Golfe du St. Laurent[FD,G,GP,FF]

[Peter Gibbons]

To be clear, îles-de-la-Madeleine is apart of France, not Canada.

This is incorrect. îles-de-la-Madeleine are part of the province of Quebec, and therefore part of Canada.

You might have the islands confused with St. Pierre & Miquelon?

[Unit_2]

To be clear, îles-de-la-Madeleine is apart of France, not Canada.

This is incorrect. îles-de-la-Madeleine are part of the province of Quebec, and therefore part of Canada.

You might have the islands confused with St. Pierre & Miquelon?

Oh yes, I don't know why I missed that. Thank you for the correction.

[ender516]

I only proposed the name changes in an effort to make more obvious which regions were in which zones, without relying on colours which, under the colour blind tests, were limited in their ability to distinguish one zone from another. In those tests, it seemed that because the Duplessis zone borders on so many others, there was bound to be one where the colour distinction was not great. I hoped that the new names would be more descriptive and would reinforce the colouring. If changes to the colours can make everything clear, then by all means leave the names alone.
Just one remark about "editing geography": it is quite common at CC to distort a real map for the purposes of legibility or gameplay. Scaling up the size of the islands so that their colours can be more easily discerned would, I think, be generally applauded as a solution (if it is agreed that there is a problem in seeing those colours: I was going on the colour blind test samples, but they seem to be scaled down smaller than the small map).

[Orange-Idaho-Dog]

So do we qualify for the XML stamp yet?

If not, what still needs fixed?

[dolomite13]

I cut my thumb real bad this weekend while doing dishes... i am finding it hard to do any fine manipulation of things on the computer right now but will try and get the graphics updates and changes worked out this week ... sorry for the delay

=D=

[MrBenn]

I drew up the draft, game play, and territory names. Dolomite re-drew over the territories, the names, and added eye candy to the map. So the 'Official Copy Right' would belong to me, but the other metal would go to Dolomite for doing all the other work. The only problem is that OID did the XML, is there another metal for that?

This is the point that is in dispute.
Having re-read the whole thread, it would appear that the original idea could have been Gozar's. The development of gameplay and territory names is partially formed by the natural geography, and partially as a result of feedback from the community. The XML is a technical description of the map that is required to make the game playable, and is not subject to the same copyright agreement. I strongly believe that the copyright should belong to the creator of the image. In this case, it is still not clear whether that is Lone.Prophet or dolomite13, who took it upon himself to recreate the graphics.

At this stage, I'm of the opinion that no medals should be awarded for development of this map, because too many people have added significant weight to its development. The creator of the final image should be responsible for the copyright agreement:

The author retains copyright on their work, and gives Conquer Club permission to use the imagery free of charge, for as long as Conquer Club sees fit on the Conquer Club website. Conquer Club cannot sell, lease, or lend the right to use the images to anyone else. The author swears that their map is their own work, or a legal derivative work and by submitting it, do hereby claim all responsibility for that being true

[the.killing.44]

Without l.p there's no image to base dolomite's off of.

IMO: No medal, dolomite is the "owner" of the image so he deals with lack & the Copyright Agreement. If we need to issue a medal, it goes to l.p.

[Orange-Idaho-Dog]

I don't care about the petty medal situation, I just want the map up already. Preferably with my name down for the XML in the map description, but whatever. I can't see how this would be Gozar's map when he hasn't been involved with it since....when? Same goes for LP.

Dolomite redrew the entire map keeping the color scheme of LP's version, that's it. As far as you know, he could have used a real map of the area to redraw it like Unit did for the draft. LP is in no way involved with the re-birth of this map, so why should he be considered for anything? He quit on this map way back when, and despite a few PM's (I believe) he never responded back to trying this map out again.



On another note, still waiting to find out if the XML is approved? Dolomite shouldn't be editing the army circles anymore, just the colors of the territories.

[the.killing.44]

Uh, getting the map to the FF is no small feat.

[Unit_2]

Gozar suggested the idea, I actually created the map. In the United States the copy right is as followed.

As soon as a work is "fixed", that is, written or recorded on some physical medium, its author is automatically entitled to all copyrights in the work, and to any derivative works unless and until the author explicitly disclaims them, or until the copyright expires.

The official copyright goes to me, being the original author. But Dolomite would be credited for the graphics. Gozar has no right to claim anything about the map, nor does Lone.Prophet since he abandoned the project.

[the.killing.44]

Gozar suggested the idea, I actually created the map. In the United States the copy right is as followed.

As soon as a work is "fixed", that is, written or recorded on some physical medium, its author is automatically entitled to all copyrights in the work, and to any derivative works unless and until the author explicitly disclaims them, or until the copyright expires.

The official copyright goes to me, being the original author. But Dolomite would be credited for the graphics. Gozar has no right to claim anything about the map, nor does Lone.Prophet since he abandoned the project.

Canadian site.
Private site.
∴
US Copyright

[Unit_2]

Gozar suggested the idea, I actually created the map. In the United States the copy right is as followed.

As soon as a work is "fixed", that is, written or recorded on some physical medium, its author is automatically entitled to all copyrights in the work, and to any derivative works unless and until the author explicitly disclaims them, or until the copyright expires.

The official copyright goes to me, being the original author. But Dolomite would be credited for the graphics. Gozar has no right to claim anything about the map, nor does Lone.Prophet since he abandoned the project.

Canadian site.
Private site.
∴
US Copyright

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_copyright_law

The USA and Canada have the same copyright laws if you would like to read up on it.

My stance stays.

[dolomite13]

My injured thumb is out of the bandage and I can bend it (with some discomfort) but no damage was done to any tendons etc ... so I will update the colors this evening ... sorry for the delay.

As for credit for the maps graphics I am willing to relinquish any claim to them whatsoever and do not need any recognition on the map for the work I have done.

=D=

[Orange-Idaho-Dog]

So do we qualify for the XML stamp yet?

If not, what still needs fixed?

[ender516]

So do we qualify for the XML stamp yet?

If not, what still needs fixed?

If nothing needs fixing, is this the point at which you post to the [Official] Map XML checks topic?

[Orange-Idaho-Dog]

I would assume. We've had it checked once and OK'ed by Forza, but it's been edited since then. However the only changes have been correcting spelling errors and the co-ordinates, which I don't believe Forza checks.

[MrBenn]

iancanton has been paying a closer eye to territory labels etc; and he's been on vacation for a little while. When he's back, I'll get him to double-check and give the XML stamp

[Orange-Idaho-Dog]

Awesome, thanks.

[dolomite13]

Rather than tweaking the contrast, you could tweak the brightness of each coloured region. Having said that, only three ares need to be adjusted, and I'd suggest the following:
1. Make the green of Great North a shade or two lighter/paler.
2. Switch the colours of Est du Quebec and New Brunswick, and make the pink darker, and the orange a bit lighter.

It would help if the pale blue islands were exaggerated in size and make a bit larger - this would help them to become a bit more visible making it easier to work out where they belong (ie which bonus area)

I made the changes suggested here.

large - http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2780/416 ... 41c3_o.png



small - http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4002/416 ... 4b4a_o.png



=D=

[Unit_2]

Very nice job.

[ender516]

The increased size of the Gulf islands is a great improvement. I hope the colour changes work out as well for the colour-blind.

[MrBenn]

As for map ownership goes, the copyright - and therefore the map ownership - belongs to the creator of the map image.

In this case the map image was created originally by Lone.Prophet, and has since been recreated by dolomite13. Before this map can proceed, we'll need to get permission from Lone.Prophet to use the updated/adjusted version of his graphics.

[dolomite13]

As for map ownership goes, the copyright - and therefore the map ownership - belongs to the creator of the map image.

In this case the map image was created originally by Lone.Prophet, and has since been recreated by dolomite13. Before this map can proceed, we'll need to get permission from Lone.Prophet to use the updated/adjusted version of his graphics.

Sounds good =)

[Orange-Idaho-Dog]

Lone.Prophet has seemingly dropped off the face of CC, how exactly would you suggest contacting him?

We have worked too damn long on this map to run into copyright bs that prevents it from being launched. As far as I'm concerned, the copyright holder should be Dolomite. This is a map of a real geographical place, you can find hundreds of interpretations of this area on the internet I'm sure. Are you telling me then, that each map drawer contacted the person who originally drew the very first map of this area to ask for copyright permission? Everything about this map has changed since Lone.Prophet's version, from the colors and size to the army circles, title and legend. Even some of the territory lines have been changed.


How on earth can you still consider Lone.Prophet the copyright holder? If there's no way around this issue, then the map will never be released, and our hard work wasted. LP doesn't show up on the scoreboard anymore, which means he's been inactive for atleast a month.

[MrBenn]

Lone.Prophet has seemingly dropped off the face of CC, how exactly would you suggest contacting him?

Perhaps Unit_2 has another means of contacting him?

We have worked too damn long on this map to run into copyright bs that prevents it from being launched. As far as I'm concerned, the copyright holder should be Dolomite. This is a map of a real geographical place, you can find hundreds of interpretations of this area on the internet I'm sure. Are you telling me then, that each map drawer contacted the person who originally drew the very first map of this area to ask for copyright permission? Everything about this map has changed since Lone.Prophet's version, from the colors and size to the army circles, title and legend. Even some of the territory lines have been changed.

How on earth can you still consider Lone.Prophet the copyright holder? If there's no way around this issue, then the map will never be released, and our hard work wasted. LP doesn't show up on the scoreboard anymore, which means he's been inactive for atleast a month.

The 1886 Berne Convention first established recognition of copyrights...copyrights for creative works do not have to be asserted or declared, as they are automatically in force at creation....there is no requirement for an author to "register" or "apply for" a copyright, or to mark his or her works with a copyright symbol or other legend. As soon as a work is "fixed", that is, written or recorded on some physical medium, its author is automatically entitled to all copyrights in the work, and to any derivative works unless and until the author explicitly disclaims them, or until the copyright expires.

Let's not get into a bun-fight about this. This is not the first time that a completed map has stalled following the disappearance of the original artist: The real issue is that permission should have been acquired from Lone.Prophet to continue using his imagery before the map was lifted out of the Recycling Bin. If permission to use the imagery (or a derivative thereof) can be obtained, then we can proceed. If not, then we can't.