Cat. Mafia Pain Killer & Kwanton WIN

LSU Tiger Josh · Post by **LSU Tiger Josh** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:40 pm

Takes 4 to lynch New Deadline Monday at 830PM CST
2 Kalish (Mandy, Kwanton, )

mandalorian2298
skoffin
kwanton
Aimless
Incan
Koesen

Day 2 Lynched:
7 ga7 (Mandy, Incan, Koeson, Kalish, Pain Killer, Kwanton, Aimless)
6 Pain Killer (Pancake, Mandy, Exile, Fircoal, Kwanton, Koeson)
6 PancakeMix (Kwanton, Aimless, Fircoal, Kalish, Pancake, Koeson)
5 Fircoal (Mandy, Aimless, Kwanton, Koeson, Kalish)
5 The1Exile (Koeson, Aimless, Kalish, Incan, Skoffin)

Skoffin · Post by **Skoffin** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:48 pm

I think we've done enough now, everyone cool to end it now? <<

vote no lynch

Aimless · Post by **Aimless** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:57 pm

Yeah, let's end it.

Vote: No lynch

mandalorian2298 · Post by **mandalorian2298** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 2:45 am

I am still interested to see why is Skoffin covering Kalish so (she woke up from her letargy to post 2 votes and bail Kalish out). In fact, I am interested enough to play the lynching game against Kalish. If he is Town, I am your next lynchee.

The1exile · Post by **The1exile** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:19 am

kalishnikov · Post by **kalishnikov** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:10 am

Agreed, Vote: No Lynch.

We've killed enough for today. Lets let the dust settle and see some roles.

kwanton, upon re-reading you may be right.

exile, how do you figure I'm skimming?

The1exile · Post by **The1exile** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:51 am

kalishnikov wrote:exile, how do you figure I'm skimming?

Because I claimed, and then 3 or 4 posts later you cite my supposed refusal to claim as a reason.

kwanton · Post by **kwanton** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:23 pm

kalishnikov wrote:kwanton, upon re-reading you may be right.

On what account? I said that we should leave 6 alive. This is to have a higher chance of getting scum before night. It is most likely that there are two scum-caused NK's and seven would leave us saf, but there is also a strong possibility that there are going to be 3 kills since this is catastrophe. If that is the case, lynching one more will not make a difference and it will give us a higher probability of having gotten scum.

My vote stays on kalish because his defense is a moot point because of someone's role which I am not supposed to say. Seriously if a lot of people still don't know I'm gonna just blurt it out.

LSU Tiger Josh · Post by **LSU Tiger Josh** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:26 pm

Takes 4 to lynch New Deadline Monday at 830PM CST
3 No Lynch (Skoffin, Aimless, Kalish)
2 Kalish (Mandy, Kwanton, )

mandalorian2298
skoffin
kwanton
Aimless
Incan
Koesen

Day 2 Lynched:
7 ga7 (Mandy, Incan, Koeson, Kalish, Pain Killer, Kwanton, Aimless)
6 Pain Killer (Pancake, Mandy, Exile, Fircoal, Kwanton, Koeson)
6 PancakeMix (Kwanton, Aimless, Fircoal, Kalish, Pancake, Koeson)
5 Fircoal (Mandy, Aimless, Kwanton, Koeson, Kalish)
5 The1Exile (Koeson, Aimless, Kalish, Incan, Skoffin)

Incandenza · Post by **Incandenza** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:40 pm

Okay, I don't have a lot of time at the moment, but we still have two days to deadline, and already we're at no lynch -1.... so let's just chill out for a moment.

Skoffin · Post by **Skoffin** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 2:16 am

mandalorian2298 wrote:I am still interested to see why is Skoffin covering Kalish so (she woke up from her letargy to post 2 votes and bail Kalish out). In fact, I am interested enough to play the lynching game against Kalish. If he is Town, I am your next lynchee.

...what? I'm not covering him, we already had three votes on exile and I thought this day has gone long enough. I'm on the fence about Kalish, do what you like with him.

mandalorian2298 · Post by **mandalorian2298** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:52 am

Skoffin wrote:
mandalorian2298 wrote:I am still interested to see why is Skoffin covering Kalish so (she woke up from her letargy to post 2 votes and bail Kalish out). In fact, I am interested enough to play the lynching game against Kalish. If he is Town, I am your next lynchee.

...what? I'm not covering him, we already had three votes on exile and I thought this day has gone long enough. I'm on the fence about Kalish, do what you like with him.

So you found it easier to to bandwagon then to vote a suspicus character. :roll:

Again I say, Kalish is scum. Lynch him now and you will see that I am right. If I am not, lynch me tommorow.

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 11:49 am

mandalorian2298 wrote:If I am not, lynch me tommorow.

Aren't you a bomb? Won't lynching you lead to the death of one voter, probably a townie?

kwanton · Post by **kwanton** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:05 pm

Koesen wrote:
mandalorian2298 wrote:If I am not, lynch me tommorow.

Aren't you a bomb? Won't lynching you lead to the death of one voter, probably a townie?

That's true, but I still think we should have one more lynch. Kalish seems scummy and there's really no detriment to lynching him. His power role is useless. If he is telling the truth, we won't know til the end of the day. So at night a cop investigates mandyand if he's town, then we have to assume bomb.

The possibility remains that mandy is actually the godfather. Even if he is, it won't matter if we lynch kalish or not since he pretty much has us bent over already.

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:13 pm

Actually, if Kalishnikov really is a bus driver, he is not useless. He might switch confirmed townies with other people, making it harder to target them for a night kill.

Mind you, I do not know for sure what he is.

Since there is plenty of time, I'll refrain from voting to await further developments.

kalishnikov · Post by **kalishnikov** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:15 pm

kwanton wrote:
kalishnikov wrote:kwanton, upon re-reading you may be right.

On what account? I said that we should leave 6 alive. This is to have a higher chance of getting scum before night. It is most likely that there are two scum-caused NK's and seven would leave us saf, but there is also a strong possibility that there are going to be 3 kills since this is catastrophe. If that is the case, lynching one more will not make a difference and it will give us a higher probability of having gotten scum.

My vote stays on kalish because his defense is a moot point because of someone's role which I am not supposed to say. Seriously if a lot of people still don't know I'm gonna just blurt it out.

About the fact that there may still be a doctor in the house, which is to what I assume the last statement in your post refers to.

Either way, it doesn't make my role useless.

kalishnikov · Post by **kalishnikov** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:25 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:
Skoffin wrote:
mandalorian2298 wrote:I am still interested to see why is Skoffin covering Kalish so (she woke up from her letargy to post 2 votes and bail Kalish out). In fact, I am interested enough to play the lynching game against Kalish. If he is Town, I am your next lynchee.

...what? I'm not covering him, we already had three votes on exile and I thought this day has gone long enough. I'm on the fence about Kalish, do what you like with him.

So you found it easier to to bandwagon then to vote a suspicus character. Again I say, Kalish is scum. Lynch him now and you will see that I am right. If I am not, lynch me tommorow.

Again, one problem with that argument: I'm not. I can prove it this evening. And being the bomb, would you not blow up with the lynch your suggesting and kill a lyncher?

FOS: mandalorian You've had a certain single mindedness for a few pages, get me lynched or die trying. Lyncher/lynchee maybe, or you think I'm the Psycho and your an Agent (unlikely)? Some weird role I'm not thinking of? I think your town, but since your trying really hard to get me killed with no real evidence (and I'm on your side) I gotta say somethings amiss.

mandalorian2298 · Post by **mandalorian2298** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 3:09 pm

kalishnikov wrote:
mandalorian2298 wrote:
Skoffin wrote:
mandalorian2298 wrote:I am still interested to see why is Skoffin covering Kalish so (she woke up from her letargy to post 2 votes and bail Kalish out). In fact, I am interested enough to play the lynching game against Kalish. If he is Town, I am your next lynchee.

...what? I'm not covering him, we already had three votes on exile and I thought this day has gone long enough. I'm on the fence about Kalish, do what you like with him.

So you found it easier to to bandwagon then to vote a suspicus character. Again I say, Kalish is scum. Lynch him now and you will see that I am right. If I am not, lynch me tommorow.

Again, one problem with that argument: I'm not. I can prove it this evening. And being the bomb, would you not blow up with the lynch your suggesting and kill a lyncher?

FOS: mandalorian You've had a certain single mindedness for a few pages, get me lynched or die trying. Lyncher/lynchee maybe, or you think I'm the Psycho and your an Agent (unlikely)? Some weird role I'm not thinking of? I think your town, but since your trying really hard to get me killed with no real evidence (and I'm on your side) I gotta say somethings amiss.

Bloody Bomb is cramping my style. :evil:

But you are both right, I haven't tought of that.

Ok, new plan: Lynch Kalish and, if I missed and he is town, instead of lynching me just call me an idiot.

Aimless · Post by **Aimless** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:00 pm

I fully plan on getting kalish lynched. Tomorrow.

Right now, making another lynch is dangerous. If there are still two scum left, and two night kills, that gives us five alive with two scum come morning. If we lynch another and get the same result, it gives us four alive with two scum, game over.

Incandenza · Post by **Incandenza** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 7:44 pm

Aimless wrote:I fully plan on getting kalish lynched. Tomorrow.

Right now, making another lynch is dangerous. If there are still two scum left, and two night kills, that gives us five alive with two scum come morning. If we lynch another and get the same result, it gives us four alive with two scum, game over.

I trust kalish about as far as I can shotput the planet, but you make an interesting point.

But before I vote no lynch (and before anyone else drops the hammer on same), would it be a good idea to hand out investigative assignments for the night? Or are we better off just letting everyone trust their gut and hope it turns out okay?

Aimless · Post by **Aimless** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:24 pm

I strongly disapprove of trying to guide the hands of cops; it makes the mafia's job so much easier.

As for the chances of double investigations with this main claimed investigative roles - well, that gives us a chance to check who's lying.

mandalorian2298 · Post by **mandalorian2298** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:52 am

Aimless wrote:I fully plan on getting kalish lynched. Tomorrow.

Right now, making another lynch is dangerous. If there are still two scum left, and two night kills, that gives us five alive with two scum come morning. If we lynch another and get the same result, it gives us four alive with two scum, game over.

So, you afraid that, should Kalish's identity be revealed before the game ends, your chances of leading us 'till the end will be endangered. Now I really want to know if I am right about Kalish. C'mon people, think for yourself instead of just following Aimless. Why does the guy who kept suggesting a massacre suddenly go pacifistic when it comes to killing Kalish. Lynch him and, if he is Town, lynch me tommorow and I will hammer myself. I really think that we can learn A LOT from this lynch.

kwanton · Post by **kwanton** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:40 am

^^^^^^
Listen to the man(dy)!

My vote stays on kalish. I wanted to lynch him instead of exile but you all had to bandwagon on the other guy........

There's only one situation where lynching one more would be detrimental. I went over this b4. If there are two NK's then leaving 7 would make us safe while lynching 1 more could end the game for us. There are two other possibilities tho. If there are 3 NK's tonight then we are already boned and we should have tried to end it before the night. If there is 1 NK then leaving 6 still will not get us to endgame. And if we lynch one more there will be a higher probability of catching scum making the third possibility more probable.

The original point of the mass claim was to lynch as many as we can. There is a single situation where lynching one more would be bad. There are two where lynching one more won't make a difference other than to allow us more chances to catch scum. Do the math.

kalishnikov · Post by **kalishnikov** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:44 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:
Aimless wrote:I fully plan on getting kalish lynched. Tomorrow.

Right now, making another lynch is dangerous. If there are still two scum left, and two night kills, that gives us five alive with two scum come morning. If we lynch another and get the same result, it gives us four alive with two scum, game over.

So, you afraid that, should Kalish's identity be revealed before the game ends, your chances of leading us 'till the end will be endangered. Now I really want to know if I am right about Kalish. C'mon people, think for yourself instead of just following Aimless. Why does the guy who kept suggesting a massacre suddenly go pacifistic when it comes to killing Kalish. Lynch him and, if he is Town, lynch me tommorow and I will hammer myself. I really think that we can learn A LOT from this lynch.

Wow madalorian really wants to take control of this game.

And yes, your gonna learn a lot from my lynch. Your gonna learn that you were wrong, then your gonna say "oh, I'm surprised, can't believe he's town" (mandalorian already knows this, he's playing his role very well). But at that point it's too late. So when you lynch me, and the scum get there 2+ NK's, that's 3 townies. What's that leave, 4 alive with 2 scum? And that's assuming only 2 kills, there may be more.

Thus I say, lynch me, thats fine. Just wait till tomorrow to do it or your gonna fall into a well-crafted trap. If we loose 3 townies between tonight and the next morning, we're not going to win.

kwanton · Post by **kwanton** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:55 pm

kalishnikov wrote: So when you lynch me, and the scum get there 2+ NK's, that's 3 townies. What's that leave, 4 alive with 2 scum? And that's assuming only 2 kills, there may be more.

AHHHHHHHH! I said this before. 2 is the only number of kills which would screw us over with one more lynch. I'm assuming 3 is the absolute maximum with the number of people left and based on the previous night. It doesn't matter though. We have 7 alive now. If there are more than 2 NK's as you suggest then thats 4 alive max. And there would be at least 2 mafia. 2= half of four=endgame. So if there are three NK's then we're screwed already and there is no detriment to lynching one more. it will only give us the chance to catch more mafia. Of course if there is one scum we're also safe either way.

2 SITUATIONS WHERE 1 MORE LYNCH WILL HELP US MORE THAN HURT US. 1 SITUATION WHERE LYNCHING ONE MORE WOULD HURT US! do the math everyone.