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Re: Crime Should be Illegal!

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hecter wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Yes but you have to be an idiot if you think that Russian or Canadian Illegals are the one's shutting down hospitals and schools in Arizona.
Case in point, A new school opened in 2009 that fit 1,000 students. In 2010, 1,180 students showed up, despite the city population officially staying flat.

Wow... That proves... nothing? I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm sure Arizona has a large amount of illegal immigrants in the country, but saying that more kids show up for school than the school holds, well... That's a common problem. Here in my city as well, a lot of schools are over their limit, class rooms are generally filled (over filled) as the portables, and we sure as hell don't have an illegal immigrant problem.

it proves there are more children than were supposed to be there. I'm sorry for assuming you knew basic arithmetic.
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Well if we give citizenship to all that are here, won't that just make it all the more enticing to others to come over? And then the cycle begins anew. So legalizing millions of border law violators doesn't solve anything.

As to SSec, then we need an ever growing population forever. Like I said, it may DELAY insolvency, but it solves nothing. So whoever did the math, whether it was Rush Limbaugh or Keith Olberman, is absolutely wrong. You can't have someone pay in small amounts of money for a period of time and then draw out larger amounts of money for possibly a much longer time and expect it to work mathematically. Especially when SSec benefits mirror the investment results of treasurys.

I don't just blame dems. Most politicians and citizens are also to blame. For allowing this to happen and to think that socialism can work. It doesn't, it has already been proven numerous times. A welfare state will always fail.

Glad to hear you avoided bankruptcy. I am sure your retirement will be funded only by social security, since it doesn't seem that you save much money. I guess that is the fault of illegal immigrants forcing wages down, or Goldman Sachs paying out big bonuses to its employees.
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jbrettlip wrote:Well if we give citizenship to all that are here, won't that just make it all the more enticing to others to come over? And then the cycle begins anew. So legalizing millions of border law violators doesn't solve anything.

I said make them legal to work. That does not mean citizenship.
jbrettlip wrote:As to SSec, then we need an ever growing population forever. Like I said, it may DELAY insolvency, but it solves nothing. So whoever did the math, whether it was Rush Limbaugh or Keith Olberman, is absolutely wrong. You can't have someone pay in small amounts of money for a period of time and then draw out larger amounts of money for possibly a much longer time and expect it to work mathematically. Especially when SSec benefits mirror the investment results of treasurys.

The idea was not that they would come here and be citizens, just that they would come here to work. I don't think it would work for a lot of reasons, but basically it was saying they would come here, work and support our older folks, then leave.

jbrettlip wrote:I don't just blame dems. Most politicians and citizens are also to blame.

Easier than blaming the people who elect them, I suppose.
jbrettlip wrote:For allowing this to happen and to think that socialism can work. It doesn't, it has already been proven numerous times. A welfare state will always fail.

Study history. You are wrong. Communism has failed, some socialist states have failed, but it is hardly universal.

jbrettlip wrote:Glad to hear you avoided bankruptcy. I am sure your retirement will be funded only by social security, since it doesn't seem that you save much money. I guess that is the fault of illegal immigrants forcing wages down, or Goldman Sachs paying out big bonuses to its employees.

No, its the fault of my choosing a career that did not pan out.. and some other things I prefer not to get into here.
However, no where in it is anything about being dependent, not working or any of the other things you like to throw out.
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Name one socialist state that has had long term success. I blamed the citizens...which are the people that elected them. And no one ever pays into a system and then gets no benefit out of it...the lawyers would have a field day! I really need to learn how to do the "broken up quotes" so I can respond as pointedly as you.
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Re: Crime Should be Illegal!

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jbrettlip wrote:Name one socialist state that has had long term success. .

Ancient Egypt.
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I live in a welfare state where your pension is paid out of community funds. Its illegal to bear firearms.
It's not illegal to be an illegal alien, use softdrugs or protitution.
Oh and we have to wear identificationpapers. In 2005 out of 16 million persons, 100k fines were issued for not having documentation. A large amount of these fines were issued to the elderly, children and ... harddrug users.. out of a gov study it is shown that this law is mostly used to 'harrass' certain people the local police dislike in their neighbourhood. As a consequence those people started to move their hanghouts. We now have an increase in attacks on persons and shops. an increase in crime and the police does no longer know where their local crimebangers are..
way to go!

repression works only on those who have something to loose. For those who have nothing to loose, repression only means they have to hit harder and faster.
Something like the carrot and the stick... too much of either and the mule goes nowhere...

I think there could be a problem with a general ID law, however there are benefits too. Just frame the law correctly and evaluate if you are reaching your intended target would already go a long way to reinforce the beleive in the just nation. Obviously, the imigrant situation should be solved, but it is like theft. Its sometimes hard to find every thief, but to how many poeple do you think the thief sells their stuff to and how many people buy stolen property?!? If you crack down on them in betweens and buyers, then thiefery would soon come to an end..

Also, the majority of all crimes commited is commited by the locals.. who else has access to the local underworld....

oh and one last thing.. Someone made the comment that if you support an illigal alien, you are aiding and abetting a crime and thus are a criminal yourself... So all the citizens of the US aided and abetted an criminal organization; the usa when it invaded iraq?!? okay.. thanks for the comparison.. its not that easy. As someone else said, you can cover up the symptoms, but if you dont deal with the disease, you are never going to get anywhere...
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PLAYER57832 wrote:
jbrettlip wrote:Name one socialist state that has had long term success. .

Ancient Egypt.


HAHAHA...that made me laugh. Please tell me you aren't serious!
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jbrettlip wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
jbrettlip wrote:Name one socialist state that has had long term success. .

Ancient Egypt.


HAHAHA...that made me laugh. Please tell me you aren't serious!

I answered you in a new thread, just so we would not divert this one any further.
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