Conquer Club

macbone wrote:Surely he can't lose, though, can he? Still, that looks great. =)

He can, hence why it has been banned and denounced in North Korea.

muy_thaiguy wrote:

macbone wrote:Surely he can't lose, though, can he? Still, that looks great. =)

He can, hence why it has been banned and denounced in North Korea.

Yeah it's also the reason I don't want to pick it up, it's no fun playing a game where you can lose. What's the point with that?

BigBallinStalin wrote:

TheProwler wrote:

DiM wrote:

TheProwler wrote:Good thing for guys like you who buy them when they're new so the game developers make their money. If everyone were as cheap as me,the industry would fall apart.

actually, i torrent all my games/music/movies/books/software.

Well, I obviously take back what I said. I stopped pirating games software about 25 years ago.

Just because you can steal and get away with it, doesn't mean you should do it...

Cyber content is different; it's non-rivalrous. Once I download it, it's not like yours no longer exists. Instead, we get two--as oppose to theft which results in one.

I haven't been a big fan of intellectual property rights--specifically patents. I view movies, music, and games as all 'try before you buy', and if I really like it, I'll send a check or see them live or what not. Cuts out the unnecessary middlemen.

You're just justifying your theft, in my opinion. If something isn't released as "try before you buy", then the owners didn't want you to have that opportunity. Digital content is easy to copy, so it is easy to steal.

In the big picture, the people producing the movie/software/music are doing it (at least in part) to make money. If they don't make enough money, they'll stop producing it.

Just my opinion, but I think you're a thief.

Gillipig wrote:

TheProwler wrote:

DiM wrote:

TheProwler wrote:Good thing for guys like you who buy them when they're new so the game developers make their money. If everyone were as cheap as me,the industry would fall apart.

actually, i torrent all my games/music/movies/books/software.

Well, I obviously take back what I said. I stopped pirating games software about 25 years ago.

Just because you can steal and get away with it, doesn't mean you should do it...

You stopped illegal downloads before the internet went mainstream? One word comes to mind

Bollocks.

Yeah...I started developing software professionally in 1992...I gave up pirating a number of years before that. Pirating used to be discouraged in the software development community, so it was a choice I made to help me professionally. I just happen to agree with it now that I'm a little older and wiser.

I started pirating software in the early 1980's (on an Atari 8-bit machine with a 300 baud modem and an exterior 5.25" floppy drive). Most pirating was done on BBS's or in person in those days.

TheProwler wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:

TheProwler wrote:

DiM wrote:

TheProwler wrote:Good thing for guys like you who buy them when they're new so the game developers make their money. If everyone were as cheap as me,the industry would fall apart.

actually, i torrent all my games/music/movies/books/software.

Well, I obviously take back what I said. I stopped pirating games software about 25 years ago.

Just because you can steal and get away with it, doesn't mean you should do it...

Cyber content is different; it's non-rivalrous. Once I download it, it's not like yours no longer exists. Instead, we get two--as oppose to theft which results in one.

I haven't been a big fan of intellectual property rights--specifically patents. I view movies, music, and games as all 'try before you buy', and if I really like it, I'll send a check or see them live or what not. Cuts out the unnecessary middlemen.

You're just justifying your theft, in my opinion. If something isn't released as "try before you buy", then the owners didn't want you to have that opportunity. Digital content is easy to copy, so it is easy to steal.

In the big picture, the people producing the movie/software/music are doing it (at least in part) to make money. If they don't make enough money, they'll stop producing it.

Just my opinion, but I think you're a thief.

What's the difference in owning a cd and giving away the contents and owning a car and giving rides to people?

Are you saying I don't own the music on the cd?

-TG

Simple Ansewr: You own the disk, the content on the disk is copyrighted and owned by another person. And distributing it without their consent is technically illegal.

TheProwler wrote:

Gillipig wrote:

TheProwler wrote:

DiM wrote:

TheProwler wrote:Good thing for guys like you who buy them when they're new so the game developers make their money. If everyone were as cheap as me,the industry would fall apart.

actually, i torrent all my games/music/movies/books/software.

Well, I obviously take back what I said. I stopped pirating games software about 25 years ago.

Just because you can steal and get away with it, doesn't mean you should do it...

You stopped illegal downloads before the internet went mainstream? One word comes to mind

Bollocks.

Yeah...I started developing software professionally in 1992...I gave up pirating a number of years before that. Pirating used to be discouraged in the software development community, so it was a choice I made to help me professionally. I just happen to agree with it now that I'm a little older and wiser.

I started pirating software in the early 1980's (on an Atari 8-bit machine with a 300 baud modem and an exterior 5.25" floppy drive). Most pirating was done on BBS's or in person in those days.

Okay grandpa.

muy_thaiguy wrote:Simple Ansewr: You own the disk, the content on the disk is copyrighted and owned by another person. And distributing it without their consent is technically illegal.

So I don't own the engine in my car?

-TG

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:Simple Ansewr: You own the disk, the content on the disk is copyrighted and owned by another person. And distributing it without their consent is technically illegal.

So I don't own the engine in my car?

-TG

Apples meet oranges.

muy_thaiguy wrote:

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:Simple Ansewr: You own the disk, the content on the disk is copyrighted and owned by another person. And distributing it without their consent is technically illegal.

So I don't own the engine in my car?

-TG

Apples meet oranges.

Not really. I purchase a product that does not require manufacture maintenance (like Xbox live or something), I expect that I own it and everything within it, and may do as I please with it.

-TG

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:What's the difference in owning a cd and giving away the contents and owning a car and giving rides to people?

Are you saying I don't own the music on the cd?

-TG

You're kidding, right?

Gillipig wrote:

TheProwler wrote:Yeah...I started developing software professionally in 1992...I gave up pirating a number of years before that. Pirating used to be discouraged in the software development community, so it was a choice I made to help me professionally. I just happen to agree with it now that I'm a little older and wiser.

I started pirating software in the early 1980's (on an Atari 8-bit machine with a 300 baud modem and an exterior 5.25" floppy drive). Most pirating was done on BBS's or in person in those days.

Okay grandpa.

Thankfully, I don't have children. But it's been a pleasure enlightening the young and naive.

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:Simple Ansewr: You own the disk, the content on the disk is copyrighted and owned by another person. And distributing it without their consent is technically illegal.

So I don't own the engine in my car?

-TG

You own the engine = You own the CD

You do not own the design of the engine = You do not own the music

Go back to talking about games. Serious discussion can go in the topics PS designates.


--Andy

I've enjoyed playing Towncraft. No PC version yet, but it's available for iPhone, iPad, and Mac.



Once the shop and tavern are up and running, I find myself running around too much, trying to make items to sell in the shops, so it's a good idea to stock up on wine and other items before you open for business. Some of the stuff is a bit quirky, though - if you plant a pizza in the ground, you get pizza trees. =) It saves time making food for the tavern, though.

TheProwler wrote:

Gillipig wrote:

TheProwler wrote:Yeah...I started developing software professionally in 1992...I gave up pirating a number of years before that. Pirating used to be discouraged in the software development community, so it was a choice I made to help me professionally. I just happen to agree with it now that I'm a little older and wiser.

I started pirating software in the early 1980's (on an Atari 8-bit machine with a 300 baud modem and an exterior 5.25" floppy drive). Most pirating was done on BBS's or in person in those days.

Okay grandpa.

Thankfully, I don't have children. But it's been a pleasure enlightening the young and naive.

I'm happy that your genes were not spread to the next generation.

TheProwler wrote:

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:Simple Ansewr: You own the disk, the content on the disk is copyrighted and owned by another person. And distributing it without their consent is technically illegal.

So I don't own the engine in my car?

-TG

You own the engine = You own the CD

You do not own the design of the engine = You do not own the music

So I can't make after-market modifications to my engine? Gee, that sucks.

-TG

The new Wolfenstein game sounds like a game I might pick up in the future, re: this Polygon review: http://www.polygon.com/2014/5/20/571879 ... der-review

I played the original classic one quite a lot, and enjoyed the early Dooms too, but I've steered clear of the later versions of Wolfenstein since they didn't look that appealing. But this one might bring me back in.


--Andy

Gillipig wrote:

TheProwler wrote:

Gillipig wrote:

TheProwler wrote:Yeah...I started developing software professionally in 1992...I gave up pirating a number of years before that. Pirating used to be discouraged in the software development community, so it was a choice I made to help me professionally. I just happen to agree with it now that I'm a little older and wiser.

I started pirating software in the early 1980's (on an Atari 8-bit machine with a 300 baud modem and an exterior 5.25" floppy drive). Most pirating was done on BBS's or in person in those days.

Okay grandpa.

Thankfully, I don't have children. But it's been a pleasure enlightening the young and naive.

I'm happy that your genes were not spread to the next generation.

Hahaha!!

Thanks for caring. Humanity will just have to suffer without the participation of my bloodline.

Maybe someday theft will be morally acceptable for everyone and you won't have to be an insulting douche bag just because someone disagrees with your unethical behaviour.

AndyDufresne wrote:The new Wolfenstein game sounds like a game I might pick up in the future, re: this Polygon review: http://www.polygon.com/2014/5/20/571879 ... der-review

I played the original classic one quite a lot, and enjoyed the early Dooms too, but I've steered clear of the later versions of Wolfenstein since they didn't look that appealing. But this one might bring me back in.


--Andy

Hey, If I see a game like Wolfenstein that I am really unsure will be a great game or a flop game I usually watch people play some of it on http://www.twitch.tv -- That is a great way to see actual gameplay and easy to see if you will enjoy it or not

heres a link to all the people currently streaming wolfenstein
http://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Wol ... ew%20Order


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TA1LGUNN3R wrote:

TheProwler wrote:

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:Simple Ansewr: You own the disk, the content on the disk is copyrighted and owned by another person. And distributing it without their consent is technically illegal.

So I don't own the engine in my car?

-TG

You own the engine = You own the CD

You do not own the design of the engine = You do not own the music

So I can't make after-market modifications to my engine? Gee, that sucks.

-TG

Do you really think that making aftermarket modifications to an engine is the same as duplicating the design of the engine and manufacturing more engines based on that design?

MoB Deadly wrote:Hey, If I see a game like Wolfenstein that I am really unsure will be a great game or a flop game I usually watch people play some of it on http://www.twitch.tv -- That is a great way to see actual gameplay and easy to see if you will enjoy it or not

heres a link to all the people currently streaming wolfenstein
http://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Wol ... ew%20Order


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Sometimes I watch reviews on YouTube in addition to reading reviews of games. It's worth spending a few minutes researching a game to try to get a good idea of whether or not you'll like it..

Definitely. For lots of games, I'll look at Let's Plays on youtube to get a sense of things if I don't immediately know I will enjoy it.

The most modern FPS I've played is Doom 3 I think for the most part. I played a little Left For Dead 2, and maybe something else. But It is a genre that I generally became less interested in as I found other genres that piqued my interest.


--Andy

TheProwler wrote:

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:

TheProwler wrote:

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:Simple Ansewr: You own the disk, the content on the disk is copyrighted and owned by another person. And distributing it without their consent is technically illegal.

So I don't own the engine in my car?

-TG

You own the engine = You own the CD

You do not own the design of the engine = You do not own the music

So I can't make after-market modifications to my engine? Gee, that sucks.

-TG

Do you really think that making aftermarket modifications to an engine is the same as duplicating the design of the engine and manufacturing more engines based on that design?

So your assertion is that downloading or copying music is theft as it's, what, denying money from the artist? So we can infer that the trade of copyrighted material is theft?

What's your stance on pawn shops and used record stores? Should we shut them down for theft? The artist sees not a dime from the sale of used records/cds, ergo in your definition it is theft.

And sure, if I had the know-how and the machining equipment, I would totally manufacture more engines and sell them. Isn't this pretty much how off-brands make money? I can go to the store and buy a Microsoft xbox controller for $50, or I can buy the cheaper no-name version for $20. Should we charge mechanic shops with theft because they're buying burnt out engines and rebuilding them for a profit, or the game controller manufacturers for ripping off a design?

3d printers are gonna be a nightmare for you, aren't they?

-TG

TheProwler wrote:

DiM wrote:

TheProwler wrote:Good thing for guys like you who buy them when they're new so the game developers make their money. If everyone were as cheap as me,the industry would fall apart.

actually, i torrent all my games/music/movies/books/software.

Well, I obviously take back what I said. I stopped pirating games software about 25 years ago.

Just because you can steal and get away with it, doesn't mean you should do it...

i'm not defending piracy but a huge part of the world would not be able to use any software if it weren't for torrents.

if a game in usa costs 60USD then in my country that is automatically transformed into 60EUR plus whatever the retailer ads to get his share. to pay 60eur or more for a new game is insane, considering last month the average salary in my country was 362eur.
who in the right mind would pay more than a 6th of his salary to get a game?

imagine a kid asking his parents for that kind of money. "hey, mom, dad, let's not eat for 10 days cause i want to play the new call of duty."

of course this does not justify piracy. in theory if you can't afford it, then you don't buy it and that's it.
but what if everybody around you is pirating and listening to the newest music, seeing the latest movies and playing all the cool games? could you resist the temptation knowing nothing will happen to you? heck, piracy is so widespread that even big companies have pirated software on their computers and nobody gives a damn.

if prices were made differently for each country as a percentage of the average salary, and if laws against piracy were really applied, then i'd surely pay for original games. of course i'd play a lot less than i do now.

PS: photoshop cs6 is ~840 EUR. so if you have an average salary you'd have to pay 2 and a half months' wage for this software.