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Re: Why do the dice suck so bad?
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 5:57 am
by JelleR
It all evens out in the long run. The long run is a long time. I see posts like this:
"I checked my 31 active games a couple days back. My teams had 1st move in 8 of them"
..and I just shake my head. Focus on the part you can control. Its about making the right decisons. Forget the outcome. As long as you consistently make better decisions than your opponents, you will come out on top.
Re: Why do the dice suck so bad?
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:34 pm
by Ocean Bagel
I think the problem is that if you roll the same number the defender wins. Like, if you both get a 4, the defender wins. This changes the odds in favor of the defender.
Re: Why do the dice suck so bad?
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:47 pm
by lilrvrgrl
Yep, that makes sense.
Re: Why do the dice suck so bad?
Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:34 pm
by TheForgivenOne
Ocean Bagel wrote:I think the problem is that if you roll the same number the defender wins. Like, if you both get a 4, the defender wins. This changes the odds in favor of the defender.
Well, the attacker already has an advantage rolling 3 dice versus 2 (Unless you are attacking 3v or 2v), why give the attacker a bigger advantage? Just so people stop going crazy about the dice?
Re: Why do the dice suck so bad?
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:00 am
by jefjef
TheForgivenOne wrote:Ocean Bagel wrote:I think the problem is that if you roll the same number the defender wins. Like, if you both get a 4, the defender wins. This changes the odds in favor of the defender.
Well, the attacker already has an advantage rolling 3 dice versus 2 (Unless you are jefjef or teamed with him) then all advantage goes to the opponents.
Fixed.
Re: Why do the dice suck so bad?
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:15 am
by lilrvrgrl
lol. Thanks!
lil
Re: Why do the dice suck so bad?
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:19 am
by TheForgivenOne
jefjef wrote:TheForgivenOne wrote:Ocean Bagel wrote:I think the problem is that if you roll the same number the defender wins. Like, if you both get a 4, the defender wins. This changes the odds in favor of the defender.
Well, the attacker already has an advantage rolling 3 dice versus 2 (Unless you are jefjef or teamed with him) then all advantage goes to the opponents.
Fixed.
Oh.... yeah.. Right! ... Sorry
Re: Why do the dice suck so bad?
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:09 pm
by Woodruff
Ocean Bagel wrote:I think the problem is that if you roll the same number the defender wins. Like, if you both get a 4, the defender wins. This changes the odds in favor of the defender.
No, it does NOT change the odds in favor of the defender. It DOES lessen the strength of the attacker's odds, but the attacker is still favored.
Re: Why do the dice suck so bad?
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:22 pm
by lilrvrgrl
Woodruff wrote:Ocean Bagel wrote:I think the problem is that if you roll the same number the defender wins. Like, if you both get a 4, the defender wins. This changes the odds in favor of the defender.
No, it does NOT change the odds in favor of the defender. It DOES lessen the strength of the attacker's odds, but the attacker is still favored.
Not today.
Re: Why do the dice suck so bad?
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:23 am
by jefjef
I had some very very nice random Friday afternoon and evening.
It was fun!
Coincidentally after midnight all is well again and back to the normal...
Re: Why do the dice suck so bad?
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:46 am
by darkmatter8888
Woodruff wrote:Ocean Bagel wrote:I think the problem is that if you roll the same number the defender wins. Like, if you both get a 4, the defender wins. This changes the odds in favor of the defender.
No, it does NOT change the odds in favor of the defender. It DOES lessen the strength of the attacker's odds, but the attacker is still favored.
Did you take into account that theres only a 6.7% chance of rolling a 1? the dice numbers skew the odds way more than defenders winning a tie. you should do some research before you say the attacker is favored man
Re: Why do the dice suck so bad?
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:07 am
by TheForgivenOne
darkmatter8888 wrote:Woodruff wrote:Ocean Bagel wrote:I think the problem is that if you roll the same number the defender wins. Like, if you both get a 4, the defender wins. This changes the odds in favor of the defender.
No, it does NOT change the odds in favor of the defender. It DOES lessen the strength of the attacker's odds, but the attacker is still favored.
Did you take into account that theres only a 6.7% chance of rolling a 1? the dice numbers skew the odds way more than defenders winning a tie. you should do some research before you say the attacker is favored man
so you are saying give more advantage to the attacker? Considering a lot of times dice are rolled 3v2, there's an advantage to the attacker. Now we should give the advantage of dice too?
I'm guessing you'd hate a board game similarly close to this gaming website called Risk, since it uses this type of defending as well.
Re: Why do the dice suck so bad?
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:50 am
by ljex
darkmatter8888 wrote:Woodruff wrote:Ocean Bagel wrote:I think the problem is that if you roll the same number the defender wins. Like, if you both get a 4, the defender wins. This changes the odds in favor of the defender.
No, it does NOT change the odds in favor of the defender. It DOES lessen the strength of the attacker's odds, but the attacker is still favored.
Did you take into account that theres only a 6.7% chance of rolling a 1? the dice numbers skew the odds way more than defenders winning a tie. you should do some research before you say the attacker is favored man
you do realize that the attacker has the advantage when rolling 3-2 right?
Re: Why do the dice suck so bad?
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:02 am
by Woodruff
darkmatter8888 wrote:Woodruff wrote:Ocean Bagel wrote:I think the problem is that if you roll the same number the defender wins. Like, if you both get a 4, the defender wins. This changes the odds in favor of the defender.
No, it does NOT change the odds in favor of the defender. It DOES lessen the strength of the attacker's odds, but the attacker is still favored.
Did you take into account that theres only a 6.7% chance of rolling a 1?
That is flat-out wrong. There is a 16.7% (approximately) chance of rolling a 1. Which is precisely the same percentage of rolling each of the other sides of the die.
darkmatter8888 wrote:the dice numbers skew the odds way more than defenders winning a tie. you should do some research before you say the attacker is favored man
I should do some research? That's pretty funny...you should take a course in statistics before you say the attacker is NOT favored.
Re: Why do the dice suck so bad?
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:51 am
by TheForgivenOne
I'm sorry to future dice rollers tonight. I just assaulted a 19 with a 5, and took it down to 5 before I ran out of luck. Just so you know
Re: Why do the dice suck so bad?
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:36 pm
by stahrgazer
Woodruff wrote:If you're getting bad dice, then someone is getting good dice. Thus, it has nothing at all to do with the random dice generator. It has only to do with your perspective on what the dice are doing. Change your perspective. Find your Zen.
Cute, but.. doesn't answer the games where both sides attackers are getting bad dice.
Re: Why do the dice suck so bad?
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:10 pm
by Woodruff
stahrgazer wrote:Woodruff wrote:If you're getting bad dice, then someone is getting good dice. Thus, it has nothing at all to do with the random dice generator. It has only to do with your perspective on what the dice are doing. Change your perspective. Find your Zen.
Cute, but.. doesn't answer the games where both sides attackers are getting bad dice.
Sure it does. It's right there. If you're getting bad dice, then your opponent is getting good dice. You see, contrary to some folks' idiotic opinions, it's NOT all about offensive dice. Defensive dice count too! I know, what a concept.
Re: Why do the dice suck so bad?
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:12 am
by TheForgivenOne
Woodruff wrote:stahrgazer wrote:Woodruff wrote:If you're getting bad dice, then someone is getting good dice. Thus, it has nothing at all to do with the random dice generator. It has only to do with your perspective on what the dice are doing. Change your perspective. Find your Zen.
Cute, but.. doesn't answer the games where both sides attackers are getting bad dice.
Sure it does. It's right there. If you're getting bad dice, then your opponent is getting good dice. You see, contrary to some folks' idiotic opinions, it's NOT all about offensive dice. Defensive dice count too! I know, what a concept.
I don't like how you think, so it must be wrong [/sarcasm]
Re: Why do the dice suck so bad?
Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 5:51 pm
by Puma27
I didn't read through all seven pages. But of course, is one person is getting bad dice, then the other is getting good dice.
But what about when the game basically MAKES you lose for 2 straight weeks? There are plenty of games I should have won. In the last day alone i have lost ridiculous dice. I split my deployments, making sure I attack with at least 4 troops. I play ALL maps. I play ALL styles. I had 89 troops to take 29 troops and LOST, which was critical cause I needed the cards.
Simply that I get bad luck and someone else gets good luck, does not explain it.
Re: Why do the dice suck so bad?
Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:17 pm
by Donlarry
getting bad dice is like getting crabs it not a big deal
Re: Why do the dice suck so bad?
Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:49 pm
by SirSebstar
Puma27 wrote:,,,,,,, I had 89 troops to take 29 troops and LOST, which was critical cause I needed the cards.
.......
Simply that I get bad luck and someone else gets good luck, does not explain it.
thats not bad luck but bad strategy or even worse planning..
and yea it happens. you think average or better dice will save the day, but 10-10 you are supposed to loose that... 89-29 is not something you will loose every single time, but yea sometimes it happens.
Re: Why do the dice suck so bad?
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:41 am
by Aradhus
The dice are male. Employ some female dice and the sucking will improve. Its a Gar-On-Tee.
Re: Why do the dice suck so bad?
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 7:35 am
by Woodruff
Puma27 wrote:I didn't read through all seven pages. But of course, is one person is getting bad dice, then the other is getting good dice.
But what about when the game basically MAKES you lose for 2 straight weeks? There are plenty of games I should have won. In the last day alone i have lost ridiculous dice. I split my deployments, making sure I attack with at least 4 troops. I play ALL maps. I play ALL styles. I had 89 troops to take 29 troops and LOST, which was critical cause I needed the cards.
Simply that I get bad luck and someone else gets good luck, does not explain it.
Actually, it DOES explain it. Quite well, even.
Re: Why do the dice suck so bad?
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 10:18 am
by mr. CD
Puma27 wrote:...But what about when the game basically MAKES you lose for 2 straight weeks? ...
Yes, it is very annoying. On the other hand, wait until you've got awesome dice for 2 weeks. It's awesome.
Re: Why do the dice suck so bad?
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:32 am
by Darkended Blade
In 3v2 battles, people assume that the attacker has the advantage, but I think the fact the defender dice win on tied dice may be a contributing factor
Here is probability table from a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GAME WITH NO TIES AT ALL TO CONQUER CLUB but with a similar dice rolling system BY PURE COINCIDENCE
From that at least you can see it is ill advised if you lost your deployed troops at the start of your opening turn to then just blindly attack 3v3 locations, as the probablilities are stacked against you.