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Should have had his score reset to zero for being a prick... waht punishment is it to go back to 2800?

trevor33 wrote:Should have had his score reset to zero for being a prick... waht punishment is it to go back to 2800?

That's where he was at before this all started unfortunately. I think it would be hilarious if he was reset to the lowest score after rapidly finishing his losing games, but obviously that won't happen.

i think this topic should be changed from CONGRATS THECROWN into CONGRATS THECLOWN

HardAttack wrote:i think this topic should be changed from CONGRATS THECROWN into CONGRATS THECLOWN

where is the like button on CC forums

HardAttack wrote:i think this topic should be changed from CONGRATS THECROWN into CONGRATS THECLOWN

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iAmCaffeine wrote:

trevor33 wrote:Should have had his score reset to zero for being a prick... waht punishment is it to go back to 2800?

That's where he was at before this all started unfortunately. I think it would be hilarious if he was reset to the lowest score after rapidly finishing his losing games, but obviously that won't happen.

He has basically recieved no punishment for this, hey no worries about that $5 million you stole from our bank, we'll just take the money back and you can go on your way. Obviously one is a game and another is a serious crime but both results are the same - do a bad thing and get no punishment, what's going to happen when the next person does it to get their lulz and a couple of days on top of the scoreboard? Has to be the same non-punishment as TheCrown got.

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He went back to where he was after doing something wrong, that's not a punishment, that's brushing it under the carpet and pretending nothing happened. Fair point about how it would affect his opponents but taking just 500 points off wouldn't have much effect on his future oppoent, a point here and there... agree sending him down to zero would be extreme but going back to his orginal score is just letting him off with it.

trevor33 wrote:He went back to where he was after doing something wrong, that's not a punishment, that's brushing it under the carpet and pretending nothing happened. Fair point about how it would affect his opponents but taking just 500 points off wouldn't have much effect on his future oppoent, a point here and there... agree sending him down to zero would be extreme but going back to his orginal score is just letting him off with it.

I agree with BG here. If you put him at 1000, the same thing will happen...he'll take too many points from his opponents and we'll have a similar (though not as extreme) situation.

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BGtheBrain wrote:

trevor33 wrote:He went back to where he was after doing something wrong, that's not a punishment, that's brushing it under the carpet and pretending nothing happened. Fair point about how it would affect his opponents but taking just 500 points off wouldn't have much effect on his future oppoent, a point here and there... agree sending him down to zero would be extreme but going back to his orginal score is just letting him off with it.

His score was reset to pre-infraction activity. He was stripped of the medal he obtained. He is ineligible for the prizes he qualified for (if any). He received (Im assuming) his first major infraction. The punishment for your first major is a warning.

Everything was done in accordance to the guidelines. The medal stripping, prize eligibility, and partial score reset were additional punishments.

I dont know what else could be done.

The way it is now it's like nothing had happaned, how is that going to deter others from doing this knowing they can have their couple of days on top of the leader borad and just go back to how it was before? I'd expect about 500 points to be kncoked off his score, just as a symbolic gesture more than anything. He was stripped of awards he wasn't entitled to, that's not a punishment.

trevor33 wrote:The way it is now it's like nothing had happaned, how is that going to deter others from doing this knowing they can have their couple of days on top of the leader borad and just go back to how it was before? I'd expect about 500 points to be kncoked off his score, just as a symbolic gesture more than anything. He was stripped of awards he wasn't entitled to, that's not a punishment.

The punishment is moving up the Major Infraction Scale. Do you think that his actions are more significant than other Major Infractions and should be dealt with differently or do you think that the Major Infraction system isn't harsh enough?

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spiesr wrote:

trevor33 wrote:The way it is now it's like nothing had happaned, how is that going to deter others from doing this knowing they can have their couple of days on top of the leader borad and just go back to how it was before? I'd expect about 500 points to be kncoked off his score, just as a symbolic gesture more than anything. He was stripped of awards he wasn't entitled to, that's not a punishment.

The punishment is moving up the Major Infraction Scale. Do you think that his actions are more significant than other Major Infractions and should be dealt with differently or do you think that the Major Infraction system isn't harsh enough?

I don't have any knowledge of the Major Infraction system but i do feel that this case could and should have been dealt with differently, lets face it when has anyone else caused such a stir in the forums and just had his score reset and non-deserved awards removed?

trevor33 wrote:

spiesr wrote:

trevor33 wrote:The way it is now it's like nothing had happaned, how is that going to deter others from doing this knowing they can have their couple of days on top of the leader borad and just go back to how it was before? I'd expect about 500 points to be kncoked off his score, just as a symbolic gesture more than anything. He was stripped of awards he wasn't entitled to, that's not a punishment.

The punishment is moving up the Major Infraction Scale. Do you think that his actions are more significant than other Major Infractions and should be dealt with differently or do you think that the Major Infraction system isn't harsh enough?

I don't have any knowledge of the Major Infraction system but i do feel that this case could and should have been dealt with differently, lets face it when has anyone else caused such a stir in the forums and just had his score reset and non-deserved awards removed?

I guess you just don't believe in second chances? This is what the ladder is for.

trevor33 wrote:

spiesr wrote:

trevor33 wrote:The way it is now it's like nothing had happaned, how is that going to deter others from doing this knowing they can have their couple of days on top of the leader borad and just go back to how it was before? I'd expect about 500 points to be kncoked off his score, just as a symbolic gesture more than anything. He was stripped of awards he wasn't entitled to, that's not a punishment.

The punishment is moving up the Major Infraction Scale. Do you think that his actions are more significant than other Major Infractions and should be dealt with differently or do you think that the Major Infraction system isn't harsh enough?

I don't have any knowledge of the Major Infraction system but i do feel that this case could and should have been dealt with differently, lets face it when has anyone else caused such a stir in the forums and just had his score reset and non-deserved awards removed?

Can't remember off hand... I think they've [probably been a little more lenient in previous times

trevor33 wrote:

BGtheBrain wrote:

trevor33 wrote:He went back to where he was after doing something wrong, that's not a punishment, that's brushing it under the carpet and pretending nothing happened. Fair point about how it would affect his opponents but taking just 500 points off wouldn't have much effect on his future oppoent, a point here and there... agree sending him down to zero would be extreme but going back to his orginal score is just letting him off with it.

His score was reset to pre-infraction activity. He was stripped of the medal he obtained. He is ineligible for the prizes he qualified for (if any). He received (Im assuming) his first major infraction. The punishment for your first major is a warning.

Everything was done in accordance to the guidelines. The medal stripping, prize eligibility, and partial score reset were additional punishments.

I dont know what else could be done.

The way it is now it's like nothing had happaned, how is that going to deter others from doing this knowing they can have their couple of days on top of the leader borad and just go back to how it was before? I'd expect about 500 points to be kncoked off his score, just as a symbolic gesture more than anything. He was stripped of awards he wasn't entitled to, that's not a punishment.

I think the punishment is sufficient. Thecrown spent 18 hours a day to accomplish nothing. I really don't mind if other idiots will spent almost an entire day to accomplish nothing but a serious warning, and I don't think anyone will try this anymore.
To get an extra 500 score of his points would be nothing compared to the punishments he allready got, I think the admins handled this very good.

There has been Conquerors that achieved their score through shenanigans as well and still have their Conqueror medal; will they be stripped; no they won't. This case shouldn't be any different. The top score was achieved in this case and was done in an extreme way that most of us do on a daily basis or have done in the past; whether done once or a thousand times, the end result should be the same throughout the community. I don't condone TheCrown's actions in any way, however, he found a means to reach the top by a strategy that he discovered fruitful. The only violation I personally see in this case is the "hostage holding" in several games, which should only require a warning if he hasn't received any infractions previously. If there were any evidence of his clanmates throwing games, I assume the MODS would have mentioned that and held TheCrown and his clanmates responsible. He should have been able to keep his score and medal.

codeblue1018 wrote:There has been Conquerors that achieved their score through shenanigans as well and still have their Conqueror medal; will they be stripped; no they won't. This case shouldn't be any different. The top score was achieved in this case and was done in an extreme way that most of us do on a daily basis or have done in the past; whether done once or a thousand times, the end result should be the same throughout the community. I don't condone TheCrown's actions in any way, however, he found a means to reach the top by a strategy that he discovered fruitful. The only violation I personally see in this case is the "hostage holding" in several games, which should only require a warning if he hasn't received any infractions previously. If there were any evidence of his clanmates throwing games, I assume the MODS would have mentioned that and held TheCrown and his clanmates responsible. He should have been able to keep his score and medal.

Here you are wrong. This strategy is well known and has been used before. Players have been punished for this abuse also in the past.
Past conquerors used different schemes to get to the top rank to, but most of them also lost their medal or never got one. (Kiron, Warsteiner)

This is the list of current conquerors, IMO every player deserves that medal except for GLG:


Date Awarded Medal Recipient
2011-10-24 23:55:17 Conqueror Achievement gibbom 1.0
2011-10-24 23:57:17 Conqueror Achievement yosevuk n/a
2011-10-24 23:59:09 Conqueror Achievement SkyT 4.7
2011-10-25 00:01:16 Conqueror Achievement comic boy 5.0
2011-10-25 00:03:03 Conqueror Achievement sjnap 4.8
2011-10-25 00:04:21 Conqueror Achievement poo-maker 4.9
2011-10-25 00:05:58 Conqueror Achievement Scott-Land 4.7
2011-10-25 00:07:25 Conqueror Achievement King_Herpes 4.6
2011-10-25 00:08:45 Conqueror Achievement karelpietertje 4.7
2011-10-25 00:10:00 Conqueror Achievement demonfork 3.9
2011-10-25 00:11:14 Conqueror Achievement rabbiton 4.7
2011-10-25 00:12:31 Conqueror Achievement KingOfGods 4.8
2011-10-25 00:14:37 Conqueror Achievement Blitzaholic 4.8
2011-10-25 00:15:54 Conqueror Achievement Emmdizzle 4.8
2011-10-25 00:17:06 Conqueror Achievement thebest712 4.8
2011-10-25 00:18:24 Conqueror Achievement ljex 4.6
2011-10-25 00:19:23 Conqueror Achievement mc05025 4.8
2011-12-29 17:41:57 Conqueror Achievement Gen.LeeGettinhed 4.7
2012-02-15 07:29:43 Conqueror Achievement JOHNNYROCKET24 4.7
2012-07-23 19:02:56 Conqueror Achievement mhennigan 4.8
2012-11-08 22:47:21 Conqueror Achievement ccatman 4.7
2012-11-20 13:00:31 Conqueror Achievement 100mates 4.8
2012-11-20 13:00:31 Conqueror Achievement Kaskavel 4.8
2013-05-24 01:33:21 Conqueror Achievement ahunda 5.0
2013-07-09 01:14:39 Conqueror Achievement ISN2 4.7
2013-07-17 21:32:40 Conqueror Achievement Aaarrrrggh 5.0
2013-08-03 02:40:30 Conqueror Achievement Velvecarrots 4.9
2013-08-03 02:41:15 Conqueror Achievement josko.ri 4.9

frankiebee wrote:

codeblue1018 wrote:There has been Conquerors that achieved their score through shenanigans as well and still have their Conqueror medal; will they be stripped; no they won't. This case shouldn't be any different. The top score was achieved in this case and was done in an extreme way that most of us do on a daily basis or have done in the past; whether done once or a thousand times, the end result should be the same throughout the community. I don't condone TheCrown's actions in any way, however, he found a means to reach the top by a strategy that he discovered fruitful. The only violation I personally see in this case is the "hostage holding" in several games, which should only require a warning if he hasn't received any infractions previously. If there were any evidence of his clanmates throwing games, I assume the MODS would have mentioned that and held TheCrown and his clanmates responsible. He should have been able to keep his score and medal.

Here you are wrong. This strategy is well known and has been used before. Players have been punished for this abuse also in the past.
Past conquerors used different schemes to get to the top rank to, but most of them also lost their medal or never got one. (Kiron, Warsteiner)

This is the list of current conquerors, IMO every player deserves that medal except for GLG:


Date Awarded Medal Recipient
2011-10-24 23:55:17 Conqueror Achievement gibbom 1.0
2011-10-24 23:57:17 Conqueror Achievement yosevuk n/a
2011-10-24 23:59:09 Conqueror Achievement SkyT 4.7
2011-10-25 00:01:16 Conqueror Achievement comic boy 5.0
2011-10-25 00:03:03 Conqueror Achievement sjnap 4.8
2011-10-25 00:04:21 Conqueror Achievement poo-maker 4.9
2011-10-25 00:05:58 Conqueror Achievement Scott-Land 4.7
2011-10-25 00:07:25 Conqueror Achievement King_Herpes 4.6
2011-10-25 00:08:45 Conqueror Achievement karelpietertje 4.7
2011-10-25 00:10:00 Conqueror Achievement demonfork 3.9
2011-10-25 00:11:14 Conqueror Achievement rabbiton 4.7
2011-10-25 00:12:31 Conqueror Achievement KingOfGods 4.8
2011-10-25 00:14:37 Conqueror Achievement Blitzaholic 4.8
2011-10-25 00:15:54 Conqueror Achievement Emmdizzle 4.8
2011-10-25 00:17:06 Conqueror Achievement thebest712 4.8
2011-10-25 00:18:24 Conqueror Achievement ljex 4.6
2011-10-25 00:19:23 Conqueror Achievement mc05025 4.8
2011-12-29 17:41:57 Conqueror Achievement Gen.LeeGettinhed 4.7
2012-02-15 07:29:43 Conqueror Achievement JOHNNYROCKET24 4.7
2012-07-23 19:02:56 Conqueror Achievement mhennigan 4.8
2012-11-08 22:47:21 Conqueror Achievement ccatman 4.7
2012-11-20 13:00:31 Conqueror Achievement 100mates 4.8
2012-11-20 13:00:31 Conqueror Achievement Kaskavel 4.8
2013-05-24 01:33:21 Conqueror Achievement ahunda 5.0
2013-07-09 01:14:39 Conqueror Achievement ISN2 4.7
2013-07-17 21:32:40 Conqueror Achievement Aaarrrrggh 5.0
2013-08-03 02:40:30 Conqueror Achievement Velvecarrots 4.9
2013-08-03 02:41:15 Conqueror Achievement josko.ri 4.9

As I mentioned mate, some conquerors still hold their medal; GLG - the sites biggest, habitual violator. The type of practice that TheCrown displayed is done on a daily basis by many, many people to a small degree, which is why it's not a topic of discussion. It only became relevant in this case as it was done in an extreme manner.

Agent 86 wrote:

HardAttack wrote:i think this topic should be changed from CONGRATS THECROWN into CONGRATS THECLOWN

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thanks pal

HardAttack wrote:

Agent 86 wrote:

HardAttack wrote:i think this topic should be changed from CONGRATS THECROWN into CONGRATS THECLOWN

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thanks pal

Challenge him to a series and see if you can beat him... you might not be calling him a clown then...

archer3base wrote:

HardAttack wrote:

Agent 86 wrote:

HardAttack wrote:i think this topic should be changed from CONGRATS THECROWN into CONGRATS THECLOWN

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thanks pal

Challenge him to a series and see if you can beat him... you might not be calling him a clown then...

i do recognize him, his abilities and his being a strong gamer.
what i am doing is messing, so dont seek serious stuff much over my words

lol

archer3base wrote:

HardAttack wrote:

Agent 86 wrote:

HardAttack wrote:i think this topic should be changed from CONGRATS THECROWN into CONGRATS THECLOWN

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thanks pal

Challenge him to a series and see if you can beat him... you might not be calling him a clown then...

Aggh, people so serious. He is definitely a worthy player. Just having a laugh What he actually achieved was remarkable but unfortunately it involved a little collusion. Should he get the conqueror medal, yeah I think he should for innovation. Certainly better than some of the conqueror's especially GLG.

codeblue1018 wrote:There has been Conquerors that achieved their score through shenanigans as well and still have their Conqueror medal; will they be stripped; no they won't. This case shouldn't be any different.

I don't think this is a valid argument. I'm going to use an analogy that you as an American will hopefully easily understand.

In the past in America people used to be able to beat their wives and commit hate crimes without repercussions (former CC conquerors abusing the system). Does that mean that since it wasn't punished in the past that America (CC) shouldn't have evolved and realized this is not an acceptable or allowable behavior for the people (cc community) at large? Just because a wrong was not punished in the past does not mean that it should be allowed in the present or future.

I do agree with you that any conqueror who got their medal by shennanigans should have it stripped.

If a case was proved against those former conquerors in the C&A forum and the mods didn't do anything then they were wrong.

You bring up the case of GLG, I agree with you 100% that he should not have his medal and it should be stripped. Why they would ban him from the site completely but still allow him to keep the medal makes no sense to me.