The Tick Mafia - JUSTICE PREVAILS!

[TrafalgarLaw01]

I believe we have another protective role, like nurse or bodyguard, so I don't think the theory that charle saved someone. I have never heard of that, but I have barely experience on mafia online, or mafia cannot kill more than once every night. But seem I have missed a lot of the things commented today.

[Extreme Ways]

I believe we have another protective role, like nurse or bodyguard, so I don't think the theory that charle saved someone. I have never heard of that, but I have barely experience on mafia online, or mafia cannot kill more than once every night. But seem I have missed a lot of the things commented today.

You can... skip most of my back-and-forth with Sonic. Sonic still thinks I am scum and I have 2 votes on me, I still trust sonic.

I also dont think another protective role is unreasonable but that would come with a significantly powerful mafia role as well, I think.

[DirtyDishSoap]

My only confirmed townies has been Max and Ragian (n1, n2). I'm thinking i got targeted but missed n1, which lead to only one death.

Before anyone asks, i chose Max off of activity and least likely to die, and not to confirm town.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

My only confirmed townies has been Max and Ragian (n1, n2). I'm thinking i got targeted but missed n1, which lead to only one death.

Before anyone asks, i chose Max off of activity and least likely to die, and not to confirm town.

That also makes much more sense than Charle succesfully protecting someone N1

[SoN!c]

I believe Pixar's claim. I don't think I believe strike's claim.

I followed the posts starting last page to see Pixar's reasoning. First he asks if Doc's protection worked on N1 even tho Doc died. Extreme answered yes. Then Pixar votes strike and backs it by going public with the tracker claim. He says he tracked strike N1 and Ragian N2. Says he saw strike visit Sonic.

Now, only 1 person died N1. 3 people including 2 towns died N2. That means it's very likely scum can get more than 1 kill per night. I don't buy that Loose necessarily has to have been a vigilante kill. So if scum can do multiple kills, why did only 1 person die N1? One answer, and the one that I think Pixar is onto, is that Doc saved them. Ok, why would Doc use a save on Sonic? Go back to D1 posts, we see Doc Charle agreeing with Sonic and even thinking he's cop:

Reading through all of this over and over and in short I tend to agree with Sonic (who I think is cop anyway) ... it seems that Loose is defending Pixar both Mafia. I have a feeling that Loose's current "no vote" is going to hit us somehow and sometime very hard.

I keep my vote as is for reason.

this stood out to me because Doc Charle was posting but not that much, and no one else was agreeing with Sonic. So as of end of D2, we don't know much about Charle other than he agreed with Sonic and maybe thought Sonic was cop. Stepping into Doc Charle's shoes it makes sense to use his save on Sonic.

So putting it all together: 2 towns died N2, meaning it's likely scum can kill more than once per night. Only 1 town died N1, so likely Doc had saved someone. Based on Doc Charle's posts, his most likely save was Sonic. Pixar revealed, and strike himself confirmed, that strike visited Sonic N1. Therefore most likely explanation is that Strike tried to kill Sonic but failed bc of Doc Charle. I believe this is Pixar's theory and having thought about it it is mine as well.
So one question is why strike would confirm visiting sonic if he is scum. I think maybe some kind of razor maneuver of being partially truthful.
strike's claim/defense is unsatisfying. He explains his reason for visiting Sonic as he didn't fully trust him and sonic is erratic. Ok so he visited sonic N1 and knows that sonic didn't kill Charle. Yet on D2 strike actually voted Sonic and was kind of pressing sonic a bit, before jumping on the razor wagon. I don't see the point of voting and pressing sonic if strike knows sonic didn't kill Charle. There were no other deaths on N1.
The only issue with this theory is I'm not sure why scum would target Sonic N1. Seems not to be an obvious target. But otherwise the evidence fits the theory pretty damn well.

Vote Strike

This is exactly my idea too.

And as Batman (Die Fledermaus): Batman possesses no super powers, has no innate superpowers, nor special abilities.. Just a strategic mind, a strong sense and tactical brilliance. The man has plans on top of plans. On character the best move i could play to help town was attracking heat to me using strategical tactics.

Like finding out who already knows who the mafia is (by not wanting to go deeper on a solid leads, not once or twice but consistent).

Fusi steered me on the Loose/Pixar combo. I have to believe both are town then, Pix too especially now after his soft claim, because i already found that out on Loose earlier in the game hence the switch. And it was Fusi who said ""Pixar's reaction is also weird to me. It was already getting a little fishy that there seemed to be a core group of vocal players adamantly against jumping on the free-claim wagon when I don't see a drawback to getting information out in the open."""

Pix has to be town and he must be telling the truth. Can't see it any other way now.

Like i believed Raz because the soft claim was so big there is only one possible outcome in the near future (if your not telling the truth : your balloon gets popped real quick), so for the same reason i have to Believe Pix. It all adds up on Pix.

Just not 100% sure what kind of player Strike is. All i know is He would not put the poison in his own glass. But his earlier play is not very consistent with the claims he made just now.

He says he is 100% sure he knows (saw) i did not kill Doc Charle. And I was the first to say there was nothing random about Doc's death unlike others but still coming after me in a coördinated manner? It does not add up.

By the way: Strike was the first to say Doc's murder was pure randomness.. :

So coming off yesterday, I don't feel much has changed for me
I don't like how committed Loose was to trying to get soft claims and it made me feel he had an ulterior motive probably related to finding a certain character in the game. Loose should vote for someone today so we can see if he is still voteless.

That said, Razor is still towards the top of my scummy list for his unusual quiet and the way he seemed to pick targets and then make the case later.

As for the night kill analysis, I'm not sure there's much to read or not. Charle based on his activity yesterday seems like a somewhat random choice.

Why would you do that as a townie? Strike? Care to explain that?

[SoN!c]

My only confirmed townies has been Max and Ragian (n1, n2). I'm thinking i got targeted but missed n1, which lead to only one death.

Before anyone asks, i chose Max off of activity and least likely to die, and not to confirm town.

So basically your saying something we already know? No need to put the "Before anyone asks" in front of it. We get it.

[Extreme Ways]

Strike came after you D2 because your logic usually doesn't add up.

And yes, I was going to ask DDS otherwise because I want to hear his reasoning rather than assume it. I even disagree with his reasoning because I think that getting real info would be more important than not dying D1, but that's besides the point: his claim is believable enough and if DDS turns out to be a liar that should become apparent in a couple (game)-days.

[SoN!c]

Strike came after you D2 because your logic usually doesn't add up.

And yes, I was going to ask DDS otherwise because I want to hear his reasoning rather than assume it. I even disagree with his reasoning because I think that getting real info would be more important than not dying D1, but that's besides the point: his claim is believable enough and if DDS turns out to be a liar that should become apparent in a couple (game)-days.

No we have to stay united as town and stay on Strike.

Strike says he is 100% sure he knows (saw) i did not kill Doc Charle but he was the first to post Doc's death was random and he kept coming for me to get me lynched.. it does not add up.

Unvote EW


Vote Strike

[DirtyDishSoap]

Strike came after you D2 because your logic usually doesn't add up.

And yes, I was going to ask DDS otherwise because I want to hear his reasoning rather than assume it. I even disagree with his reasoning because I think that getting real info would be more important than not dying D1, but that's besides the point: his claim is believable enough and if DDS turns out to be a liar that should become apparent in a couple (game)-days.

In no way does it add up and of all the people you could vote on, Strike should be at the bottom of this list.

In, bed, drunk as hell but it doesn't take a genius to tell that Charle was indeed a random kill. Without Charle confirming it or denying, it's all conjecture, further, Charle did almost nothing to put himself in the lime light, and you could make the argument that scum chose the safest option. It leads me to believe we either 1. Have an incredibly smart scumsters, or 2. They just got really, take lucky, on n1. I'm leaning almost completely on the latter. Nothing has indicated Charle was Doc, and scum have the benefit of who is who. Ul

Again, this is all conjecture! All ofv its!

[Extreme Ways]

Strike came after you D2 because your logic usually doesn't add up.

And yes, I was going to ask DDS otherwise because I want to hear his reasoning rather than assume it. I even disagree with his reasoning because I think that getting real info would be more important than not dying D1, but that's besides the point: his claim is believable enough and if DDS turns out to be a liar that should become apparent in a couple (game)-days.

In no way does it add up and of all the people you could vote on, Strike should be at the bottom of this list.

In, bed, drunk as hell but it doesn't take a genius to tell that Charle was indeed a random kill. Without Charle confirming it or denying, it's all conjecture, further, Charle did almost nothing to put himself in the lime light, and you could make the argument that scum chose the safest option. It leads me to believe we either 1. Have an incredibly smart scumsters, or 2. They just got really, take lucky, on n1. I'm leaning almost completely on the latter. Nothing has indicated Charle was Doc, and scum have the benefit of who is who. Ul

Again, this is all conjecture! All ofv its!

I'm assuming most of this is directed to Sonic? Good luck tomorrow

[Charle]

Unfortunately I am not allowed to reveal anything from the doc role. I have to say that Swang had a very good theory there, and is not on my scum list anymore.

Unvote Vote Pixar

Vote Strike

[Extreme Ways]

I am not totally clear on Strike, a lot less clear than DDS at the moment. I'll have to re-read some stuff after chess tonight but with the exception of helping me push for Sonic D2, he seems very Town.

It doesn't help that 1 person has more info than others here but cannot share it. Strike confirms Pix's tracking, so if pix is scum then so is strike.

It's not out of the question that Strike is another visiting role, I find a roleblocker to be likely if not for the fact that neither pix nor sonic mentioned anything.

Perhaps we do need more info from Strike, but we have a few roles out in the open right now:
Vigi
Phantom
Tracker
Some visiting role for SW
(And maybe some that I am missing)

Now my inexperience might show, but perhaps I too should reveal more about the things I have learned throughout the night?

I am also wondering when someone will claim the smoke bomb. Unless you have more abilities I think having more confirmed town who have no other powers would be welcome.

[Extreme Ways]

And no, I am not distracting from SW . I vote with Rag and DDS unless I have very strong opinions otherwise, and strike is still in my friendly list.

[Ragian]

Reading through all of this over and over and in short I tend to agree with Sonic (who I think is cop anyway) ... it seems that Loose is defending Pixar both Mafia. I have a feeling that Loose's current "no vote" is going to hit us somehow and sometime very hard.

I keep my vote as is for reason.

Or you knew Doc protected somebody (your target) and Doc paid for it with his life (but saved your target doing so).

Doc said he agreed with me and said "Sonic who I think is cop anyway".

Doc protecting the cop that night would be a very logic choice.. hence why you did not wanted Charle's reïncarnation saying anything about it (who he was protecting that night)

And with that unless I'm missing something I vote strike . Based on my night actions

WTF?!?! Depends on what your night action is.

Sorry guys, long weekend here, not much time.

I don't think killing the doc was random and also not loose. Both doc and loose was on something and was therefore killed. I would go pixar as scum for now, or at least this time I would like to get a claim out of him.

Vote Pixar

The second after Pixar claims to have dirt on Strike. Odd.

Just because I know I'll have to claim more than likely, yes I'm claiming tracker. N1 I visited strike wolf and he visited Son!c, seeing how many kills happened overnight I'm for sure thinking Son!c should have died on N1. N2 I visited Ragian and it came back with nothing. I was really thinking about doing strike wolf again but wanted to see how this evil twin thing was all about with Raz and Ragian. So I'd really love to hear what strike was doing with Son!c on Night 1.

Well, that came down quickly. What do you mean you wanted to see what was what with Raz and me? Raz imploded and flipped that evil thingie. What did you expect me to do? Visit his grave?

I've skimmed loads. I don't understand why we're on Strike. What's going on? I need to reread.

I also feel that Pixar blew his wad too early (you young people).

[strike wolf]

Because as I've already said more than once, I don't trust you or your play style Son!c. All I can confirm is that you didn't personally send in the kill on Charle. It doesnt mean you werent part of the mafia team who did. It doesnt mean that you didnt try to kill someone else night 1 and just failed. There were still a lot of ways you could be mafia or 3rd party. Die fledermaus is a pretty strong claim but not one I considered guaranteed. Especially since all the town members killed so far weren't significant characters in the show and my own character only appeared in one episode which suggests to me that Dega did indeed leave room for strong fake claims. Then you seemed to be really pushing against the Raz wagon which I thought seemed odd and brought up The idea that The Tick could be 3rd party. It made no sense that you would think heroes were third party unless:

1. You werent a hero. In which case, the Die Fledermaus soft claim was a lie. Very scummy.

Or

2. Our dear Die Fledermaus was third party and thus thought other heroes would be too. Probably survivor since he's usually described as a coward.

However, your actions of being pretty aggressive made even less sense as a survivor than as scum. So I leaned into option 1. Then, Raz flipped 3rd party, meaning you two weren't connected and your concern was possibly legitimate. I also failed to consider that your action just didn't go through on N1 which I really should have.

[SoN!c]

Because as I've already said more than once, I don't trust you or your play style Son!c. All I can confirm is that you didn't personally send in the kill on Charle. It doesnt mean you werent part of the mafia team who did. It doesnt mean that you didnt try to kill someone else night 1 and just failed. There were still a lot of ways you could be mafia or 3rd party. Die fledermaus is a pretty strong claim but not one I considered guaranteed. Especially since all the town members killed so far weren't significant characters in the show and my own character only appeared in one episode which suggests to me that Dega did indeed leave room for strong fake claims. Then you seemed to be really pushing against the Raz wagon which I thought seemed odd and brought up The idea that The Tick could be 3rd party. It made no sense that you would think heroes were third party unless:

1. You werent a hero. In which case, the Die Fledermaus soft claim was a lie. Very scummy.

Or

2. Our dear Die Fledermaus was third party and thus thought other heroes would be too. Probably survivor since he's usually described as a coward.

However, your actions of being pretty aggressive made even less sense as a survivor than as scum. So I leaned into option 1. Then, Raz flipped 3rd party, meaning you two weren't connected and your concern was possibly legitimate. I also failed to consider that your action just didn't go through on N1 which I really should have.

I can understand why you were thinking this but i just wanna know why you were the first to say Doc Charle got murdered "by random" (when his posts he made earlier that day surely seemed the best lead we had at that time)?

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Because as I've already said more than once, I don't trust you or your play style Son!c. All I can confirm is that you didn't personally send in the kill on Charle. It doesnt mean you werent part of the mafia team who did. It doesnt mean that you didnt try to kill someone else night 1 and just failed. There were still a lot of ways you could be mafia or 3rd party. Die fledermaus is a pretty strong claim but not one I considered guaranteed. Especially since all the town members killed so far weren't significant characters in the show and my own character only appeared in one episode which suggests to me that Dega did indeed leave room for strong fake claims. Then you seemed to be really pushing against the Raz wagon which I thought seemed odd and brought up The idea that The Tick could be 3rd party. It made no sense that you would think heroes were third party unless:

1. You werent a hero. In which case, the Die Fledermaus soft claim was a lie. Very scummy.

Or

2. Our dear Die Fledermaus was third party and thus thought other heroes would be too. Probably survivor since he's usually described as a coward.

However, your actions of being pretty aggressive made even less sense as a survivor than as scum. So I leaned into option 1. Then, Raz flipped 3rd party, meaning you two weren't connected and your concern was possibly legitimate. I also failed to consider that your action just didn't go through on N1 which I really should have.

I can understand why you were thinking this but i just wanna know why you were the first to say Doc Charle got murdered "by random" (when his posts he made earlier that day surely seemed the best lead we had at that time)?

I have a lot to say about this but will say it later in another post with the updated situation. But can you tell why u say it was the best lead? He said he suspected Loose who turned out town. Just cause he was doc his guess was not better that anyone else guess.

Chrale death was random in the way mafia could not know he was doc they got lucky, and his death woud mostlikely not rise suspicious on the actual killer.

[SoN!c]

Why do you answer the question for him? Why don't you wait until the player that was asked to answer answers first..

By answering for somebody else you will A) have found nothing out and B) you make it very easy for him

[Ragian]

Because anyone could answer that question.

[strike wolf]

Because Charle seemed low profile. As others said, it didn't really seem to definitively point to anyone. I could remember Charle posting but without reading back, he didn't seem to stand out.

Actually, I kind of get Son!cs frustration on that one.

[SoN!c]

Because anyone could answer that question.

That is very true. But the goal here is to find out more on Strike and looking for inconsistencies in his story. And by answering for Strike we won't find any inconsistencies.

And thanks Strike for answering that one.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Cause u haved said the same thing about doc charle death like 5 different times and a lot of people have answered it but you are still obsessed over it.

[PepeAtila]

Because as I've already said more than once, I don't trust you or your play style Son!c. All I can confirm is that you didn't personally send in the kill on Charle. It doesnt mean you werent part of the mafia team who did. It doesnt mean that you didnt try to kill someone else night 1 and just failed....

Explain how you confirm that Sonic didn't try to kill doc Charle, but perhaps Sonic tried to kill someone else ... (or I read wrongly?)

Vote Strike

[Extreme Ways]

I trust DDS, and I mentioned how we would out eventually if he is lying, but his claim is really, really weak.

He claims Phantom, a visiting role who dies if his target dies or if his target is scum. This makes him unlikely to die in the following nights, but that is also true for scum. He says he visited Max and Rag (in that order). This gives town 0 new info and everyone could say that they did this, unless they were tracked.

I also dont see why we are voting strike here. Also Strike, trust me, Sonic is not mafia. It's frustrating, but you also know it.

[DirtyDishSoap]

My character for it makes sense, since he's largely useless.

Anywho, sorry about the drunken post. Don't drink and mafia, kids.

I'm not exactly following the pressure on Strike though? That seems to be an incredibly flimsy argument. And against Sonic, well, aside from alot of superfluous text that you have to sift through, nothing he has had said had a positive impact on town from start to finish. Again, though, I'd like to steer clear from either since one is pretty clear to be town and the other is basically like Loose, so scummy he's town. Like I said, if I have to peg anyone, it's going to be one of our less active players.

And as for Charles death, as I mentioned earlier, I likely was targeted but I hid so the shot missed, which would explain the one kill N1. As for Charles kill in of itself, it does appear to be random. As does Dukes. It fits the M/O, which again, why I stated that Dukes was a scum kill, and Loose was shot by our Vig and Fusi (Scummy Scummer) was killed by SK/Arson.

I'm not entirely sure what else can be drawn from this unless someone reveals that Strike had indeed visited Charle N1.