Unannounced Family members.....

[Paulus]

In response to LetGodSortThem:

1. GAME 175171:
I guess you weren't reading the posts from the now locked thread well enough because I've already responded to an accusation by austex about one of the games you referenced. That game is 175171. So, I won't bother typing it again, but rather provide you with the link: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... c&start=45

2. GAME 175173:
I also find it interesting that NO ONE attacked b.k. barunt after round 3 until I decided to do so in round 9. I suppose every player in that game is guilty of showing "favoritism" towards b.k., which would mean that every player was cheating with b.k. Or maybe, it was because he was progressing so slowly through the Rim Islands that he was mostly "under the radar" for those rounds not seeming to pose a threat to anyone while everyone else were at each other's throats. That seems like a much more logical explanation, especially after having viewed the game log.

As for me, I didn't have time to worry about him until the end because I was constantly being challenged for control of Ankh & Morkpork as the game log will clearly show. But, because I was persistent and because Dariune had decided to shifted all his focus his focus to the Aurient, I was eventually able to secure Ankh & Morkpork and expand outwards.

While I was securing my hold on Ankh & Morkpork and building my strength so I could expand, Dariune and b.k. were battling for northern supremacy and control of the Rim Islands. I was no threat to them at the time and vice-versa. It also would have been foolish for any of us to devote our resources to fighting players that were occupied elsewhere on the map when we it made more sense to fight the player(s) that more of a direct threat. By the time I had take over the south and secured a high flow on reinforcements, b.k. had been weakened enough for me to take him out, which I did, and then proceed towards Dariune who couldn't stop me at that point because he had weakened himself just enough to where he couldn't stop me from winning.

3. GAME 136471:
In the beginning of this game, b.k. and I were clearly campaigning in two separate regions. I was fighting for Summerset Isle and he was fighting for Skyrim. That should easily explain why didn't go after each other at the start of game.
I eventually took hold of Summerset Isle and began to expand outwards. I took advantage of the fact that b.k. and Ruben were going at it for control of Skyrim by expanding north into Hammerfell. Then as I grew in strength, I decided to cast my lot into the fight for Skyrim and Hammerfell since I also had cards to cash in. b.k. was quite weak at this time and was looking for a new place on the map to start campaigning. He ran into pink and was soon eliminated by pink who had already established his power to a reasonable point. I triumphed over red and began to move eastwards against green who moved away from me to go after pink. Pink eventually missed a turn making it easier to eliminate him, which I did. I then finished it up by taking green out.

So, it is quite clear that there was no reason for me to attack b.k. because he was already tangling with red, and pink with light blue. This left me take Summerset Isle and green to take Morrowind. It's no coincidence that green and I were the last two left at the end of the game. It took green longer to establish his power because Morrowind is bigger and it requires more armies and turns to do so there, whereas I was able to take Summerset Isle quickly because of my fortunate opening layout on the map at the start of the game and because it has fewer territories to conquer and requires fewer armies and turns. I was able to establish my power on the map before anyone else and I was clever enough to keep myself in the lead by waiting for the right times to attack and by keeping my borders well fortified against potential invaders. Here, once again, is a perfectly logical explanation for my win in this game, which is available in the game log.

4. GAME 71339:
This one is easy. I knew where I wanted to campaign at the start of the game and could easily see that hookshotwillaby would not pose a threat to me until later in the game if he could survive long enough and if he did not decide to move towards the area I wanted to campaign in. Hookshot's opening layout had the majority of his forces in Germany, which is practically impossible to hold so early in the game. Knowing all this, I passed him what seemed to be a helpful tip thinking it would distract him away from the region I was focused on taking long enough for me to actually take it. That explains the quote you highlighted in red "Better watch your northern front, hookshot." You're trying to make it out to be more complex than it is because you are so incredibly desperate right now in your quest to pin any of us. As far as the rules go, there is nothing illegal about sending a false hint in order to distract an opponent's attention away from you in the public game chat. Tell me where I went wrong on that one. In fact, don't bother because you can't.

Can you explain why you highlighted the part where hookshot proposes his alliance to me in the game chat? As far as the rules of the site go, alliances are completely legal if they are made in the game chat where all can see, which is exactly what we did. So, why did you even decide to highlight quote from the game chat that does not bear even the slightest hint of cheating on it? I think you've got some explaining to do pal.

You also highlighted a portion of the feedback hookshot left me where it says "and he carried me to the end of the game". However, you left out the first half of that sentence which reads "I allied with him when things turned grim". You are trying to suggest that I was "carrying" hookshot before our alliance was made by only highlighting the second half of that sentence. How much of an idiot are you? Do you really think no one will read the first half and notice that any assistance that we provided to each other occurred "after" our legal alliance was made?
I also have absolutely no idea why you highlighted the part in the feedback where he says "would love to play with Paulus more in the future especially in a doubles game". What the hell are you trying to get at with this one?? Please tell me what is so wrong him saying that? God! You're an idiot!


*Why do you leave out essential information and only state the basic info, which is entirely too vague to prove anything at all? Why do you never get into the details of the game log? It seems you've become rather spiteful and have decided to go scrounging around my game history to see what information you can cut and paste in your feeble attempt to assemble a claim against me and my uncle. You completely disregard the strategies and positioning tactics used, which are vital to a player's outcome in a game. You are going to need a lot more than game numbers, how many times we attacked each other, and who won in order to prove anything. Do you think that the moderators who investigate cheating accusations only look at those basic facts? No, of course not! They don't because that basic info is too little and too vague to use alone, which is why one must go deeper than the surface by delving into the depths of the game log. And because you did not, I decided to do it for you since you refuse to because you know it'll ruin your case against us.
Nice try fruitball.

[LetGodSortThem]

Feedback from hookshotwillaby to paulus

Positive
paulus is true to his word and treats his alliances with honor. I allied with him when things turned grim, and he carried me to the end of the game. I lost the game of course, him being the dominant player throughout the game, but still got to play it to the end. would love to play with Paulus more in the future especially in a doubles game. even though he is a fruitball. >;)

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=71339#gmtop hookshotwillaby ( 31-3 )
2006-09-24 03:45:22

Nice...Feedback...oh wait its your cous....oops

GAME CHAT
2006-09-21 06:31:18 - dawool: hookshot u clown we r now both finished
2006-09-21 07:53:10 - Paulus: Better watch your northern front, hookshot.
2006-09-21 13:45:07 - dawool: yup only chance hookshot an I had was to stand back to back. were trying to take bigger lands so it takes longer...sooo gg everyone cuz me an hookshot r gone
2006-09-22 02:14:38 - hookshotwillaby: dawool dont try and make it sound like we had some sort of alliance...i attacked you cause i needed a place to run to being trappedin the middle of the weakest place on the whole board...and you may be finished my friend, but I am very much alive.
2006-09-22 02:15:19 - dawool: lol look around... you have played the fool
2006-09-22 02:15:58 - dawool: pink all around thenort an blue all around the south
2006-09-22 02:16:56 - dawool: an we could have survive as a force but now its over 4 the both of us
2006-09-22 02:18:26 - hookshotwillaby: well let me give you some playing advice. next time you decide to form an alliance with someone.....try telling them first.....and i still have a few tricks upmy sleeve.
2006-09-22 02:23:25 - hookshotwillaby: speaking of alliances....Paulus. I believe we can help each other for the time being. i will attack this dawool fool and isolate his remaining forces and then leave the final battle for you so you can take his cards if you will then hold on attacking me

Not this game...not selective got from FEEDBACK...GO FIGURE...NOT TOO HARD

Feed back for Paulus from hot

ABOUT LINE 2? Paulus?

GAME CHAT
2006-09-21 06:31:18 - dawool: hookshot u clown we r now both finished
line 2-> 2006-09-21 07:53:10 - Paulus: Better watch your northern front, hookshot.

Before alliance offer?...piss off

Go to Flame forum stop spamming this one

Paulus?
No Favoritism?

PLEASE IN LESS THEN 1000 SENTENCES...............

BK thats not line two of chat

Lgst are you really that stupid?!! Line 2 - "he carried me to the end of the game" you have highlighted in red.

READ IT AGAIN

Did I mention thank BK?

Paulus?
No Favoritism here?
2006-09-21 07:53:10 - Paulus: Better watch your northern front, hookshot.
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=71339#gmtop
Before alliance offer

YES OR NO?

Pretty simple answer...?

You think the admin. wants to read all that when you "TELL" hotshot what to do way before alliance offer...

YES OR NO?

Is that too hard to answer...I bet more want to know

Oh wait once is ok for you cuse your special right...lol

[Paulus]

Yes, I think he will because it is entirely relevant to the matter at hand and it makes infinitely more sense than all of your posts combined.
In answer to your stupid question, I say no. No favoritism of the kind you are suggesting took place in that game. You are quite the desperate one to be placing all your hope in that one sentence. I have already explained the intention behind that sentence in my last post.
Now, that I've answered all of your questions and have responded thoroughly to each point you've tried to make against us no matter how weak, it is time for you to answer all of ours in a thorough manner. Why can't you answer our questions? It is because you can't. You always try to avoid the questions posed to you and then try to ask more ridiculous questions of your own without answering any of ours. Did you even take the time to read my last post? I suggest you do before continuing on because I make your points about the games you referenced invalid.

[LetGodSortThem]

Feedback from hookshotwillaby to paulus

Positive
paulus is true to his word and treats his alliances with honor. I allied with him when things turned grim, and he carried me to the end of the game. I lost the game of course, him being the dominant player throughout the game, but still got to play it to the end. would love to play with Paulus more in the future especially in a doubles game. even though he is a fruitball. >;)

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=71339#gmtop hookshotwillaby ( 31-3 )
2006-09-24 03:45:22

Nice...Feedback...oh wait its your cous....oops

GAME CHAT
2006-09-21 06:31:18 - dawool: hookshot u clown we r now both finished
2006-09-21 07:53:10 - Paulus: Better watch your northern front, hookshot.
2006-09-21 13:45:07 - dawool: yup only chance hookshot an I had was to stand back to back. were trying to take bigger lands so it takes longer...sooo gg everyone cuz me an hookshot r gone
2006-09-22 02:14:38 - hookshotwillaby: dawool dont try and make it sound like we had some sort of alliance...i attacked you cause i needed a place to run to being trappedin the middle of the weakest place on the whole board...and you may be finished my friend, but I am very much alive.
2006-09-22 02:15:19 - dawool: lol look around... you have played the fool
2006-09-22 02:15:58 - dawool: pink all around thenort an blue all around the south
2006-09-22 02:16:56 - dawool: an we could have survive as a force but now its over 4 the both of us
2006-09-22 02:18:26 - hookshotwillaby: well let me give you some playing advice. next time you decide to form an alliance with someone.....try telling them first.....and i still have a few tricks upmy sleeve.
2006-09-22 02:23:25 - hookshotwillaby: speaking of alliances....Paulus. I believe we can help each other for the time being. i will attack this dawool fool and isolate his remaining forces and then leave the final battle for you so you can take his cards if you will then hold on attacking me

Not this game...not selective got from FEEDBACK...GO FIGURE...NOT TOO HARD

Feed back for Paulus from hot

ABOUT LINE 2? Paulus?

GAME CHAT
2006-09-21 06:31:18 - dawool: hookshot u clown we r now both finished
line 2-> 2006-09-21 07:53:10 - Paulus: Better watch your northern front, hookshot.

Before alliance offer?...piss off

Go to Flame forum stop spamming this one

Paulus?
No Favoritism?

PLEASE IN LESS THEN 1000 SENTENCES...............

BK thats not line two of chat

Lgst are you really that stupid?!! Line 2 - "he carried me to the end of the game" you have highlighted in red.

READ IT AGAIN

Did I mention thank BK?

Paulus?
No Favoritism here?
2006-09-21 07:53:10 - Paulus: Better watch your northern front, hookshot.
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=71339#gmtop
Before alliance offer

YES OR NO?

Pretty simple answer...?

You think the admin. wants to read all that when you "TELL" hotshot what to do way before alliance offer...

YES OR NO?

Is that too hard to answer...I bet more want to know

Oh wait once is ok for you cuse your special right...lol

READ LINE 2 ARE YOU BLIND

2006-09-21 07:53:10 - Paulus: Better watch your northern front, hookshot.

Are you not helping him?

[LetGodSortThem]

You can try to bury this with your long answers but the evidence speaks for itself...JUST LET THE POWERS IN CHARGE DECIDE

I only looked at one game chat besides first game posted...a little too easy

P.S. Don't bother to reply let admin decide...

[Paulus]

The issue is not favoritism, but cheating. You've gone off topic with your accusations of "favoritism". It is about the way in which the game is played. We have played each game according to rules and have never broken them. Your posts are no longer fueled by any desire for truth, but by hatred. You will always think us guilty no matter how much the facts stand up against you because you hate us. Your hatred and spite oozes out of your posts like 50 gallons of jelly in between two limp pieces of bread. You might actually start to make sense if you let go of that hatred. Try it.

[LetGodSortThem]

Line 2?

Not helping him before alliance?

I can repost it if you missed it?

My first post in this topic

I do not think people should play "Standard" games with a friend or family member when there are others oblivious to the relationship...

I do not buy that there is no favoritism in these standard games....

Why add to ignore...I don't know how many other family members play here with you..

Like I said It's only natural for you to favor them....

But thats just my opinion...

favoritism is my first point...do read my posts?doubt ity since you don't get "LINE 2"

[Paulus]

Wow. There it is you lazy fruitball. If you ever took the time to read my posts, you would already know that I answered your question concerning "line 2". You are too wrapped up in your hatred for us that you can't even read our posts now, and if you do, you don't read for content and all the logical points made fly completely over your head. I haven't missed anything. You've missed everything.

[LetGodSortThem]

Only thing you miss is that cheated..let admin decide...I wont let you avoid the evidence...you know what you said in game and then deny it...It's logged...

2006-09-21 07:53:10 - Paulus: Better watch your northern front, hookshot.
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=71339#gmtop
Before alliance offer

Don't convince me...convince them......

No helping family there

[Paulus]

Once again, you avoid all the questions we have posed to you. I've managed to successfully put down all of your accusations and the ridiculous points you've used to support them. You can't answer them because you know that the answers will completely ruin your argument. It seems all you can do now is repost the same absurd points from before, which have already been responded to and put down with complete information and logic.

[LetGodSortThem]

2006-09-21 07:53:10 - Paulus: Better watch your northern front, hookshot.
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=71339#gmtop
Before alliance offer

THATS ABSURD?...Looks like clear alliance before annoucement to me...make a good poll no?

Let Admin decide...worried?...I wont let you bury this...nice try

Let Admin decide...your starting to spam...don't convince me

stop wasting their time and let them look at game(s) in question...IS THAT TOO HARD FOR YOU TO DO?

CAN YOU LET THEM DECIDE?

Think Ill make that poll...let others look at it

[Paulus]

I am not worried at all, but it certainly seems you are. What previous post will repost this time? It's too late for you anyway because I've already buried every point you made while you shrivel and hide from our questions. You can't even tell me why you avoid answering our questions!
They can look at games in question while we post here. You're the one who's been wasting their time with absurd accusations based out of spite and not truth and by trying to make ridiculous points to defend your accusations.
No, it wouldn't make a good poll. No, it looks nothing like an alliance before the announcement.

[austex]

there's a simple solution for people who don't believe paulus, BK, and the rest of the family can be in standard games together and play fairly....

IGNORE LIST

and this is the reason that the mods probably won't do anything about it

[AlbroShlo]

Paulus writes,
"The issue is not favoritism, but cheating. You've gone off topic with your accusations of "favoritism"

What the hell do you think favoritism is you mongloid, if you favor one player over the other you are a CHEATER!!


CHEATER CHEATER CHEATER CHEATER

I am done wasting my time with you Paulus. You are a snivelling whiny little shit who kicks and screams and makes a fuss if he doesn't get his own way.
It's ok Paulus here's yer bottle.

If it plays like a wanker, looks like a wanker and cheats like a wanker than it's probably a WANKER!!!

AlbroShlo - doing my part to keep CC free of Greaseball Cheaters

[AlbroShlo]

So far i have let about 20 people know of your relationship, not just you two but the whole family. On top of the people who have read the forums i think you have been successfully outed. And i will continue to let people know from this point on. You can write all the 1000 word essays you want Paulus, i did what i came to do, Mission Accomplished!

I find it funny that you even have the rank you do Paulus. I have a feeling that may go down over the next while once you stop being able to screw people over with your greaseball cheating antics.

Albro

[b.k. barunt]

"I am done wasting my time with you paulus", and then he sends another post back to back. Hard to stop that diarrhea of the mouth eh albro? "better watch your northern front", is evidently what you're basing your whole case on now. You can find a plethora of quotes like that from me to all kinds of people. I think that anyone reading this will now realize how stupid and superficial your case is. The main reason you got your panties in a terminal wad now is that i outed you and lgst. And you got your feelings hurt when i laughed at your incredibly successful career. Notice that i did not put you on my ignore list - i'm ready and willing to take on either you or your significant other at any time.

[AlbroShlo]

b.k. the neanderthall,

taking an expression i use, "verbal diarrhea" and changing it to "diarhea of the mouth" shows how much original thought is floating around in your head.
I'll bet those two braincells finally hit each other and you thought wow this will really get him haha, only it's something i say. I'm flattered that you want to be like me so much that you are starting to copy my expressions (very poorly i might add).

"better watch your northern front"?????
I have no idea what you are babbling about.....

As far as outing me and lgst we were never in, we have never even played a game together he's just some guy that recognised you as prime candidates for natural selection.

When someone weak like you laughs at a strong player like me we all know why...it's just a feeble attempt to cover up your own shame.

"diarrhea of the mouth" LMAO LMAO what a loser

[b.k. barunt]

Evidently this wanker never heard the term diarrhea of the mouth, and now he thinks he made it up. Pretty sad albro.

[LetGodSortThem]

Out me?...I don't hide the fact I play games with family members where we are last 2 players in a game...Wait I don't play with family or friends in standard games...

And If I did I would not hide that fact

If you dinks read my first post...THATS MY POINT

[b.k. barunt]

Brilliant move putting your "evidence" to a poll like that lgst - blurt out your stupidity for all to see. And it looks like the demise of your illustrious witch hunting career - now everyone will know you for the catty, snipping little bitch that you are. Hey, this poll's not really going your way either is it?

[LetGodSortThem]

Poll results:

Do you think standard games with two or more unanounced family members:

-Should be private game 26% [ 13 ]

-Let the other players in the
standard game know you
are family 73% [ 36 ]

Total Votes : 49

My first point is that people would rather know about relationship's of opponents before a game has started, then less would be suspicious of motives and agendas in game...And if your game play is honest in such cases, while all others in the game are aware of your relationship why worry? But when you think there is nothing wrong about not disclosing this fact...only feeds the suspicion...Read my first post on subject...

People would rather know

[b.k. barunt]

That's not the poll i'm talking about numbnuts. I'm talking about the one where you ask people to agree with your assessment of your "evidence" - don't like to talk about that one do you? It's making you look foolish. But as for the poll that you're talking about, as usual you slant the statistics to suit your purpose. There is no choice in the poll for people who don't care whether family plays or not. Your choices are only for people who have a problem with it. So please don't try to tell me that this contrived poll of yours proves that people want it posted. Are you familiar with the term circular logic? You love being the self appointed witchhunter around here because it gives you sense of power. And you remind me of Joe McCarthy - only gayer. (l).

[b.k. barunt]

You're also a liar. You're first posts made it clear that family SHOULD NOT play in standard games.

[LetGodSortThem]

Go to flame forum...stop spamming...your in wrong poll...

My first post

Posted: 06 Feb 2007 21:00

54849 regestard players, but some people feel they have to play with the same people(family)...I don't get it...Sounds pretty dull to me...Why don't people sit down and play the "REAL" board game, much more fun...

But then I guess It's pretty easy to play the same people over and over...

I bet the loser of these "STANDARD" games with b.k. barunt and hookshotwillaby (Paulus's cousin) or Paulus never saw them coming...

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=146867#gmtop
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=112209#gmtop
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=89249#gmtop
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=78856#gmtop
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=71339#gmtop
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=175173#gmtop
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=175171#gmtop



Don't bother to reply with one of your long-winded vulgar responses (Way too much time on some peoples hands)

Just adding the bunch of you too my ignore...

My Second post

Posted: 06 Feb 2007 22:50

I do not think people should play "Standard" games with a friend or family member when there are others oblivious to the relationship...

I do not buy that there is no favoritism in these standard games....

Why add to ignore...I don't know how many other family members play here with you..

Like I said It's only natural for you to favor them....

But thats just my opinion...

I'm no lier should have been posts not post...loser go to flame forum

"I do not think people should play "Standard" games with a friend or family member when there are others oblivious to the relationship..."


Try reading my first posts next time...oh no going point out I missed a letter...oooo how embarrassing...remember Einstien? embarrassing...See I helped you learn how to spell a word

loser go to flame forum

[b.k. barunt]

Ok you want to talk spelling? Regestard? REGESTARD??! Are you freakin kidding me?! How old are you? This is sad, very sad. You should invest in a tutor. At least find a role model of some sort and stop embarrasssssing us all. R E G I S T E R E D. Looks like a completely different word doesn't it. And you want to complain about my spelling? Get a freakin life moron. And by the way, lier should be liar. Sorry, i'm gonna haveta pass on the tutoring offer.