that Negroes were a lower life form than themselves, and equated them with animals. The Union military did not even let Negroes fight in the war. Their warped sense of honor, would not let them allow a Negro to kill a white man. It was only when they were getting their butts kicked, and were close to loosing the war, that they set aside their honor, and allowed Negroes to join the battle. It was a last ditch effort, ...and one that payed off.

was with you 100% first paragraph. Then you went on a hate rampage. The simple truth is,

The sons and grandsons of the first tea-parties of the revolution went on to end slavery in the nation their own fathers and grandfathers had founded.

You can fill in ANYTHING you want between that to explain this or that. The statements stands true

[F1fth]

Well, we certainly can't act like the entire North fought out of the goodness of their heart (especially the political powers at the time, who had a lot to gain), but there definitely were those people out there fighting for equality. Some people really held onto that whole "...all men are created equal" bit, though I do agree we see history through a rose-colored lens.

The North did go to war to end slavery. This notion is only found in grammar school text books. The plane fact is, they wanted their hands on the excessive taxes that they were trying to force on the tobacco and cotton trade. The south felt that they were being gouged by the political powers of the North. They decided to just go ahead and succeed from the Union. It was a war that mirrored in many ways, the Revolutionary war. Only the outcome was the other way around.

I guess I remember things differently. I thought they failed.

(that was a terrible joke, I'm sorry)

[AAFitz]

The North did go to war to end slavery. This notion is only found in grammar school text books. The plane fact is, they wanted their hands on the excessive taxes that they were trying to force on the tobacco and cotton trade. The south felt that they were being gouged by the political powers of the North. They decided to just go ahead and succeed from the Union. It was a war that mirrored in many ways, the Revolutionary war. Only the outcome was the other way around.

Saying that the North went to war to end slavery, is just an example of how the victors get to write the history books. The fact is, The Northerners were just as bigoted and racist, as the Southerners were. They both, for the most part, felt that Negroes were a lower life form than themselves, and equated them with animals. The Union military did not even let Negroes fight in the war. Their warped sense of honor, would not let them allow a Negro to kill a white man. It was only when they were getting their butts kicked, and were close to loosing the war, that they set aside their honor, and allowed Negroes to join the battle. It was a last ditch effort, ...and one that payed off.

[Woodruff]

You say this as if it's a bad thing, but it isn't. In fact, as a Christian, you should wholeheartedly support political correctness. Yes, I am serious.

It is a bad thing. And please explain what one's faith has to do with anything?

Political correction is wholeheartedly about treating people with respect. Treating people with respect is not a bad thing, and I am very confused why a Christian would believe that it is. As to what your faith has to do with that, I will simply fall back to your standard answer and suggest that you read a bit of the Bible to understand it.

You clearly have a very warped view of what political correctness is if you believe it is a bad thing. What you seem to be ignoring is that ANYTHING CAN be a bad thing, when misused. And political correctness does occasionally get misused (though not nearly as commonly as most people seem to stupidly believe). But political correctness itself is a very good thing.