Austro-Hungarian Empire [Quenched]

[Jatekos]

Congrats for the map. It looks really nice, I am looking forward to play it.
I have a couple of suggestions:
- Accents on the Hungarian letters curve to the right, and not to the left. Veszprém and Szatmár is written correctly, but the accents on the other names look a bit strange for me. I think that the following names need to be updated: Nógrád, Máramaros (á was on the wrong place, too), Csík, Háromszék, Bács-Bodrog).
- Please also add a "-" to Maros-Torda.
- I like the colours used for the map, but I think Bosnia & Herzegovina's blue could be replaced with another colour. It looks like it had water regions, not lands (especially that it is next to the sea).
- The title of the map is also missing a hyphen. It should read "The Austro-Hungarian Empire".

[MarshalNey]

I mostly agree with all you wrote, the only thing i don't like to change is to make the dual monarchy able to attack. I think it's better to have it as it is, in my mind it looks better. But I've noted this in the OP, if people will ask for the change, I'll take it into consideration.

About neutrals, do you think something like in this version is better?

[bigimg]http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/3/21/2373685/Austro%20Hungarian%20Map/AHv2.png[/bigimg]

Pest and Lower Austria changed to 3 neutrals
Both Thrones with 4 neutrals
Dual Monarchy with 6 neutrals

(3) Question: does the Austro-Hungarian Condominium count as part of neither Cisleithania or Transleithania? I'm assuming that is the answer, although it could possibly be both...

Yes, Bosnia & Herzegovina is a sort of neutral place, for historical consistence. I was going to write something like: "it isn't part of any bonus" but it would look strange being written next to a bonus...
So i used the minimaps, i think they explain what is part of Cisleithania or Transleithania.... No?

Sorry for the delayed response, I've been sick...

Yes, this looks much better. Keeping the Dual Monarchy as bombardment is fine, and Sully makes a good case for it. As for the the Condominium, yes I think it can logically be inferred to be neither Cisleithania or Transleithania, but I'm anticipating that some players might be unsure nevertheless without explicit information. It's not a big deal, many map legends require some inference as there's just not enough room to spell everything out.

Overall I'm content with the gameplay, but I'll ask the others to see what they think before giving this a sticky.

Marshal Ney

[MarshalNey]

If nodody voices any problems with the gameplay within the next two days, this map will be promoted.

[Jatekos]

Will the points I raised be addressed at a later stage?

[thenobodies80]

Will the points I raised be addressed at a later stage?

About accents I can change all them; Do you notice other names that need a fix?
Also the title and maros-torda will be fixed asap.
About serbia color, i'll be happy to play a bit more with it as soon as the map reaches the graphics stage.

thanks for your help
Nobodies

[MarshalNey]

Notwithstanding the name changes, which I'm sure nobodies already has in hand, this map is overdue for Graphics. Onward and upward!



Congratulations nobodies!

PS I'm hoping to see more historical maps like this one... any more in the works?

Marshal Ney

[neanderpaul14]

Looks awesome, love the look of the forests.

Can't wait to play it.

[Jatekos]

Do you notice other names that need a fix?

Nope. The Hungarian ones will be fine after the update. Unfortunately I am not familiar with all the other names.

[theBastard]

Do you notice other names that need a fix?

Nope. The Hungarian ones will be fine after the update. Unfortunately I am not familiar with all the other names.

what is the idea here, nobodies? to have all names correct in "its" language? if yes, I can help you with czech names...

[Industrial Helix]

There was a Hungarian speaker who helped me with German Unification, I know he posted in the thread. Perhaps you could look him up if you need help with the Hungarian names.

[theBastard]

There was a Hungarian speaker who helped me with German Unification, I know he posted in the thread. Perhaps you could look him up if you need help with the Hungarian names.

Jatekos is Hungarian, so I can not see problem here

[thenobodies80]

Do you notice other names that need a fix?

Nope. The Hungarian ones will be fine after the update. Unfortunately I am not familiar with all the other names.

what is the idea here, nobodies? to have all names correct in "its" language? if yes, I can help you with czech names...

Yeah that was the idea, but using historical ones.

[Jatekos]

There was a Hungarian speaker who helped me with German Unification, I know he posted in the thread. Perhaps you could look him up if you need help with the Hungarian names.

I know that he is keeping an eye on this thread and helping here as well.

[theBastard]

the main problem with names (original, historic ones) for territories in Bohemia is that there are so large that each include more small historic regions. I think you can go with names as you have now, just with Czech names (if this is your idea):

Northern Bohemia - Severní Čechy
Central Bohemia - Střední Čechy
Southern Bohemia - Jižní Čechy
Silesia - Slezsko
Moravia - Morava

but I found some old maps from around 1900 and there were German names used also in Bohemia...

[Industrial Helix]

that lake looks a bit strange... it might the shape?

[thenobodies80]

Here's the update:

[bigimg]http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/3/21/2373685/Austro%20Hungarian%20Map/AH.b.png[/bigimg]


List of Changes:

• Fixed wrong names/accents/etc....anyone has other suggestions about names?
• Some minor improvement to the legends and i used a different background for them.
• Small version
• The Balaton Lake, i fixed it but, if you don't like the shape again, then complain about erosion
• Added the hyphen to the title

Now, the small version is 630x485 px right now, i think that some extra pixels (20-50) could help to increase readability of legends; but I'm also happy with it as it is because personally i can't say I'm not able to read it....so if people don't have problems to read them too i won't ask for additional space.
Someone has problem/find hard to read the legend on the small version?

[theBastard]

• Fixed wrong names/accents/etc....anyone has other suggestions about names?

hm, you use Hungarian names, Croatian names, but why not German for Austria and maybe Bohemia?

Some minor improvement to the legends and i used a different background for them.

Small version

I like them...

The Balaton Lake, i fixed it but, if you don't like the shape again, then complain about erosion

Added the hyphen to the title

I like new title. but the lake and rivers looks as they are "upper" as land. could you do them lower?

Now, the small version is 630x485 px right now, i think that some extra pixels (20-50) could help to increase readability of legends; but I'm also happy with it as it is because personally i can't say I'm not able to read it....so if people don't have problems to read them too i won't ask for additional space.
Someone has problem/find hard to read the legend on the small version?

I have no problems to read it. hope nobody. also Marshal

[thenobodies80]

• Fixed wrong names/accents/etc....anyone has other suggestions about names?

hm, you use Hungarian names, Croatian names, but why not German for Austria and maybe Bohemia?

will do, i forgot about them, anyway it's something easy and quick to do

The Balaton Lake, i fixed it but, if you don't like the shape again, then complain about erosion

Added the hyphen to the title

I like new title. but the lake and rivers looks as they are "upper" as land. could you do them lower?

It's lower, the shadow is inside not outside, so it can't be upper than the land. In any case it isn't techincally possible to do it lower than now.

[Industrial Helix]

I can read it, but its small. I also think everything on the small map is small, which is why I play the large map. So I'm a bit biased. Any other complainers on the text of the small map?

[tonbomorphew]

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[Victor Sullivan]

How goes it, nobodies? It'd be a cryin' shame if this were to be binned - I love the throne/monarchy mechanism and look forward to playing it.

[thenobodies80]

Currently it's exactly what you can see in the first post. RL is hectic these days. Anyway I think I can work on this and post something by the end of the week. Promised

[Victor Sullivan]

Currently it's exactly what you can see in the first post. RL is hectic these days. Anyway I think I can work on this and post something by the end of the week. Promised

*Yay!*

[thenobodies80]

[bigimg]http://h1.ripway.com/thenobodies80/A_H.L.jpg[/bigimg]


here below, how the left lower legend should look with a larger small version. (just a quick preview)

[Victor Sullivan]

Yay!

So, I assume you want an increase for the small version? Let me discuss this with- wait, dammit...