Conquer Club

saxitoxin wrote:He even gave a shout-out to Brexit as an example of Trumpism sweeping the world. "Look at Brexit - it's much smaller than what we did - but look at Brexit. The Nation-State remains the best model for human happiness."

nietzsche wrote:But it's my hunch that you guys like Trump's way and will simply not say it openly. saxi, patches, tgd, you, all have an excuse to say "Trump isn't so bad", "I didn't vote for him.. but he hasn't really do nothing baad, those EO are toothless", "This might be counterintuitive but, if you think really really hard, have some acid, you'll see it's the other way around.. but i didn't vote for trump". "I've always wanted x! now i didn't vote for trump but he might get it done, by accident, so, that's why!", "He's just an adorable clown, it's not my fault millenialibtards are so sensitive"..

patches70 wrote:Manufacturing is an old industry? As in obsolete? Pray tell, explain exactly how manufacturing is obsolete.

patches70 wrote:I would say, we've been through this already if we look back through history. Before industrialization everything was hand crafted by artisans. A slow process and expensive with a high degree of specialization and years of apprenticeship and a large learning curve. The most advanced nations industrialized and put those artisans out of work. We forget but at the time people were saying the exact same thing. The artisans, the apprentices all complained they'd be put out of work, and they were. It was so bad in fact that virtually every industrialized nation when first becoming industrialized went through intense periods of strife.
The word "sabotage", it is said, comes from the word "sabot" from the Netherlands. The artisans would throw their sabots into the machines to damage and destroy the things that were taking their jobs, hence the word "sabotage".
We've all heard of the Luddites who were involved in large scale riots and gladly destroyed threshing machines. They were put down by extremely harsh punishments and crackdowns by respective governments.
But we got through it.

I'd imagine much the same can and will happen as we get more and more automated.

2dimes wrote:Was that not going to happen as soon as they started using robots to spot weld?

Yet here we are with people working more hours than they would have back when everthing would have been made manually in the 1800s.

Granted most of them are in China but you must see what I'm saying.

Robots are not needed to make things for other robots. Without people developing new exciting derailers for mountain bikes, the robots will just make the same thing until someone shuts it off.

"We have too many rotary phones. Thanks for your service."

patches70 wrote:

waauw wrote:
Dude, I said anything about debt. I was merely contradicting the out-dated mercantilist doctrines.

Oh, you mean free trade. Free trade is great. But it only works with comparable countries. Even you can't deny that. Two countries that have relative parity in standards of living and wages then free trade works great.
Where free trade doesn't work is between countries where those standards are in stark contrast. A country like France can't compete with a country like China in labor costs, the biggest expense any manufacturing process accrues.

So tell us, what is your solution to improving free trade with countries that don't have parity in regards to standards of living and wages?

That is a legitimate issue and bleating out "Free Trade is best Trade" like a lamb doesn't actually address the issue, does it? Simply saying "This isn't the 18th century anymore" doesn't address the legitimate issue either. You seem to think it does for some reason.

Then there is the issue of free trade with totalitarian regimes. You still have the exact same problems with labor costs harming the more advanced nation with the addition that the benefits for the totalitarian nation never reaches those who are the worse off in that country. Free trade benefits the dictator and his cronies but to the virtually enslaved people free trade is simply more sweat shops.
How is that address with "This isn't the 18th century anymore"?

Your "contradicting outdated mercantilists doctrines" argument lack any substance at all.

betiko wrote:Wow... now the us of a has turned into a dictatorship where only the press that throws softballs is allowed to press conferences.
Seriously guys, wake up.
Don t let this happen. When will you agree that this is too much? Just replace him by john mccain

betiko wrote:Wow... now the us of a has turned into a dictatorship where ...

saxitoxin wrote:

betiko wrote:Wow... now the us of a has turned into a dictatorship where ...

... anyone can wear a headscarf in public if they choose

(unlike F __ __ N __ E)

2dimes wrote:Was that not going to happen as soon as they started using robots to spot weld?

Yet here we are with people working more hours than they would have back when everthing would have been made manually in the 1800s.

Granted most of them are in China but you must see what I'm saying.

Robots are not needed to make things for other robots. Without people developing new exciting derailers for mountain bikes, the robots will just make the same thing until someone shuts it off.

"We have too many rotary phones. Thanks for your service."

mrswdk wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

betiko wrote:Wow... now the us of a has turned into a dictatorship where ...

... anyone can wear a headscarf in public if they choose

(unlike F __ __ N __ E)

... the police aren't allowed to raid Muslims' homes without just cause

(unlike F R __ __ C __)

NEW THREAD PLEASE

waauw wrote:

mrswdk wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

betiko wrote:Wow... now the us of a has turned into a dictatorship where ...

... anyone can wear a headscarf in public if they choose

(unlike F __ __ N __ E)

... the police aren't allowed to raid Muslims' homes without just cause

(unlike F R __ __ C __)

NEW THREAD PLEASE

... government isn't allowed to arrest people indefinitely without a trial with the mere excuse of 'terrorism'

(unlike C_I_A or _SA)

saxitoxin wrote:

betiko wrote:Wow... now the us of a has turned into a dictatorship where ...

... anyone can wear a headscarf in public if they choose

(unlike F __ __ N __ E)

Woodruff wrote:
Well yes...I suppose you can just stick your head in the sand if that's what you want to do.

I hope you're one of the rich guys who won't have to worry about anything once robotics are doing all of the work? If you're not, you're not thinking things through very well...because they'll be the only ones with any recourse, if we don't start changing our perspective on what will allow our society to continue to thrive then.

saxitoxin wrote:

betiko wrote:Wow... now the us of a has turned into a dictatorship where ...

... anyone can wear a headscarf in public if they choose

(unlike F __ __ N __ E)

mrswdk wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

betiko wrote:Wow... now the us of a has turned into a dictatorship where ...

... anyone can wear a headscarf in public if they choose

(unlike F __ __ N __ E)

... the police aren't allowed to raid Muslims' homes without just cause

(unlike F R __ __ C __)

NEW THREAD PLEASE

betiko wrote: Yeah right... like during the patriot act you stupid f*ck.
France has been attacked like 5 times in the last 2 years and there is a state of emergency that had been declared. If some "muslim homes" are raided as you said, it's not because there is no just cause, it's because there is at least a strong suspicion and the house or owners are linked to something.

Now do us a favour and get a life mrswdk. Spending all your free time at your age masturbating on hentai over the internet while pretending to be a chinese lady isn't doing any good to your mental balance.

betiko wrote:Lol... try again! What you can t do is wear religious symbols in public schools such as christian crosses or headscarfs, nor if you are working as a public servant. Not in public, you didn't do your homework.

Tg, see, that's why you vote trump.. some idiot such as saxi comes up with "facts" and you follow him blatantly without even checking if what he's saying is true (zing!)

betiko wrote:

Woodruff wrote:

2dimes wrote:Was that not going to happen as soon as they started using robots to spot weld?

Yet here we are with people working more hours than they would have back when everthing would have been made manually in the 1800s.

Granted most of them are in China but you must see what I'm saying.

Robots are not needed to make things for other robots. Without people developing new exciting derailers for mountain bikes, the robots will just make the same thing until someone shuts it off.

"We have too many rotary phones. Thanks for your service."

Well yes...I suppose you can just stick your head in the sand if that's what you want to do.

I hope you're one of the rich guys who won't have to worry about anything once robotics are doing all of the work? If you're not, you're not thinking things through very well...because they'll be the only ones with any recourse, if we don't start changing our perspective on what will allow our society to continue to thrive then.

mrswdk wrote:

waauw wrote:

mrswdk wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

betiko wrote:Wow... now the us of a has turned into a dictatorship where ...

... anyone can wear a headscarf in public if they choose

(unlike F __ __ N __ E)

... the police aren't allowed to raid Muslims' homes without just cause

(unlike F R __ __ C __)

NEW THREAD PLEASE

... government isn't allowed to arrest people indefinitely without a trial with the mere excuse of 'terrorism'

(unlike C_I_A or _SA)

Wait, who are you claiming can and can't do that? Because police in France can.

Woodruff wrote:

nietzsche wrote:But it's my hunch that you guys like Trump's way and will simply not say it openly. saxi, patches, tgd, you, all have an excuse to say "Trump isn't so bad", "I didn't vote for him.. but he hasn't really do nothing baad, those EO are toothless", "This might be counterintuitive but, if you think really really hard, have some acid, you'll see it's the other way around.. but i didn't vote for trump". "I've always wanted x! now i didn't vote for trump but he might get it done, by accident, so, that's why!", "He's just an adorable clown, it's not my fault millenialibtards are so sensitive"..

What gets me is the UTTER OUTRAGE we would have seen from some of these individuals (as well as most of us on the left) if Obama had said some of the things that Trump has said. The hypocricy of these individuals is incredible.

thegreekdog wrote:
And for what it's worth, if you listed the most intelligent people on CC, the top 10 would include me, Saxi, and patches.