Immigration

[Guiscard]

There are nothing wrong with those ideals iggy.

I'm talking about the middle-classed, spoilt-brat kids... degenerate wasters..Never turned a penny in their lives, yet they have plans on how to spend every other fuckers money...

And these would be who?

[got tonkaed]

Maybe I'm the last idealist on the face of this world but I honestly believe that we could all get along if we drop all our prejudices and just took the time to get to know others.

you can't get along with everyone. i like those ideals too but many exploit them to achieve their own goals. let's elaborate: chinese people come here legally - it's o.k. by me but then when one of them dies they don't register this and instead they bury him somewhere and another one comes from china to replace him (this was proven, went to newspapers). also most of them don't know a word of croatian nor are willing to learn (when in rome do as romans do). why would we trust them if they exploit our good faith?

I think theres a divided loyalty here, which may be reasonable i guess.

In general, people want immigration because it provides economic advantage through cheaper labor. This i think is a pretty simple point. So there really should be little incentive for first generation immigrants to have to do that when in rome practice, because really, not that many people are interested in them for their citizenship. However we run into a bit of a problem in the next generations, because a lot of countries believe in the idea of social mobility, whether or not its really true.

I think there has to be a little more honesty on both sides. Liberals either have to make a greater effort to make immigrants citizens and bestow on them the benefits of citizenship, even if that comes at an expense. Conservatives have to admit to the economic desirabilty of immigration over social inclusion. Basically they have to accept the illegals as illegals as long as they dont expect some of the benefits of citzenship.

At that point at least, we wouldnt have the problem of both sides making promises they arent going to deliver on.

[ignotus]

Maybe I'm the last idealist on the face of this world but I honestly believe that we could all get along if we drop all our prejudices and just took the time to get to know others.

you can't get along with everyone. i like those ideals too but many exploit them to achieve their own goals. let's elaborate: chinese people come here legally - it's o.k. by me but then when one of them dies they don't register this and instead they bury him somewhere and another one comes from china to replace him (this was proven, went to newspapers). also most of them don't know a word of croatian nor are willing to learn (when in rome do as romans do). why would we trust them if they exploit our good faith?

What did Chinese people ever do to you?

They work hard. When they earn enough money they bring their families here. I see a lot of Croat deadbeats that aren't adding anything to our economy and they are always bitching how we can't get a job because all the jobs are taken. Bullshit!

I see Chinese as a peaceful and grateful people that are still learning to adjust to Croatia (most of them came in the last 5 years) and most of them are better than average Croatian citizens (they pay all the taxes and they aim to please in their restaurants).

[Simonov]

What did Chinese people ever do to you?

They work hard. When they earn enough money they bring their families here. I see a lot of Croat deadbeats that aren't adding anything to our economy and they are always bitching how we can't get a job because all the jobs are taken. Bullshit!

I see Chinese as a peaceful and grateful people that are still learning to adjust to Croatia (most of them came in the last 5 years) and most of them are better than average Croatian citizens (they pay all the taxes and they aim to please in their restaurants).

1. nothing
2. true but we have to tolerate them
3. you only see what you want to

in 100 or so years there won't be Croatia or Croats, we'll be Chiatia. wait until they amass their numbers then you'll see how sweet and peaceful they are.... you're too naive. well i guess we can't evade the unevitable - chinese and muslim will rule the Europe real soon, it's just a matter of time when the west will fall...

p.s. i wonder will u think the same when your grandchildren will have to learn chinese in schools...

[ignotus]

What did Chinese people ever do to you?

They work hard. When they earn enough money they bring their families here. I see a lot of Croat deadbeats that aren't adding anything to our economy and they are always bitching how we can't get a job because all the jobs are taken. Bullshit!

I see Chinese as a peaceful and grateful people that are still learning to adjust to Croatia (most of them came in the last 5 years) and most of them are better than average Croatian citizens (they pay all the taxes and they aim to please in their restaurants).

1. nothing
2. true but we have to tolerate them
3. you only see what you want to

in 100 or so years there won't be Croatia or Croats, we'll be Chiatia. wait until they amass their numbers then you'll see how sweet and peaceful they are.... you're too naive. well i guess we can't evade the unevitable - chinese and muslim will rule the world real soon, it's just a matter of time when the west will fall...

well get married about 100 times and make 1231 little croats and I'll do the same on my end of country.
Yes, maybe I'm seeing the world through "pink glasses" but I don't think it would be that bad. At least this things wont be done in your time.

[Napoleon Ier]

What did Chinese people ever do to you?

They work hard. When they earn enough money they bring their families here. I see a lot of Croat deadbeats that aren't adding anything to our economy and they are always bitching how we can't get a job because all the jobs are taken. Bullshit!

I see Chinese as a peaceful and grateful people that are still learning to adjust to Croatia (most of them came in the last 5 years) and most of them are better than average Croatian citizens (they pay all the taxes and they aim to please in their restaurants).

1. nothing
2. true but we have to tolerate them
3. you only see what you want to

in 100 or so years there won't be Croatia or Croats, we'll be Chiatia. wait until they amass their numbers then you'll see how sweet and peaceful they are.... you're too naive. well i guess we can't evade the unevitable - chinese and muslim will rule the Europe real soon, it's just a matter of time when the west will fall...

p.s. i wonder will u think the same when your grandchildren will have to learn chinese in schools...[/quote]




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[Simonov]

well get married about 100 times and make 1231 little croats and I'll do the same on my end of country.
Yes, maybe I'm seeing the world through "pink glasses" but I don't think it would be that bad. At least this things wont be done in your time.

good plan.

you see i have nothing against few chinese here, but when they come in large numbers and this trend keeps increasing, i say put an end to this - especially to illegal ones. we don't have enough to give to our own people. let's first help our own then we can think about chinese...

[Norse]

Those photos were fabricated napoleon...blatantly by some fascist, racist politician who doesnt like ethnics....

[ignotus]

O we were so lucky & isolated so far. But the next day all these Asians and Africans came that we had to change the name of our country to Chinawana land.

[got tonkaed]

O we were so lucky & isolated so far. But the next day all these Asians and Africans came that we had to change the name of our country to Chinawana land.

i tell you what, china is going to be exporting people all over the place in the next few decades. Theres just going to be way too many people and not enough growth to go around (as shocking as that sounds). I think the aussies are going under a similar situation too. Its just one of those things that countries are going to have to really think about the approach they want to take.

[Iliad]

O we were so lucky & isolated so far. But the next day all these Asians and Africans came that we had to change the name of our country to Chinawana land.

i tell you what, china is going to be exporting people all over the place in the next few decades. Theres just going to be way too many people and not enough growth to go around (as shocking as that sounds). I think the aussies are going under a similar situation too. Its just one of those things that countries are going to have to really think about the approach they want to take.

Yeah there are heaps of Asians here. So? I don't mind them most of my friends are Asians and they are fine people.

[suggs]

Simonov, what you have to understand, is that there are a vast number of air-headed idealists living within the UK...they have no grasp of economy, industry or law. They can only see things through there rose-tinted utopian spectacles.

This is why I said what I said on your "croatia" thread...never aspire to be a sensitised democracy.

Norse, you clealry dont understand the first thing about basic economics, and your history is weak. Your views are clearly fascist-its not a "cop-out" to accurately describe someones political views. Save it for the terraces mate-your political economy is laughable.

[ignotus]

All these freemasons, secret catholic church factions, yellow threat (Asians) , black threat (Africans), red threat (Communists) theories are making me sick & sleepy.

[Norse]

I agree with tonky 100%.

Including the sheer industrial strength (considering it is only in its infancy). Chinese is mandatory in a few colleges around my area....and thats no lie...it's an up and coming place, and they will be needing polish people soon.

[got tonkaed]

O we were so lucky & isolated so far. But the next day all these Asians and Africans came that we had to change the name of our country to Chinawana land.

i tell you what, china is going to be exporting people all over the place in the next few decades. Theres just going to be way too many people and not enough growth to go around (as shocking as that sounds). I think the aussies are going under a similar situation too. Its just one of those things that countries are going to have to really think about the approach they want to take.

Yeah there are heaps of Asians here. So? I don't mind them most of my friends are Asians and they are fine people.

I mean its not necessairly a problem at all. Its just whether or not a country has the resources and infrastructure to make possible integrating a large new group of people into their socieites. If anything, that might be the best thing globalization can do, so that countries can be prepared for an influx of new culture.

[Simonov]

O we were so lucky & isolated so far. But the next day all these Asians and Africans came that we had to change the name of our country to Chinawana land.

i extend my claims to point of irony, but still you know what i mean. look objectively at the situation - croats emigrating chinese and other banana-landers immigrating... this isn't a joke ignotus, we'll become minority in our own country... i have nothing against them as people but if their presence endangers my own then i'm against this. better prevent then have to fix later.

[Chris7He]

Immigration is the only thing that's been keeping this nation's average IQ level above 100.

[Norse]

Norse, you clealry dont understand the first thing about basic economics, and your history is weak. Your views are clearly fascist-its not a "cop-out" to accurately describe someones political views. Save it for the terraces mate-your political economy is laughable.

Suggsy, you cant come here, and make these sweeping, un-based remarks. You have to at least make some kind of an effort to put across the point with evidence and fact.

Your method resembles the "your mom" type jokes...totally unfounded, totally uneccassary, and a little bit immature.

Maybe go away, and come back to me with some kind of a constructive arguement. That way you will not be laughed at and/or ignored.

Have a good one
Twill

[Guiscard]

banana-landers

[DaGip]

My thought is to just take over Mexico and put our border at the Panama Canal...works for me.

[ignotus]

O we were so lucky & isolated so far. But the next day all these Asians and Africans came that we had to change the name of our country to Chinawana land.

i extend my claims to point of irony, but still you know what i mean. look objectively at the situation - croats emigrating chinese and other banana-landers immigrating... this isn't a joke ignotus, we'll become minority in our own country... i have nothing against them as people but if their presence endangers my own then i'm against this. better prevent then have to fix later.

RACIST! My point is this: Integration in society. If we embrace Chinese people (for example) as equals then they will get integrated into our society faster (learn language, work with Croats, and so on). I wouldn't mind if my grandchild's or even son's name was Kim Il... If he's a good citizen of this country then he is a true Croat.

[Guiscard]

Norse, you clealry dont understand the first thing about basic economics, and your history is weak. Your views are clearly fascist-its not a "cop-out" to accurately describe someones political views. Save it for the terraces mate-your political economy is laughable.

Suggsy, you cant come here, and make these sweeping, un-based remarks. You have to at least make some kind of an effort to put across the point with evidence and fact.

Your method resembles the "your mom" type jokes...totally unfounded, totally uneccassary, and a little bit immature.

Maybe go away, and come back to me with some kind of a constructive arguement. That way you will not be laughed at and/or ignored.

Have a good one
Twill

And whats your contructive argument? 'Oh noes Immigrantz stealing my sky tv!'

There's a lot of debate in political circles, in the non-red-top press and in the political media in general, most of which gives economic and political justification for both sides of the debate... Unfortunately I've not seen any of that in your posts yet Norse, so perhaps your last two paragraphs are a mirrored rapier...

[got tonkaed]

RACIST! My point is this: Integration in society. If we embrace Chinese people (for example) as equals then they will get integrated into our society faster (learn language, work with Croats, and so on). I wouldn't mind if my grandchild's or even son's name was Kim Il... If he's a good citizen of this country then he is a true Croat.

its good to know im not the only one with a bleeding heart out there.

[Napoleon Ier]

O we were so lucky & isolated so far. But the next day all these Asians and Africans came that we had to change the name of our country to Chinawana land.

i extend my claims to point of irony, but still you know what i mean. look objectively at the situation - croats emigrating chinese and other banana-landers immigrating... this isn't a joke ignotus, we'll become minority in our own country... i have nothing against them as people but if their presence endangers my own then i'm against this. better prevent then have to fix later.

Simonov's feelings, I believe, stem from an innate, normal and healthy desire to protect his culture, against the fanfared arrival of new cultural diversity that in fact is a social plague

[Simonov]

O we were so lucky & isolated so far. But the next day all these Asians and Africans came that we had to change the name of our country to Chinawana land.

i extend my claims to point of irony, but still you know what i mean. look objectively at the situation - croats emigrating chinese and other banana-landers immigrating... this isn't a joke ignotus, we'll become minority in our own country... i have nothing against them as people but if their presence endangers my own then i'm against this. better prevent then have to fix later.

RACIST! My point is this: Integration in society. If we embrace Chinese people (for example) as equals then they will get integrated into our society faster (learn language, work with Croats, and so on). I wouldn't mind if my grandchild's or even son's name was Kim Il... If he's a good citizen of this country then he is a true Croat.

you think they will renounce their culture and heritage to integrate. you are ridiculous ignotus. if i'm a racist for wanting to my way of life and culture perserved then be so.

your children will only eat sweet and sour pork, no one will know about češnjovke anymore. it will be a disaster for human race. :lol: