D3 of The Reid technique Mafia Game

[hjelp]

@ Loose Canon
According to Poems - Lecter is a former Cop/FBI

Lecter entered after that Charle was cleared by EW. But Charle can't be Mafia but you can be Mafia. I think you're Mafia Cop or 3P. That's why you have been focused on finding 3P. Because you're Mafia or hiding that you are 3P.

[Devante]

@Loose, yes, I would've probably done the exact same thing as you, but you have to admit that it's very convenient that you checked Devon the night he'd come up innocent. In hindsight at least.

@hjelp, the "no result" means that Charle was prohibited from carrying out his investigation. It could mean that he was blocked by someone with malicious intentions, or that he was protected by someone effectively jailing him. The latter could also explain why there was only one death N2, which I think is very important.

If no one protected (by jailing) Charle, we can infer that hjelp was targeted by the poisoner N2 (unless I've overlooked something, which happens, especially in Son!c games). If someone jailed Charle, it might be that Charle was targeted by the poisoner. Answering that question won't lead to the poisoner, but it helps clearing town people, and if we can get a base of 3-4 cleared townsfolk, we can just starve out scum.

@Devante, what did you do last night?

I could not do anything last night as my role was not activated yet. But I did receive some info hence I am trying to avoid a lynch and get some discussion going.

So far we have I believe regarding claims, and correct me if I'm wrong:

Charle stating town cop
Loose stating town cop
Darin claiming to be town doc as no one else is claiming to also be doc

Halrob no role claimed but is pointed out as town by Charle, if his claim is true
Ragian no claim but points to either town/3P given play
Hjelp no role claimed alliance unknown but indicates lean town/3P - saw a note on analyst but can't find the claim post if someone could clear that up please

I myself am Town just waiting on my role to be activated

So right now we have two cop claims so something is a miss there but I do have info that there are multiple forms of the same role in play although not stating if that is necessarily the cop role. I personally do not believe they are both cops. We also have 3 individuals who have not stated their roles; Ragian, Halrob and Hjelp. At this point in the game I think we follow EW's advice and roles should be claimed. Would help piece out what's left and the info I have may become relevant.

Also find it odd that we just took Darins claim as true but if there is no other Doc amongst the unclaimed roles then I guess we only have the one doc in play. But it raises the question why did he vote for hjelp then protect him N2

hjelp unvote, again it is early in D3 don't leave room for a hammer vote

[Loose Canon]

Has anyone else when trying to browse this forum noticed that Max is posting in other forums?
Seems suspicious to me!
unvote no lynch
vote Max

On a serious note, I know 2nd cop is suspicious.
Where is the actual proof I am not town?
Whether I've played badly or not is another matter, I have had town purpose in posting and doing what I've done when I have in this game. I always do that as town.

D3 I'm perhaps a town lightning rod that might attract real Mafia and/or real 3P

Don't you think loading up town with powers in the knowledge that 2 cops will likely go at each other and that's a crack that real Lecter will be able to exploit to turn the game away from town is not within the ingenuity of a Sonic game set up?
I do because that's what's happening - and Sonic has said so.

As for Lecter being ex FBI doesn't mean town cop is Lecter at all - I'd argue the opposite - it's indicative that Lecter knows how to manipulate cops and so actually evidences my innocence if anything.
Lecter's MO in Silence of the lambs was feeding Clarice some information or help but ultimately serving his own purpose - from what I remember.

Lecter wants a townie mislynched D3 and I'm the prime candidate/cut of meat as far as Lecter is concerned right now.

I advocate looking more into the more exotic or can't claims for where the real Lecter is.

In the famous words of Mario Balotelli (yes I know his name sounds mafia)
"Why always me?"

[hjelp]

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Hjelp no role claimed alliance unknown but indicates lean town/3P - saw a note on analyst but can't find the claim post if someone could clear that up please

I'm a Sleepwalker and added to that Town Surveillance Analyst

The condition is that a Town investigator has to survive the night and be alive to file the report.

I get a report after each night from a town investigator if it's a hit on scum, also if it's Godfather or the report is somehow manipulated. It doesn't matter what the report reads - so IF the investigator actually visited (successfull target) scum then I get the true analyst result Mafia.
It's an anonymous report so I don't know wich investigator filed it.
IF the investigator is roleblocked or end up elsewhere than the target, will end up in no report.

One time action during the game is to examin a killed investigator's (only Cop/Tracker) report and thereby find out the investigator's result.

N1. No result
N2. No result

[hjelp]

@ Loose Canon and Charle

Ok I'll claim town cop.

Night 1 investigated Devon - innocent
Night 2 investigated Extreme - innocent

With EW's vote I am probably on L-2. So let me claim before i got hammered.

I am the Town Cop, hence my suspicion on Devon as there seems to be a lot of investigating roles claimed. N1 i investigated Halrob and the verdict came back his is Town. I hoped that I could do it another night, but I guess I am now on the chopping block. If doc can save me, let's hope Mafia do not have blockers. I think it is best for town that I revealed this, before I got hammered.

Good morning!! My result was "No Result", so either mafia have a blocker, or town has a jail keeper that wanted to save me? My guess is that there is a 3P and 1 Mafia left? There was only 1 kill last night, so my guess is that 3P killed EW and Mafia could either kill or block me and chose the latter. If we can lynch 3P today, then it should be easy. Following EW's advise, today everybody should claim their roles.

[hjelp]

If townies want me to call for kongming3's report then I can do so. But I don't know if I will get an answer D3 or D4. I have waited to use the option to call for a killed investigator's report but since there's only one mafia left it might help us to find out who the Mafia was that ambushed kongming3, if we are lucky.

[hjelp]

N1

kongming3's report was never filed sinced kongming3 wasn't alive D2.
Charle's report coincides with mine - "no report" since no hit scum.
Loose Canon's report doesn't coincide with mine - "no report" - since hit scum then my report would have been different than "no report".
But it could be the case that I got Charle's report.

N2

Charle's report coincides with mine - "no report" since Charle was roleblocked.
Loose Canon's report coincides with mine - "no report" since no hit scum.

[Loose Canon]

Ok it doesn't clear me, but it doesn't incriminate me either.
Which it can't because I am a town cop

And the "which investigator" does support more than 1 investigator, so maybe it helps to steer against my mislynch overall?

[Ragian]

I think Devante is the obvious lynch at this point. He can't claim, he says there's no real issue with him being lynched, and he wants (as far as I can tell) everybody else to claim.

Why has no cop checked Devante? That seems really odd to me...

Also, I'm weary of any investigation results right now. We don't know if they're tampered with or otherwise faulty given the nature of this game. Moreover, there seems to be a lot of factors in an investigation with wardens and analysts...

@hjelp, Loose didn't "hit scum" N1. A godfather comes up as town upon investigation.

[halrob64]

I have to say that Devante is the mystery to me, can't make a full claim, not yet fully in play so the role is a sleeper style role? If its a town role it does not seem to be any help to town unless he has the ability to block a killing or revive a dead body.
I'm don't like the way Loose waited to claimed but claim he did, I think I get the reason why it was delayed to D3. it was straight forward and at least we are able to debate it.
He has pushed to find 3P from day one, he maybe 3p, whoever it is, is playing a good game.
The other problem is, spinning a role is not difficult, look at the splurge that Devon put out regarding a cop style role. Thats the reason I backed off the vote to lynch at the time, although it was carried out quite rightly.
So at the moment I really am not sure

[hjelp]

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@hjelp, Loose didn't "hit scum" N1. A godfather comes up as town upon investigation.

I get the report accurate even if it's the Godfather, that is - if a scum hit then I will receive report Mafia. It is true analyst input. Not the outcome wording.

N1

I receive Charle's - No result.
or
I receive Loose Canon's - Mafia.

It turned out that I received - No result. It means that I got Charle's report or that Loose Canon's claim is false.

[halrob64]

I am still comfortable pushing for a Loose lynch if jhelp's post is accurate then it does point to Loose bluffing on town cop.
Charle did indentify me as town, so either he did visit me, or took a gamble on calling me as town.
EW did claim Charle had visited me which gives more credence to Charle.
I think Loose is the Lord of Chaos and 3P so I'm going to revote Loose unless someone has a very good reason for me not to?

[Charle]

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Hjelp no role claimed alliance unknown but indicates lean town/3P - saw a note on analyst but can't find the claim post if someone could clear that up please

I'm a Sleepwalker and added to that Town Surveillance Analyst

The condition is that a Town investigator has to survive the night and be alive to file the report.

I get a report after each night from a town investigator if it's a hit on scum, also if it's Godfather or the report is somehow manipulated. It doesn't matter what the report reads - so IF the investigator actually visited (successfull target) scum then I get the true analyst result Mafia.
It's an anonymous report so I don't know wich investigator filed it.
IF the investigator is roleblocked or end up elsewhere than the target, will end up in no report.

One time action during the game is to examin a killed investigator's (only Cop/Tracker) report and thereby find out the investigator's result.

N1. No result
N2. No result

This is actually telling us a lot. If Loose claim was not false, and he investigated Devon (Mafia Godfather), even if it is Godfather, he would have received a Mafia result at N1.

Loose is a good player, but I guess you are now in a corner buddy!!

FP'd by Rob

[halrob64]

Vote Loose
Its up to everyone else now, I don't see another option

[halrob64]

I'm leaning towards Loose being the Shooter and the doc as 3p as the doc has access to poison, just a thought

[SoN!c]

Official vote count:

Loose Canon: (3) Charle, Hjelp, Halrob

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch!

Loose Canon is at L-1

[Loose Canon]

Yep my position in the game sure is hanging by a thread.

About to be drawn quartered and served up on a plate to Lecter I fear.

[Loose Canon]

It's not the case that town Hjelp would have received a mafia report N1 Charle.

It's actually not necessarily the case that Hjelp is who he says he is either.

[Loose Canon]

Equally those voting me should at least have a theory on how Devante can be town.

Not saying town can't win if you mislynch me, just that such a mislynch makes it a lot harder.
Flipside is I don't feel I've been a massive help to town so far.

[Ragian]

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@hjelp, Loose didn't "hit scum" N1. A godfather comes up as town upon investigation.

I get the report accurate even if it's the Godfather, that is - if a scum hit then I will receive report Mafia. It is true analyst input. Not the outcome wording.

N1

I receive Charle's - No result.
or
I receive Loose Canon's - Mafia.

It turned out that I received - No result. It means that I got Charle's report or that Loose Canon's claim is false.

This, I feel, is VERY important. I haven't read the rest of the thread, and I will before submitting. Do you know whose report you have? Can you only have one report?

What Charle writes, however, is not true. Loose would not have gotten a mafia result on Devon N1. Why would you write that?

[Ragian]

Oi! You fuckers are doing it again! We have no deadline set yet, and you're still eager to lynch despite some of us having loads of questions still.

No one has even thought about Devante after the Loose thing. Only Halrob cared to mention him and then went on to vote Loose. That's just not good enough, people. We should be doing this right rather than quickly. Haven't your sexual partners taught you anything?

[Ragian]

@Charle, you have one thing going for you right now, and that is EW's corroboration. However, I'm not fond of your gameplay right now. I know you to be much more thought through than this.

The only good thing that can come of a quick lynch (unless, of course, Loose is in fact scum, which I'm certainly not discounting) is that it's easier for town tomorrow to look at voting patterns. Who didn't vote for Devon but is on the Loose train? Who was keen to vote both. I bet you we'll find the last scum and our 3rd party there respectively.

[Loose Canon]

Rag makes decent points.

If you are going to lynch me, I sorta accept that I've got that albeit undeservedly coming to me.

Plenty of time to try to survey full picture D3 first though

[hjelp]

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@hjelp, Loose didn't "hit scum" N1. A godfather comes up as town upon investigation.

I get the report accurate even if it's the Godfather, that is - if a scum hit then I will receive report Mafia. It is true analyst input. Not the outcome wording.

N1

I receive Charle's - No result.
or
I receive Loose Canon's - Mafia.

It turned out that I received - No result. It means that I got Charle's report or that Loose Canon's claim is false.

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Do you know whose report you have? Can you only have one report?

What Charle writes, however, is not true. Loose would not have gotten a mafia result on Devon N1. Why would you write that?

I get one report after each night. The report is anonymous so I don't know if it's Charle's or Loose Canon's. Loose Canon couldn't get a hit on Devon since Devon was odd Godfather, i.e. N1. That's why I'm saying

I get the report accurate even if it's the Godfather, that is - if a scum hit then I will receive report Mafia. It is true analyst input. Not the outcome wording.

N1

I receive Charle's - No result.
or
I receive Loose Canon's - Mafia.

It turned out that I received - No result. It means that I got Charle's report or that Loose Canon's claim is false.

[halrob64]

by Ragian » Fri Nov 21, 2025 9:38 am

hjelp wrote: Fri Nov 21, 2025 5:44 am
Ragian wrote: Fri Nov 21, 2025 1:52 am
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@hjelp, Loose didn't "hit scum" N1. A godfather comes up as town upon investigation.
I get the report accurate even if it's the Godfather, that is - if a scum hit then I will receive report Mafia. It is true analyst input. Not the outcome wording.

N1

I receive Charle's - No result.
or
I receive Loose Canon's - Mafia.

It turned out that I received - No result. It means that I got Charle's report or that Loose Canon's claim is false.
This, I feel, is VERY important. I haven't read the rest of the thread, and I will before submitting. Do you know whose report you have? Can you only have one report?

What Charle writes, however, is not true. Loose would not have gotten a mafia result on Devon N1. Why would you write that?

So why is it not true what Charles writes Ragian?