Conquer Club

I think we need to look at the big picture here, if kort knocks off thota, which is possible, does that make kort # 1 on cc for 2010? Probably NOT, since our challenge will not end until March 2011 and a majoirty of the matches will be played in the year 2011, so that is for the year 2011 discussion

I think you need to stop looking in the medal cabinet and/or mirror Blitz. If a list of perceived top clans was drawn-up for 2010 then it would be hard not to consider TOFU for top place (if it is purely results-based over the past 12 months). It's certainly not a toss-up between KORT and THOTA being #1 and #2.

qwert wrote:"Dako on Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:44 pm
It just sounds that TSM is THOTA dogs for filtering out incompetent clans ."

Who knows,maybe these is second team of THOTA ? and everybody need first to play with TSM, and if they win,then can play with THOTA?

And my grandma has balls.

skillfull wrote:

qwert wrote:"Dako on Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:44 pm
It just sounds that TSM is THOTA dogs for filtering out incompetent clans ."

Who knows,maybe these is second team of THOTA ? and everybody need first to play with TSM, and if they win,then can play with THOTA?

And my grandma has balls.

In Greece that wouldn't surprise me

Chariot of Fire wrote:

I think we need to look at the big picture here, if kort knocks off thota, which is possible, does that make kort # 1 on cc for 2010? Probably NOT, since our challenge will not end until March 2011 and a majoirty of the matches will be played in the year 2011, so that is for the year 2011 discussion

I think you need to stop looking in the medal cabinet and/or mirror Blitz. If a list of perceived top clans was drawn-up for 2010 then it would be hard not to consider TOFU for top place (if it is purely results-based over the past 12 months). It's certainly not a toss-up between KORT and THOTA being #1 and #2.

I agree it is not a toss up for thota and kort to be # 1 and # 2, but, I do NOT see how you can put kort or Tofu above Thota as Thota still has Never lost, we beat Tsm barely earlier in 2010 which at the time was the # 2 clan and now we are in the Finals of the CUP in 2010 vs kort. so, to me it is easy not hard to but tofu less than one as tofu has not played any top clans like tsm, IA, low, thota, empire over the last year, you just recently played kort and thta was loads of controversy and very close. If tofu has not beat any top clans, and thota still never has lost a clan challenge and continues to win against some top clans in 2010, I doubt tofu can be #1 cof, not sure how you can argue that as you and some of your members even have posted over the months thota is # 1, and good argument for tsm to be #2. Of course I am open and I am sure other clans members are as well. I never said kort was #2 this year, although chuuuuck has my votes for who is as power ranked the top 39 to 40 clans, and soon to vote the top 10.

It is all about perception. Not the actual results. Who do you see stronger.

The difference is you always seem to consider what you have achieved over a period of years, and of that there is no equal without a doubt.

But if you compared results in 2010 then I think there are some who may feel TOFU has achieved more than any other clan throughout the year. That's what 'perception' is all about, and has nothing to do with a victory over LoW 18 months ago.

So what is the list? Is it taken purely on a year-by-year basis, or can you guys all f**k off to The Bahamas for a year and still come back as #1 because you're undefeated?

I'm not saying THOTA isn't #1 - in fact you know I have often stated that it is - but I had to take issue with your remark "If KORT beat THOTA does that make them #1 for 2010". From this one would surmise that your list is purely based on 2010 results, so there's no place for historical achievements dating back to 2009 and before. You can't work it both ways mate.

Dako wrote:It is all about perception. Not the actual results. Who do you see stronger.

I see Tofu as stronger than Kort if you want my opinion Dako.

p.s. and if KORT do beat THOTA does that make TOFU #1 because we beat KORT?

Chariot of Fire wrote:p.s. and if KORT do beat THOTA does that make TOFU #1 because we beat KORT?

lol, not necessarily, we never played yet, and I never said you beat them (you did in games but not in rules), that is a controversial arguement that I rather stay out of because I was not involved.

I am basing this on experience and for me personally I think Tofu is stronger than Kort as a unit collectively, although your cup challenge was a super battle and kort played very well. If kort had won 31-29, my perception still may of been Tofu is slighly better based on my overall collective experience against many in both clans, now if kort won 45-15, I may see it differently, but, when it is that close, I'd have to give the slight edge to Tofu because they have given me more challenges in game wit then kort has, but, kort is pretty dam good.

fair comment. a lot of my assessment too is based on game experiences outside of challenges, so I can understand your stance here.

Chariot of Fire wrote:fair comment. a lot of my assessment too is based on game experiences outside of challenges, so I can understand your stance here.

CoF, is your sig encoded with some secret encryption?

Chariot of Fire wrote: nvr vry gd at txtspk n brcswr is a cnt".

I can't quite make it out and just happen to notice it.

Blitzaholic wrote:

Chariot of Fire wrote:fair comment. a lot of my assessment too is based on game experiences outside of challenges, so I can understand your stance here.

CoF, is your sig encoded with some secret encryption?

Chariot of Fire wrote: nvr vry gd at txtspk n brcswr is a cnt".

I can't quite make it out and just happen to notice it.

Never very good at textspeak and [player]Bruceswar[/player] is a ****

Anyway, this historical vs 2010 debate is pretty interesting. Maybe it just boils down to where a clan is perceived to be at this specific point in time knowing what we know.

is this already the Thota versus Tofu forum thread, or will you create a new one for the clan war?^^ seems pretty obvious that this will be the next really big clan war

Seulessliathan wrote:is this already the Thota versus Tofu forum thread, or will you create a new one for the clan war?^^ seems pretty obvious that this will be the next really big clan war

I was hoping tofu and tsm would play now while we are taking on kort.

Much obliged.

THOTA is the #1 ranked clan in CC. Period. "."

I think everyone knows THOTA is the #1 clan, but is it unreasonable for those same people to say, "you know, THOTA is the standard, they are the best, but my personal opinion is Clan X is stronger than they are right now"

I don't think there is anything wrong with people thinking another clan might be stronger than the top ranked clan but it is all conjecture until we the two face off.

Also, even if KORT does beat THOTA, I would still consider THOTA #1. Unless, like Blitz' argument, its a complete blowout which I doubt will be the case.

I am not sure that TOFU-TSM will happen next in TOFU history.

jpeter15 wrote:THOTA is the #1 ranked clan in CC. Period. "."

I think everyone knows THOTA is the #1 clan, but is it unreasonable for those same people to say, "you know, THOTA is the standard, they are the best, but my personal opinion is Clan X is stronger than they are right now"

I don't think there is anything wrong with people thinking another clan might be stronger than the top ranked clan but it is all conjecture until we the two face off.

Also, even if KORT does beat THOTA, I would still consider THOTA #1. Unless, like Blitz' argument, its a complete blowout which I doubt will be the case.

I hear you Pete.

Dako wrote:I am not sure that TOFU-TSM will happen next in TOFU history.

When is your next challenge TOFU? i think you should probably take on a top 5 clan at the very least... just my opinion though

We just have done reptile. We don't mind taking on another though, or LoW

There is/was supposed to be a 3rd place playoff in the Conqueror's Cup, though some of my clanmates may not support this out of principle.

Chariot of Fire wrote:We just have done reptile. We don't mind taking on another though, or LoW

There is/was supposed to be a 3rd place playoff in the Conqueror's Cup, though some of my clanmates may not support this out of principle.

Yes, there is supposed to be a 3rd place game. I keep meaning to PM you all to talk about that.

Dako wrote:I am not sure that TOFU-TSM will happen next in TOFU history.

why not? you speaking for us or speaking for you?

Chuuuuck wrote:

Chariot of Fire wrote:We just have done reptile. We don't mind taking on another though, or LoW

There is/was supposed to be a 3rd place playoff in the Conqueror's Cup, though some of my clanmates may not support this out of principle.

Yes, there is supposed to be a 3rd place game. I keep meaning to PM you all to talk about that.

Not going to happen on our end, I must say.

Is that a 60 game forfeit then?

Must check the um, 'rules'

Chariot of Fire wrote:Is that a 60 game forfeit then?

Must check the um, 'rules'

Hahaha. That gives us a crushing victory over a top 5 clan as Blitz requested. Now on to THOTA!

jpeter15 wrote:

Chariot of Fire wrote:Is that a 60 game forfeit then?

Must check the um, 'rules'

Hahaha. That gives us a crushing victory over a top 5 clan as Blitz requested. Now on to THOTA!

Has THOTA ever won a challenge 60-0? I don't believe so. Maybe you should make them prove themselves similarly before giving them the honor of challenging you...