Conquer Club

Rodion wrote:On further though, killing Victor is even better, now that they claimed that Edocsil also inherited recruiting powers.

If they are telling the truth, Victor and Edocsil are equally valuable to town.

If they are lying and are part of a cult, then offing the recruiter sooner rather than later is the best course of action.

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Vote Victor Sullivan.

F1fth wrote:

Rodion wrote:On further though, killing Victor is even better, now that they claimed that Edocsil also inherited recruiting powers.

If they are telling the truth, Victor and Edocsil are equally valuable to town.

If they are lying and are part of a cult, then offing the recruiter sooner rather than later is the best course of action.

Unvote

Vote Victor Sullivan.

Haha, well played. I was thinking this as I was read your previous post.

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one wary of losing this game to a sneaky cult. I think we stand a lot more to gain then lose by testing this out. Vote Victor

Mass Miracle wrote:

F1fth wrote:

Rodion wrote:On further though, killing Victor is even better, now that they claimed that Edocsil also inherited recruiting powers.

If they are telling the truth, Victor and Edocsil are equally valuable to town.

If they are lying and are part of a cult, then offing the recruiter sooner rather than later is the best course of action.

Unvote

Vote Victor Sullivan.

Haha, well played. I was thinking this as I was read your previous post.

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one wary of losing this game to a sneaky cult. I think we stand a lot more to gain then lose by testing this out. Vote Victor

I agree, this cult is much too powerful. I can't buy it. Vote Victor

Victor Sullivan wrote:

safariguy5 wrote:Did you try to recruit Com9 Night 1 then?

No, got tonkaed. I originally denied it due to the fact that I thought going public with it would essentially forfeit my being able to convince mafia to join the group. After he was modkilled, there became benefits to recruiting town (the additional investigations), so I told edocsil about it Night 2 then recruited him.

-Sully

freezie wrote:I can confirm Lala did not lie about her cellar card. She told me that she had the chief as innocent before announcing to town.

And if Lala has no reasons to do that, what reason would I have to CLAIM MAFIA.

edocsil wrote:Look. Calling use a cult is like trying to compare apples and oranges.

Cult
Scum can usually not be recruited
Cult leader is the only one who can recruit
Recruitment is not optional

Mason
Anyone can be recruited
Joining techniques are varied, ours allows rapid expansion of forces with the known caveat of deniable recruitment


So how does it make sense to call us cult?

edocsil wrote:We have been over this before, VS is innocent, and that means he isn't cult. Lynching me only results in reducing the Masons to a single easily killed player.

safariguy5 wrote:My concern is that freezie's faction may be willing to accept the offer, but GT's faction may not. If we lynch one of them now and GT's faction kills the other in the night, then the idea of everyone winning together is kaput. Let's lynch a scummier person now, and then see what the night results bring (successful recruitment or not, more info from freezie).

freezie wrote:And Rodion, Victor is INNOCENT. Lala had his card, she told me he was innocent and she had no reason to lie as we were on the same side. And I wouldn't be claiming mafia without beeing sure that Victor wasn't cult.

safariguy5 wrote:I think you're being overcautious here. With freezie accepting the deal, if Victor is cult, they're basically hamstrung at this point. If they don't recruit freezie tonight, then we know they're cult and we can kill them. If they do recruit freezie, we can test sully's claim by lynching him tomorrow. It also guarantees against one of the factions killing off the potential town recruiting faction and taking their chances.

Victor Sullivan wrote:Here is a giant list I've compiled showing those of you voting for me why you're either stupid or scum:

Victor Sullivan wrote:

safariguy5 wrote:Did you try to recruit Com9 Night 1 then?

No, got tonkaed. I originally denied it due to the fact that I thought going public with it would essentially forfeit my being able to convince mafia to join the group. After he was modkilled, there became benefits to recruiting town (the additional investigations), so I told edocsil about it Night 2 then recruited him.

-Sully

So lying to the town is ok as long as you save your own butt? That's scumtalk.

freezie wrote:I can confirm Lala did not lie about her cellar card. She told me that she had the chief as innocent before announcing to town.

And if Lala has no reasons to do that, what reason would I have to CLAIM MAFIA.

I will agree with this logic, however, the claim must still be tested.

edocsil wrote:Look. Calling use a cult is like trying to compare apples and oranges.

Cult
Scum can usually not be recruited
Cult leader is the only one who can recruit
Recruitment is not optional

Mason
Anyone can be recruited
Joining techniques are varied, ours allows rapid expansion of forces with the known caveat of deniable recruitment


So how does it make sense to call us cult?

Total Bullhonkey post. Already disputed.

edocsil wrote:We have been over this before, VS is innocent, and that means he isn't cult. Lynching me only results in reducing the Masons to a single easily killed player.

edoc was pretty much my number 1 target already for extremely scummy behaviour. His evidence can not be held in your favour.

safariguy5 wrote:My concern is that freezie's faction may be willing to accept the offer, but GT's faction may not. If we lynch one of them now and GT's faction kills the other in the night, then the idea of everyone winning together is kaput. Let's lynch a scummier person now, and then see what the night results bring (successful recruitment or not, more info from freezie).

So, at least one person agrees with you, therefore you are cleared?

freezie wrote:And Rodion, Victor is INNOCENT. Lala had his card, she told me he was innocent and she had no reason to lie as we were on the same side. And I wouldn't be claiming mafia without beeing sure that Victor wasn't cult.

Redundant

safariguy5 wrote:I think you're being overcautious here. With freezie accepting the deal, if Victor is cult, they're basically hamstrung at this point. If they don't recruit freezie tonight, then we know they're cult and we can kill them. If they do recruit freezie, we can test sully's claim by lynching him tomorrow. It also guarantees against one of the factions killing off the potential town recruiting faction and taking their chances.

Wrong. How do we know freezie isn't just lying once he gets recruited?
I'm sorry, but this is just ridiculous! The logic here can't possibly be disputed here, can it?

-Sully

Victor Sullivan wrote:Alright, dispute everything else aside from freezie's confirmation of lalaland's confirming of my innocence. freezie would not be so stupid as to expose himself as scum unless he knew I was town.

-Sully

DoomYoshi wrote:The logic can be disputed. Here's a question. If you are trying to recruit town, why choose edoc? Why not choose a confirmed townie? This question can be directed at your very first quote. Too much is not adding up here. I am not saying that you are lying, I am just saying that I can not let this day go without testing your claim.

Victor Sullivan wrote:Ah, sorry:

DoomYoshi wrote:The logic can be disputed. Here's a question. If you are trying to recruit town, why choose edoc? Why not choose a confirmed townie? This question can be directed at your very first quote. Too much is not adding up here. I am not saying that you are lying, I am just saying that I can not let this day go without testing your claim.

edocsil and I were partners, so I could talk to him at night, Night 2. By Night 2, I had gotten my new set of perks, due to got tonkaed's PM quoting (as I mentioned earlier), so I decided to tell edoc the truth in hopes that he would agree to be recruited. It honestly didn't matter to me whether or not edoc was mafia or town, and I thought I could convince him either way.

-Sully

DoomYoshi wrote:

Victor Sullivan wrote:Ah, sorry:

DoomYoshi wrote:The logic can be disputed. Here's a question. If you are trying to recruit town, why choose edoc? Why not choose a confirmed townie? This question can be directed at your very first quote. Too much is not adding up here. I am not saying that you are lying, I am just saying that I can not let this day go without testing your claim.

edocsil and I were partners, so I could talk to him at night, Night 2. By Night 2, I had gotten my new set of perks, due to got tonkaed's PM quoting (as I mentioned earlier), so I decided to tell edoc the truth in hopes that he would agree to be recruited. It honestly didn't matter to me whether or not edoc was mafia or town, and I thought I could convince him either way.

-Sully

So the mods decided to balance the loss of a mafia member by making the town members more powerful? So if you thought you could convince him either way, why say "there became benefits to recruiting town" when you clearly admit that it didn't matter who you recruited. This story really isn't adding up now. I will let it rest for tonight and let some others weigh in as well.

DoomYoshi wrote:

Victor Sullivan wrote:Alright, dispute everything else aside from freezie's confirmation of lalaland's confirming of my innocence. freezie would not be so stupid as to expose himself as scum unless he knew I was town.

-Sully

Not true. He knew he was taking a big risk exposing himself. Also, you didn't answer the question.

Victor Sullivan wrote:Not to mention, Rodion, that both edocsil and I can recruit masons. So if there's another that would like to be recruited, feel free to speak up.

-Sully

DoomYoshi wrote:

Victor Sullivan wrote:Not to mention, Rodion, that both edocsil and I can recruit masons. So if there's another that would like to be recruited, feel free to speak up.

-Sully

What the hell, recruit me.

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safariguy5 wrote:Man that lynch took a while to develop. So Victor recruits Doom and edoc recruits freezie? Or is it just one recruitment a night? I'd say recruit freezie first.

safariguy5 wrote:Anything to say in your defense target? You're at L-1 and about to be hammered I think.