Conquer Club

Oh, and, what happened to the cultist that we were looking for?

There wasn't one, as I suspected. Though a list of all night actions would be sweet.

ace1217 wrote:Thez, I would imagine kwan killed you.

How? what GF has a daykill action?

nagerous wrote:There wasn't one, as I suspected.

Yea apparently you where right. Can't understand why will didn't recruit though (him being Night I'd assume meant recruiting during Daytime).

Well, PCM said that insomniacs could decide what phase to use the action they may have in, so I assume thats why, since he didn't NK, but used a DK instead.

Very fun setup, Although I was too scared to use my kills during the day since that would incriminate me as an insomniac. (or would it?)

It wouldn't /, considering the night people could have done it.

ace1217 wrote:Well, PCM said that insomniacs could decide what phase to use the action they may have in, so I assume thats why, since he didn't NK, but used a DK instead.

Sine when did Scum NKs become an action? btw Kwan wasn't an insomniac.

/ wrote:Although I was too scared to use my kills during the day since that would incriminate me as an insomniac. (or would it?)

Don't think they would have tbf. Did you kill TWO or william btw?

I meant that in the way like
if night one had two kills
and day one had one kill
then afterwards night two had one kill
and day two had two kills
you might have realized one of the killers can operate in day or night. (leaving me or MM)
Anyways I might just be paranoid.
And I killed Will, I figured TWO was going to be lynched anyways, might as well take my chances before the docs protect town's cop.

/ wrote:I meant that in the way like
if night one had two kills
and day one had one kill
then afterwards night two had one kill
and day two had two kills
you might have realized one of the killers can operate in day or night. (leaving me or MM)
Anyways I might just be paranoid.
And I killed Will, I figured TWO was going to be lynched anyways, might as well take my chances before the docs protect town's cop.

I also kind of thought he was a lyncher.

Thezzaruz wrote:

ace1217 wrote:Well, PCM said that insomniacs could decide what phase to use the action they may have in, so I assume thats why, since he didn't NK, but used a DK instead.

Sine when did Scum NKs become an action? btw Kwan wasn't an insomniac.

I know that he wasn't at the start, but we all turned into insomniacs with the death of / remember?

gg townies...



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ace1217 wrote:

Thezzaruz wrote:

ace1217 wrote:Well, PCM said that insomniacs could decide what phase to use the action they may have in, so I assume thats why, since he didn't NK, but used a DK instead.

Sine when did Scum NKs become an action? btw Kwan wasn't an insomniac.

I know that he wasn't at the start, but we all turned into insomniacs with the death of / remember?

i think the real explanation Thezz is looking for was that as a NIGHT person Kwan used his powers in the day, just like me. that's how i knew that the killer had to be NIGHT. i kept wondering about Kwan but I trusted the investigation results, shoulda gone w/ my gut and tracked him instead of Skoffin, but since i promised to track her instead, i did

X= they died at some point. That just made it easier to do VCs.

Day

Mafia Assassin Lovo (Cena) X
Mafia Doc--> SK Doc MiB (SoD) X
Doc Kiwi (Thez) X
Commuter Ani X
Cop Ace (Tal)
Mind Controller Flores X
2x Voter/Day Mason Selin X
Pro-scum Voteless Townie/Day Mason LSU


Night

Mafia RB Firee (Sam) X
Mafia Janitor--->GF Kwan
Daytime Vig ga7 X
Survivor Neoteny (Nag)
Cult Leader william X
Vengeful Death Miller Skofzorz
Captain Falcon Fircoal (Gimp)
RB Nark X

Insomniac

Mafia GF TWO X
SK / X
College Student MM X

Day 1

Firee-->Nark
Nark-->Flores
Will-->TWO
Chu-->TWO

Night 1

Flores-->Kwan
/-->Will
Kiwi-->Kwan
Ga-->TWO
MM--> Inv. ga (Fail)
Ace-->Firee

Day 2

Nark-->SoD
Kwan-->Ga
Cena-->Flores
Chu-->Ani
MM-->Inv. Chu

Night 2

Ace-->Nark
Thez-->MM
/-->Ani

Day 3

Kwan-->/
MM-->Kill Skoff (fail)
Chu-->/

Night 3

LSU-->MM
Thez-->LSU
MM-->Kill SoD (Fail)
Ace-->Kwan

Day 4

MM-->Kil SoD
Gimp-->MM

Night 4

Thez-->Tal
Tal-->Nag

Day 5

Kwan-->Thez
Gimp-->Skoff

On Kwan: I forgot to hide what his kill one night, so to compensate I made him a godfather. Godfathers were not kill immune, as you just saw and also saw earlier.

On MM's actions: If his action failed, he could try again in the next phase (i.e. Day 1-->Night 1). However, if he succeeded in his action, he was obstructed until the next cycle(Day 1-->Day 2). That's how he managed to target 5 people in 4 days. I had decided that all his actions would succeed after so many failed, but then you lynched him.

How the mafia worked: You had 2 separate groups of 2 (2 for each phase) bridged by the GF. The GF knew who they all were, but couldn't tell the others who was in the other group. Due to the communication difficulty this might cause, I made the scum pretty buff, giving them 2 kills, a roleblock, a protection, and a coverup ability. They could also have recruited LSU if he made contact, as LSU said. The way I figured it, the Double Voter Mason would offer LSU his second vote, and if he was recruited, he in effect would become the double voter.

The Day/Night merger: I merged Day and Night when the bridge between phases, the Insomniacs, was about to fall apart. During the merger, I offered the scum the opportunity to merge or become independent, retaining any powers they had. Kwan declined, but Sheep opted to be an SK. They also had the option of becoming a Cult Leader. In hindsight, I shouldn't have made it an option, but it turned out not to matter.

Yeah. Making me a godfather almost won me the game. I thought skoffin was the other mafia turned SK or cult. Too bad I forgot to look at the dead list If she was and I lead her lynch I figured it would be smooth sailing for me. Lead the lynch on nag on the basis that he was the last cult. Then kill of gimpy.

Actually nevermind...I would have won at 4 alive since LSU is voteless.

Was a good game and idea PCM. I have a few minor questions/suggestions though.

pancakemix wrote:Day 5
Kwan-->Thez

Does this mean that we all had the choice (day/night) to use our actions when we became insomniacs? Wasn't mentioned IIRC.

pancakemix wrote:In hindsight, I shouldn't have made it an option, but it turned out not to matter.

A bit powerful but not a problem IMO.

pancakemix wrote:voteless mason

You might want to consider how a player having no vote affects the lynch limit in future games. It seemed to me that it changed during the game so that at some points he more or less didn't count at all.

GG guys, good call there Skoff Death miller, seriously
I didn't do much besides offing the GF and dying (damn you Kwan ) but followed that one closely. I'm pretty surprised town won considering the scum's size and powers... I was expecting Kwan to win easily for his GF powers also. Mafia would have won if Sheep hadn't been silly and gone SK in fact

What's with all the people trying to kill me?

I wish I remembered to commute.

Also: anyone who NKs me is wasting a NK

Thezzaruz wrote:

pancakemix wrote:Day 5
Kwan-->Thez

Does this mean that we all had the choice (day/night) to use our actions when we became insomniacs? Wasn't mentioned IIRC.

No. Kwan was a night person, so his action was during the day.

pancakemix wrote:voteless mason

You might want to consider how a player having no vote affects the lynch limit in future games. It seemed to me that it changed during the game so that at some points he more or less didn't count at all.

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I'm not the first to use the role. It's not a balance problem at all. Also, given the double voter and the ability for him to gain a vote, it all worked out.

pancakemix wrote:No. Kwan was a night person, so his action was during the day.

Ah you tied the Scum night kill to a specific person, that explains it.

pancakemix wrote:I'm not the first to use the role. It's not a balance problem at all. Also, given the double voter and the ability for him to gain a vote, it all worked out.

I have no problem with the role in general. It just seemed that you didn't count him at all at times when it came to calculating how many votes that was needed for a lynch and that seemed a but weird to me.

Thezzaruz wrote:

pancakemix wrote:I'm not the first to use the role. It's not a balance problem at all. Also, given the double voter and the ability for him to gain a vote, it all worked out.

I have no problem with the role in general. It just seemed that you didn't count him at all at times when it came to calculating how many votes that was needed for a lynch and that seemed a but weird to me.

A lynch only takes a majority of available votes, not of all people.

pancakemix wrote:A lynch only takes a majority of available votes, not of all people.

Not how I'm used to it but it's fine either way. It just seemed a bit confused at times but if you where clear on how you used it then I have no complaints. cheers