Conquer Club

i wonder who's the highest ranker who plays primary sequential, non-team games?

I wouldn't be surprised if there was no such a player in top 50... If there are some, then must be very few.

bbqpenguin wrote:i wonder who's the highest ranker who plays primary sequential, non-team games?

joecoolfrog and he is currently 21 on the scoreboard

What's with the hate against team games? It sounds a bit like "second rate citizens" here. If you got a high-ish rank by playing team games you didn't deserve it, or something.

niMic wrote:What's with the hate against team games? It sounds a bit like "second rate citizens" here. If you got a high-ish rank by playing team games you didn't deserve it, or something.

Insecure about something?

Timminz wrote:

niMic wrote:What's with the hate against team games? It sounds a bit like "second rate citizens" here. If you got a high-ish rank by playing team games you didn't deserve it, or something.

Insecure about something?

No. Should I be?

niMic wrote:What's with the hate against team games? It sounds a bit like "second rate citizens" here. If you got a high-ish rank by playing team games you didn't deserve it, or something.

same about freestyle

niMic wrote:

Timminz wrote:

niMic wrote:What's with the hate against team games? It sounds a bit like "second rate citizens" here. If you got a high-ish rank by playing team games you didn't deserve it, or something.

Insecure about something?

No. Should I be?

Not that I'm aware of. It just seems to me, that no one said anything about "second rate". Perhaps your interpretation of what's been said is more telling than what has actually been said.

Timminz wrote:

niMic wrote:

Timminz wrote:

niMic wrote:What's with the hate against team games? It sounds a bit like "second rate citizens" here. If you got a high-ish rank by playing team games you didn't deserve it, or something.

Insecure about something?

No. Should I be?

Not that I'm aware of. It just seems to me, that no one said anything about "second rate". Perhaps your interpretation of what's been said is more telling than what has actually been said.

Seems like you're the one drawing conclusions where there are none to be drawn. And no, no one specifically said "second rate", but you know what I mean, don't be childish. It's called hyperbole. Looks fairly obvious to me that some people have a lot against team games, and my post was an attempt to get a clarification from those people. If you're not one of those people, why did you respond?

Team players are generally a bit inflated (including yours truly) because so many noobs join the open games. Even if someone only joins against other high ranked teams he is still inflated because his opponents likely padded their scores with noob fodder. Of course, when it comes to inflation the freestylers blow the teamers out of the water.

niMic wrote:Seems like you're the one drawing conclusions where there are none to be drawn.

I have yet to draw a single conclusion in this thread. You seem to have misinterpreted what I've been saying.

Maybe you would prefer if I said this...

In my opinion, someone who plays entirely standard sequential games is a better strategist than someone who maintains the same score playing nothing but freestyle, or team games.

I will stand by this statement.

I believe that some people see those with high score from only team games as having inflated point totals because it is not just the one person playing to increase the score. There is a chance that someone gets a bad drop and is eliminated before their first turn, but their team still wins the game. Yes they deserve the points they win, but some may not see it this way.

lancehoch wrote:I believe that some people see those with high score from only team games as having inflated point totals because it is not just the one person playing to increase the score. There is a chance that someone gets a bad drop and is eliminated before their first turn, but their team still wins the game. Yes they deserve the points they win, but some may not see it this way.

Some might say that, but it's not quite what I'm saying. What I'm trying to say is that it takes more strategy to win standard games, while team games rely more on coordination between teammates. The larger the teams, the more this is true. Please note that I am NOT saying that anyone doesn't deserve their points. What I am saying, is that I believe it is more difficult to gain points playing standard sequential games, than it is playing team, or freestyle games.

If one knows basic escalating strategy and some advanced tactics they should easily be able to get to 2500. It's quicker to reach Colonel via esc than teams. Then when you hit 2500, playing teams is the best way to maintain and slowly increase score. Of course, to get to the top of the top of the scoreboard you have to learn freestyle and clicky maps, as well as have a decent enough computer.

prismsaber wrote:Of course, to get to the top of the top of the scoreboard you have to learn freestyle and clicky maps, as well as have a decent enough computer.

you make that sound like all you need to do is get clickable maps and then you shoot up which would be complete rubbish

just about every freestyle player has clickables (and if i realize an opponent is slow then i send them a pm explaining how to get clickables) so how come not every freestyle player is above 3000?

just like in sequential, you have to beat better your opponents to win and gain points, so when playing against clickables, guess what decides who wins?

but unlike in sequential, in freestyle almost every time the better player(s) win(s) so the luck factor is a lot smaller in freestyle which allows those players that are good at it to get to the top easier

He did not say that's all you need to get to the top. He said that you can't get to the top without it.

Timminz wrote:He did not say that's all you need to get to the top. He said that you can't get to the top without it.

And this is 100% true. At least in today's CC it is.

Bruceswar wrote:

Timminz wrote:He did not say that's all you need to get to the top. He said that you can't get to the top without it.

And this is 100% true. At least in today's CC it is.

but really only because everyone has it, if nobody had it it would come to the same, youve still got some players that are faster than others

Jeff Hardy wrote:

Bruceswar wrote:

Timminz wrote:He did not say that's all you need to get to the top. He said that you can't get to the top without it.

And this is 100% true. At least in today's CC it is.

but really only because everyone has it, if nobody had it it would come to the same, youve still got some players that are faster than others

And this thread is not about them. It is about sequential players.

Jeff Hardy wrote:

Bruceswar wrote:

Timminz wrote:He did not say that's all you need to get to the top. He said that you can't get to the top without it.

And this is 100% true. At least in today's CC it is.

but really only because everyone has it, if nobody had it it would come to the same, youve still got some players that are faster than others

And that's why I'm not a fan of freestyle. The speed of your rig and your ability to click fast should not determine your place on the scoreboard of a strategy game. That's just my personal opinion and I'm sure others disagree. I know it's more than just speed. I've played a few freestyle games myself back in the day. You have to be able to read the board well and quickly process the changing environment. At the end of the day, however, it appears to still come down to overwhelming other players with a blinding flash of speed. I'd say most of them are disoriented by this to such a degree that they have nearly no chance to win. It's basically a guaranteed 8 points or whatever for any opponent, whereas you wouldn't be caught dead playing such a player in a seq game with otherwise identical settings. You couldn't overwhelm them this way.

You cannot debate this point.To maintain such a high score playing exclusively speed freestyle is extremely difficult.Most Freestyle players can also play sequential and to argue against this is without warrant.What is the real debate here?!Are you saying it is harder and more difficult to maintain a higher score playing private games where you stand to maximize your point won/loss ratio?! Please add more in your next post thank you...

Prankcall wrote:You cannot debate this point.To maintain such a high score playing exclusively speed freestyle is extremely difficult.Most Freestyle players can also play sequential and to argue against this is without warrant.What is the real debate here?!Are you saying it is harder and more difficult to maintain a higher score playing private games where you stand to maximize your point won/loss ratio?! Please add more in your next post thank you...

There are some, though, who rely almost wholly on their speed, who, if put into a sequential game with players that knew what they were doing, would not stand a snowball's chance in Hell. It's unfortunate that they are sometimes the ones drawing the most attention to themselves, thus giving other members a possibly distorted perception of everyone at the top.

Timminz wrote:

Prankcall wrote:You cannot debate this point.To maintain such a high score playing exclusively speed freestyle is extremely difficult.Most Freestyle players can also play sequential and to argue against this is without warrant.What is the real debate here?!Are you saying it is harder and more difficult to maintain a higher score playing private games where you stand to maximize your point won/loss ratio?! Please add more in your next post thank you...

There are some, though, who rely almost wholly on their speed, who, if put into a sequential game with players that knew what they were doing, would not stand a snowball's chance in Hell. It's unfortunate that they are sometimes the ones drawing the most attention to themselves, thus giving other members a possibly distorted perception of everyone at the top.

Who are you taking about here? most players that solely rely on their speed max out on corporal. there may be one or two players that are brig/general that rely solely on their speed. however, most of these players play aor1 or doodle assassin freestyle games. in which case, it is almost impossible to maintain the level of brig/general.

you may think of a couple of names of the top of your head. does that warrant the bad reputation that (some) sequencial player tag against freestyle players?

why cant we be friends?

PS. well said PC

thezepman wrote:

Timminz wrote:

Prankcall wrote:You cannot debate this point.To maintain such a high score playing exclusively speed freestyle is extremely difficult.Most Freestyle players can also play sequential and to argue against this is without warrant.What is the real debate here?!Are you saying it is harder and more difficult to maintain a higher score playing private games where you stand to maximize your point won/loss ratio?! Please add more in your next post thank you...

There are some, though, who rely almost wholly on their speed, who, if put into a sequential game with players that knew what they were doing, would not stand a snowball's chance in Hell. It's unfortunate that they are sometimes the ones drawing the most attention to themselves, thus giving other members a possibly distorted perception of everyone at the top.

Who are you taking about here? most players that solely rely on their speed max out on corporal. there may be one or two players that are brig/general that rely solely on their speed. however, most of these players play aor1 or doodle assassin freestyle games. in which case, it is almost impossible to maintain the level of brig/general.

you may think of a couple of names of the top of your head. does that warrant the bad reputation that (some) sequencial player tag against freestyle players?

why cant we be friends?

PS. well said PC

But we are friends....it's just that freestyle players are second class citizens and would not be allowed to vote in a decent society. Don't worry about it, I'm sure being second class is nice for you, it means you can sit back and relax, let the Alphas take care of things and just keep taking the soma gas we provide for you in the form of freestyle.

Freestyle is one play style, Sequential is another. Both requires diffrent tactics. Sequential players aren't "Alphas". Both are equal.

Kinda sums it up

[Edit] Changed a typo