Conquer Club

Posted: **Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:11 pm**

saxitoxin wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:What steps have been taken by the US to assist Syrian rebels?

Sanctions against the legal government of Syria to limit its access to cash to prosecute the war:
http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center ... /syria.pdf

I find it fascinating that the section on prohibited transactions explicitly includes:

"The importation into the United States of petroleum or petroleum products of Syrian origin"

Posted: **Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:17 pm**

Metsfanmax wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:What steps have been taken by the US to assist Syrian rebels?

Sanctions against the legal government of Syria to limit its access to cash to prosecute the war:
http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center ... /syria.pdf

I find it fascinating that the section on prohibited transactions explicitly includes:

"The importation into the United States of petroleum or petroleum products of Syrian origin"

No impact on the U.S.; Syria produces very little oil by Middle East standards and exports the tiny surplus it doesn't use itself to Europe. Syria produces more figs and dates than oil.

Posted: **Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:21 pm**

OK, I have to leave for a couple days so this is all from me for a bit. Before I go, I am laying down a blanket contingency post that everything Duke posts after this I totally disagree with, etc., etc., infinity forever.

Posted: **Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:32 pm**

Since Saxi has left, he probably missed this little tidbit. Just now, the Iraq government issued a statement in response to Obama. Obama said that he would offer support to Iraq to fight off the Syrian rebel factions sweeping through Iraq, but Obama called on the Iraq government to "reach out" to the Sunni politicians.

The Iraq government's response was to accuse Saudi Arabia of being behind the ISIL offensive in Iraq-

Official Iraq Statement wrote:"We hold them responsible for supporting these groups financially and morally, and for the outcome of that - which includes crimes that may qualify as genocide: the spilling of Iraqi blood, the destruction of Iraqi state institutions and historic and religious sites," the Iraqi government said of Riyadh in a statement.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/ ... KJ20140617

Of course, Saudi Arabia accuses the Shia government in Iraq as being the instigators in this farce.

Yeah, so who's side to we take? The Saudi's, who is our ally BTW, or Iraq, who is our foster child. Decisions, decisions.

Posted: **Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:12 pm**

Posted: **Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:53 pm**

Dukasaur wrote:

Posted: **Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:55 am**

Shiites will overwhelm these Sunni terrorists. Saudi Arabia is financing Sunni terrorism and we should condemn them for this.

America will be energy self sufficient in a few years and can finally tell Saudi Arabia to go F$&k themselves.

Posted: **Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:27 am**

kuthoer wrote:Shiites will overwhelm these Sunni terrorists. Saudi Arabia is financing Sunni terrorism and we should condemn them for this.

America will be energy self sufficient in a few years and can finally tell Saudi Arabia to go F$&k themselves.

You are so clueless.

How much oil do you think the US imports from Saudi Arabia?

Hint for ya, we aren't allies with Saudi Arabia because we need them to import oil to us. We are allies with Saudi Arabia because they sell their oil in dollars. Which means that every country that gets oil from Saudi Arabia needs to get US dollars from the US.

It's called the Petrodollar and Saudi Arabia is the key player in the petrodollar scheme system.

And also, the US is financing Sunni extremists. Shouldn't the US be condemned as well?

Also, so you want Iran to prevail? Isn't Iran as bad as Saudi Arabia? Is Iran now one of the "good guys"?

Also, if it's because of oil imports that we can't tell Saudi Arabia to "f*ck off" right now, then guess what? We can tell them to f*ck off right now if we wanted-

Posted: **Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:03 am**

patches70 wrote:
kuthoer wrote:Shiites will overwhelm these Sunni terrorists. Saudi Arabia is financing Sunni terrorism and we should condemn them for this.

America will be energy self sufficient in a few years and can finally tell Saudi Arabia to go F$&k themselves.

You are so clueless.

How much oil do you think the US imports from Saudi Arabia?

Hint for ya, we aren't allies with Saudi Arabia because we need them to import oil to us. We are allies with Saudi Arabia because they sell their oil in dollars. Which means that every country that gets oil from Saudi Arabia needs to get US dollars from the US.

It's called the Petrodollar and Saudi Arabia is the key player in the petrodollar scheme system.

And also, the US is financing Sunni extremists. Shouldn't the US be condemned as well?

Also, so you want Iran to prevail? Isn't Iran as bad as Saudi Arabia? Is Iran now one of the "good guys"?

Also, if it's because of oil imports that we can't tell Saudi Arabia to "f*ck off" right now, then guess what? We can tell them to f*ck off right now if we wanted-

Screw Saudi Arabia, we're propping them up with keeping the sea lanes open. This cost American taxpayers Tens of billions of dollars a year.

Yea, I want Iran to prevail in Iraq. Guess how many Saudis were in those planes who crashed the planes in New York? It's Saudi Arabia who's financing this Sunni push into Iraq and Syria. Guess you would rather have these terrorists controlling Iraq and Syria, huh?

Who's making all the money keeping oil prices high, with all this instability? Oil companies and those inbred Saudi Princes.

Posted: **Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:34 am**

So much wrong with your statements. Let's start with what's right.

kuthoer wrote:
Screw Saudi Arabia,

Sure! I agree actually, screw Saudi Arabia. I don't like the House of Saud at all. BUT, there is the pesky little problem of our entire monetary system relies on Saudi Arabia (the #1 oil reserves in the world and the #2 oil exporter in the world) and that our control over the dollar is what has given the US her edge.

I'm not sure you appreciate how much life would (will) change when this paradigm changes. In fact, I don't think you've given such a thing even a passing thought. You may be well served meditating on that for a bit before you allow your opinion to be dictated by pure emotion.

kuth wrote: we're propping them up with keeping the sea lanes open. This cost American taxpayers Tens of billions of dollars a year.

I'm not even really sure this is....you do realize that one of the jobs of the Congress as per the Constitution is to combat piracy and to, you know, keep the sea lanes open for trade, right? Saudi Arabia does have trade deals with the US and with US allies. We pretty much have to assist in keeping sea lanes open. Read the Constitution.

kuth wrote:Yea, I want Iran to prevail in Iraq.

Ok then, fear not, US actions have made that pretty much a sure thing, much to the anger of Saudi Arabia. We are teetering on the edge of that petrodollar problem we have, that we have to keep the petrodollar going for as long as we can. But ok, you are rooting for Iran. I ain't rooting for any of them.

kuth wrote: Guess how many Saudis were in those planes who crashed the planes in New York?

Pretty much all of them. You think the Saudi government is behind 9/11? Hey, maybe they were, but if we know that to be fact it's all been redacted for national security.
Don't get me wrong, the House of Saud is very good at playing both sides of things. They have to, get people hating on other people to keep everyone from trying to overthrow the House of Saud. That's why the House of Saud are assholes.

kuth wrote: It's Saudi Arabia who's financing this Sunni push into Iraq and Syria.

Don't forget or fail to mention, it's also the US who is financing the Sunni push into Syria, and by extension, Iraq. The US is just as guilty as Saudi Arabia aren't we?

kuth wrote: Guess you would rather have these terrorists controlling Iraq and Syria, huh?

I don't give a shit who controls Iraq or Syria. Not one bit.

kuth wrote:Who's making all the money keeping oil prices high, with all this instability? Oil companies and those inbred Saudi Princes.

Don't forget, Russia, US, Canada, Mexico, Argentina, Nigeria. Every oil and energy producers.

And all this instability? It's not the instability that causes the rising oil prices. When hasn't the middle east been unstable?

There is another reason that oil and energy prices keep climbing but I'm afraid you'd find that explanation too boring. But, the instability makes a good scapegoat to blame rising prices on. Keeps everyone from considering and understanding the boring reason and thus learning how badly the average Joe is screwed.

In summation, Kutheor, today you are all for Iran. And when the war drums heat back up for why the US needs to smack Iran down, you'll be yelling about how evil they are and completely forget that you were rooting for Iran the day before.

You should probably tell president Obama to stop fucking with Assad in Syria because Assad is fighting against those very Sunni terrorists funded by Saudi Arabia that you are bitching about. I seem to remember you bitching a whole lot about Putin, but it turns out that Putin was right.

My God, the mental leaps of logic you have to hurl over to have such contradictory opinions. You realize you are arguing the same points as Putin, right?
Should I go and quote out your most memorable bashings of Putin and ask if you'd like to amend those opinion?

Dude, you need to take a deep breath, stop simply buying into whatever narrative is being presented to you at any particular moment by the propaganda, and think for a little while and actually look into things for yourself.

I wish you the best of luck in your rantings, regardless. I have to admit your contradictions across various intersecting issues is amusing. You are very good at compartmentalizing and basing your rants on a single puzzle piece instead of actually, you know, putting the puzzle together first and then deciding how you feel about the picture.

Your government thanks you for your highly malleable mind.

Posted: **Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:27 pm**

Patches you ignorant slut! Just had to say that, ha-ha-ha!

Saudi Arabia needs us, PERIOD! Without our past and present military, Saudi Arabia would be swallowed up by Iran and/or Iraq.

Saudi Arabia needs to be slapped around and shown the door, if they continue financing Sunni terrorism.

These Saudi princes would piss in their pants if we withdraw our support from them. Petro dollars mean nothing without the full backing of America. Saudi Arabia can go pound sand, they only have oil and America is getting close to being energy sufficient.

As far as your comment about Putin being right? What the heck are you blabbering about?

Posted: **Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:41 pm**

kuthoer wrote:Saudi Arabia needs to be slapped around and shown the door

That's a fun revenge fantasy, isn't it? But it is a fantasy. If the U.S. were gonna slap the Saudis they would have done it already. The people who control the U.S. military, treasury, and lawmaking capabilities are all on the Saudi payroll. Quaint ideas like nationality and citizenship only concern you and me; leadership takes place at a different level, in an interconnected nexus of institutions and social relations. America is paid to provide a service and it will dutifully continue providing it. The U.S. will do as it's told.

Anyway, panic in Baghdad as ISIS - seemingly impervious to last ditch, desperate airstrikes by the IQAF - pushes through collapsing resistance ...

A strategic border crossing and three other towns in western Iraq fell Saturday to the control of ISIS. Together, the four towns are situated along a highway from Syria to Baghdad, heightening possibilities that the militants could now march from the west to lay siege to the Iraqi capital.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/21/world/mea ... ?hpt=hp_t1

Posted: **Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:07 am**

Anyway, panic in Baghdad as ISIS - seemingly impervious to last ditch, desperate airstrikes by the IQAF - pushes through collapsing resistance ...

A strategic border crossing and three other towns in western Iraq fell Saturday to the control of ISIS. Together, the four towns are situated along a highway from Syria to Baghdad, heightening possibilities that the militants could now march from the west to lay siege to the Iraqi capital.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/21/world/mea ... ?hpt=hp_t1

Posted: **Sun Jun 22, 2014 8:18 am**

Despite one of the biggest antagonists in this thread being banned, I do hope that good ol' saxi will continue with the updates. I've been following these developments rather closely.

Bollocks.

Posted: **Sun Jun 22, 2014 3:08 pm**

Serbia wrote:Despite one of the biggest antagonists in this thread being banned, I do hope that good ol' saxi will continue with the updates. I've been following these developments rather closely.

Bollocks.

everything he got away with over the last month.....the ban was probably worth it.

My foe status and been vindicated. It's only for the worst of the worst.

Posted: **Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:09 pm**

The Syrian Arab Air Force has come to the aid of Iraq by providing air support to what's left of the Iraqi army -

Locals in the Iraqi border town of al-Qaim, captured by ISIL several days ago, say Syrian jets carried out strikes against militants on the Iraqi side of the frontier this week, marking the first time Assad's air forces have come to Baghdad's aid.

Publicly, Baghdad, which operates helicopters but no jets, said its own forces carried out the air strike. But a senior Iraqi government official confirmed on condition of anonymity that the strike was mounted by Assad's air force.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/ ... me=topNews

So brave Syrian aviators are protecting American and European citizens from the resurgence of Salafist extremism and Obama repays it with sanctions, shipping material to rebels trying to overthrow the government, and occasionally threatening to bomb Damascus.

The SAAF was designed and built to free Jerusalem, but America and Israel have successfully managed to tie it down fighting ISIS instead. Brilliant strategy in the short-term. The long-term fallout won't be seen for a decade or more; just like Reagan's support for Afghanistan insurgents in the 80s set the stage for 9/11.

Posted: **Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:54 pm**

a SAAF MiG-29 saluting the Syrian Arab Army last month after they recaptured UNESCO World Heritage Site Krak des Chevaliers from ISIS/FSA

Posted: **Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:00 pm**

You know Obama asked Congress for another $500 million to arm Syrian rebels with more advanced weapons than before. Obama promises to only arm moderate terrorists this time .

True story, you can't make this shit up.

Posted: **Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:45 pm**

patches70 wrote:You know Obama asked Congress for another $500 million to arm Syrian rebels with more advanced weapons than before. Obama promises to only arm moderate terrorists this time .

True story, you can't make this shit up.

Yep, and just today, too. It's un-fucking believable. If Obama's favorite "rebels" overthrow the Syrian government (which they can't; the most the aid will do will drag the war out a little longer and up the body count a few thousand) there would be no Syrian air force left to provide air support to Iraqi government.

But Obama and McCain and the rest don't care about any of this. The #1 priority is to weaken and destabilize all of Israel's neighbors. If ISIS ends up carving out its own beard-ocracy and uses it to plan the leveling of Madison Square Garden, well, that's just the cost of protecting Israel. If the collapse of Syria means Obama has to drop 10,000 American troops into Iraq to shore-up the Prime Minister of the Hour, well whatever ... there are plenty of Americans to throw into the meat-grinder, but Israelis are God's chosen people (and write big campaign checks).

Bashar al-Assad, the Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party and the Syrian National Progressive Front are doing more to protect Americans and Europeans right now from a return to the dark ages than any of their own governments.

Posted: **Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:33 am**

Do you think the Sunnis and Shiites will kill each other to the last man in both countries leaving the door open for the Kurds and remaining Christians?

Posted: **Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:00 pm**

notyou2 wrote:Do you think the Sunnis and Shiites will kill each other to the last man in both countries leaving the door open for the Kurds and remaining Christians?

Well, the Kurdish forces are taking over territory that was supposed to be their's to begin with. Much of that territory was abandoned by the Iraqi "army" and ISIS doesn't want to have to fight on 2 fronts, especially against a force that won't run and won't show mercy to them.

Posted: **Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:37 pm**

muy_thaiguy wrote:
notyou2 wrote:Do you think the Sunnis and Shiites will kill each other to the last man in both countries leaving the door open for the Kurds and remaining Christians?

Well, the Kurdish forces are taking over territory that was supposed to be their's to begin with. Much of that territory was abandoned by the Iraqi "army" and ISIS doesn't want to have to fight on 2 fronts, especially against a force that won't run and won't show mercy to them.

Perhaps the Iraqi christians can seek shelter in Kurdish territories.

Posted: **Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:23 pm**

notyou2 wrote:Do you think the Sunnis and Shiites will kill each other to the last man in both countries leaving the door open for the Kurds and remaining Christians?

This is not a war between Sunni and Shia (unless you mean Shia LaBeauf, in which case Phatscotty is on the side of the Shia), it is a war between secularists who support women's rights, like president Bashar al-Assad (and also moderate non-secular governments and parties like Iran and Hezbollah) on the one hand, and the Middle Eastern version of Fred Phelps (Abu Bakr), who want a Beardocracy, on the other.

Western media try to play up the Sunni/Shia angle so people dismiss this as run-of-the-mill communal violence. If they presented it in its true terms most westerners would be confused why their own governments are trying to topple Dr. Assad. The electorate needs things put in exactly two neat boxes so people can choose which box they want to climb into. When they're not in these neat boxes they look elsewhere for answers and that just can't be allowed to happen!

Posted: **Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:13 am**

ISIS has declared itself a nation and declared all the territory under its control to be the new Caliphate. Abu Bakr has been crowned Caliph as His Eminence Ibrahim I. None of this would have happened if the U.S. hadn't invaded Iraq. All of it could have been stopped if the U.S. hadn't attacked Libya and Syria.

This handy map shows in blood red the areas now under the control of the Caliphate. In maroon the areas the Caliphate claims its territory and it is in the process of capturing. The crowning of a new Caliph should firmly unite all of the scattered forces of the Salafist fundamentalist phenomenon throughout the world under the control of Abu Bakr and unleash a force so powerful that civilization will be powerless to resist; 9/11 and 7/7 will look like Sunday picnics. The Syrian National Progressive Front and the leader, president Dr. Bashr al-Assad, is the only force standing between civilization and the victory of the Caliphate. The U.S. and Israel are continuing to try to topple Dr. Assad. IOW, the U.S.' house is completely engulfed in flames but it's trying to paint the living room a new color.

Posted: **Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:12 am**

notyou2 wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:
notyou2 wrote:Do you think the Sunnis and Shiites will kill each other to the last man in both countries leaving the door open for the Kurds and remaining Christians?

Well, the Kurdish forces are taking over territory that was supposed to be their's to begin with. Much of that territory was abandoned by the Iraqi "army" and ISIS doesn't want to have to fight on 2 fronts, especially against a force that won't run and won't show mercy to them.

Perhaps the Iraqi christians can seek shelter in Kurdish territories.

The Assyrian Christians (long descriminated against group in Iraq, but not by the Kurds at least) fled one of the cities that was mostly Christian when ISIS came to it and began shelling it. A few stayed, but most are not fighters. The Peshmerga are in charge of that area, so they began fighting back, but hard to say at this point how well it will go there. Though the Assyrian Christians just want to be left alone in general (can't really blame them for that).

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