Baltic Crusades

[ender516]

Why would you assume that cities and towns are not part of the bonuses, especially when the legend specifically excludes the castles, but does not exclude the cities and towns?

[thenobodies80]

Ok, sorry for my absence but work is keeping me really busy.
Finally I had a bit of time to work on the map and produce an updated version.

This is what I did:
I changed the color accordingly your suggestions, now the colors are easier to distinguish.
Lighter map.
Added to the legend that cities and hanseatic are part of land bonus (althought I don't get why people continue to assume things that are not written )

Instead I have not added a frame to the right legend, in this case is just matter of personal taste and personally I removed the frame on this side because I like the map more as it is now.

@Ender516, to fit the additional text for cities and hanseatic part of land bonuses I had to enlarge the top left legend and so move gotland/visby and the connection of trade route. You have to move the coords for these two territories (gotland and visby) to reflect the updated version of the map.

Here below the latest large and small images, version 6.0.2 :

Large Version
[bigimg]http://wcforums.org/foundry/BalticCrusades/baltic6.0.2.png[/bigimg]
Small Version


Nobodies

[ender516]

You caught me on a good night -- I had time to make this change (Gotland and Visby moved):

Baltic_Crusades_1.20.xml

[ZeekLTK]

Bonuses seem to be broken. In a current game I have:

18 territories (6)
Gotland (1)
Visby + ship + Koningsberg (2)
3 castles (1)
all green territories (3+2...+6?)

So I should be getting 15-21 armies per turn (don't understand what the green 6 means) but instead I am only listed to get 14...

[ZeekLTK]

Edit: hmmmm, read above, didn't know you had to have towns for bonus, so guess I don't have all green.

Still, it's not clear what the 6 means, 6+2+3 or 6 instead of 2+3...

[iancanton]

the castle bonuses are +3 autodeploy, which means +3 is added to each castle and the extra troops are not available for u to place. holding all dark green and light green regions together (including the towns and hanseatic cities within the green regions) gives +6 in total. it sounds as if u ought to have +15 listed as the bonus, but i can't see exactly the regions u're holding because u're in a foggy game.

ian.

[thenobodies80]

Edit: hmmmm, read above, didn't know you had to have towns for bonus, so guess I don't have all green.

Still, it's not clear what the 6 means, 6+2+3 or 6 instead of 2+3...

It's written --> (All bonus areas). It means that if you hold both (light+dark green) you receive 6, as iancanton said.
Don't tell me you thought to receive 11 for holding those regions.

[ender516]

It means 6 instead of 2+3.

[thenobodies80]

New files have been sent!

Nobodies

[Dukasaur]

Something seems to have happened. Suddenly the troop numbers for Visby and Gotland are no longer within their designated circles.

[ender516]

Looks like they uploaded the new images without the new XML. Here is my post from the previous page.

You caught me on a good night -- I had time to make this change (Gotland and Visby moved):

Baltic_Crusades_1.20.xml

[thenobodies80]

I have sent all files....:S
I've checked all new maps uploaded files but, as an idiot, i forgot to double check the ones of our map! lol

However the issue will be fixed soon.
Nobodies

[deantursx]

I just wanted to say that I'm a huge fan of this map! Very fun for 1v1

[Doc_Brown]

I just started my first game on this map. This may be a BOB issue, but it looks like the East Prussia and Teutonic Order bonuses are switched. Using BOB, when I try to highlight the East Prussia bonus territories, it shows Samland, Nadruvia, Sudovia, etc... For Teutonic Order, it highlights Prussia, Ermland, etc...

[ender516]

I think the real problem is the legend. East Prussia is the northeastern part of the Order State, while the Teutonic Order occupies the southwest, just as BOB is telling you. We just need to swap the colours of the little green shields.

[Doc_Brown]

I think the real problem is the legend. East Prussia is the northeastern part of the Order State, while the Teutonic Order occupies the southwest, just as BOB is telling you. We just need to swap the colours of the little green shields.

Got it. Thanks.

[thenobodies80]

I'll swap the shields in the legend. It makes more sense.

[DoomYoshi]

(althought I don't get why people continue to assume things that are not written )

It's because usually all territories in the region are colored the same. The towns are all colored the same, no matter what region they are in.

[thenobodies80]

Yes, usually. But it's not a rule. Nothing says you need to use colors to define bonus group.
And shape matters too in this case...anyway I think it's pretty clear now.

[tkr4lf]

Yes, usually. But it's not a rule. Nothing says you need to use colors to define bonus group.
And shape matters too in this case...anyway I think it's pretty clear now.

I agree. It's quite clear. You just have to read the legend.


I have to say again, tnb, this is an amazing map. Pretty much my new favorite. You did an awesome job with this. Can't wait to see it quenched so it can be used in clan wars!

[thenobodies80]

Thanks, but must be said that I was mostly just the hand.
I saw the potential into it and I decided to not leave this map die, this is the only merit I have and I want to have.

The real appreciations should go to thebastard, he is the mind behind the map. Unfortunately he left the site long time ago. And obviously also to ender516, who has not only written the xml, but also contributed in large part to the refinement of gameplay and the discussion of this map.

However thanks, I'm really happy that there's so much people who loves the map.

Nobodies

[ender516]

Thanks, tnb. I, too, did not want to see this map fail, so I put more into the gameplay analysis and discussion here than I think I ever have on other maps, but without you polishing the graphics, we would not be looking at this map at all.

It's a shame theBastard left us, but between his hand injury limiting his artwork and his growing frustration with the pace of the foundry, I think I understand.

[betiko]

Game 12432634

I hold east prussia bonus (3) and BOB says I hold the teutonic order bonus (2), the one next to it. East prussia has definitely more territories so it seems logical that it's worth more.
Just took the bonus so don't know if it's a BOB problem or a map problem and what bonus I will actually receive next go in the game log (if i hold it of course...)

humm... did I mentioned it's a fog game and that i probably shouldn't tell this publicly yet? lol

[thenobodies80]

East Prussia is the bonus that has sudovia into it and gives you +3. I have to swap the shields into the legend.
Btw this topic belongs to the foundry, can a mod move it there?
Thanks

[betiko]

East Prussia is the bonus that has sudovia into it and gives you +3. I have to swap the shields into the legend.
Btw this topic belongs to the foundry, can a mod move it there?
Thanks

ok so you need 3 spots to hold both of them: why the hell the bonus that needs 3 cities + 1castle is worth less than the other one that requires 2 cities+1 castle? you need to kill more neutrals to get it.