Conquer Club

saxitoxin wrote:
As of today, April 7, global consensus is against GMOs as evidenced by EU and Russian law. Anyone advocating for them is, therefore, espousing a fringe viewpoint.

As evidenced how?

Earlier you said that it was a regulation to give people choice. Now these same regulations are not about choice, but about one side over the other?

saxitoxin wrote:

mrswdk wrote:

foxiboxin wrote:As of today, April 7, global consensus is against GMOs as evidenced by EU and Russian law. Anyone advocating for them is, therefore, espousing a fringe viewpoint.

All great visionaries - from Galileo to Pankhurst to Mao - started out as fringe thinkers.

Not all fringe thinkers end up as great visionaries.

Looks like we got ourselves a Mexican stand-off.

The next question is about food in general. What makes GMO food a worse market choice than other agricultural practices?

I would suggest that cereal subsidization and the forcing of cash crops onto farmers have ruined agriculture more than GMOs ever will.

Never mind the Soviets greatest accomplishment

Donetsk declare independent from Ukraine.

Qwert wrote:Donetsk declare independent from Ukraine.

You're a few posts late.

Qwert wrote:Donetsk declare independent from Ukraine.

Or, more accurately, thugs storm a government building and say that the city is Russian.

qwert wrote:To be honest in Africa most people starving, and still in US and West Countries(high developed ) are throw food in garbage . So if Monsanto create GMO to increase more food , so that people not starve , then he need to sell GMO to Africa for low prices. If Monsanto sell GMO to rich countries to make big profit, then this reason "geneticists try to make food be able to feed more people" are pointless, because poor people in Africa , who starving, can not buy GMO, and will stay hungry.

US companies look for profit, they dont care for poor people in Africa who starve to dead.

Zambia, for example, refused any GM food aid from the U.S. during the 2002 drought. Other South African countries have likewise refused any unmilled products for fear of contamination. These are just some of the examples of the U.S. giving away GM food.

saxi wrote:GMOs are dangerous because they are designed to bring about a disharmonious economic system, which is dangerous. So saying GMOs are dangerous is 100% accurate. Russia stands tall with the 34 EU states who have banned and/or required warning labels on GMOs.

Shrilling on about this and joining the "hurr-durr frankenfood" crowd, you're simply ensuring that the corporations will continue to engage in this behavior. They don't give two shits whether you force some ban or labeling agenda. They'll still find ways to lobby legislators and bring their products to market, and people will still consume them.

-TG

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:

qwert wrote:To be honest in Africa most people starving, and still in US and West Countries(high developed ) are throw food in garbage . So if Monsanto create GMO to increase more food , so that people not starve , then he need to sell GMO to Africa for low prices. If Monsanto sell GMO to rich countries to make big profit, then this reason "geneticists try to make food be able to feed more people" are pointless, because poor people in Africa , who starving, can not buy GMO, and will stay hungry.

US companies look for profit, they dont care for poor people in Africa who starve to dead.

Zambia, for example, refused any GM food aid from the U.S. during the 2002 drought. Other South African countries have likewise refused any unmilled products for fear of contamination. These are just some of the examples of the U.S. giving away GM food.

Yes, forward-thinking of Zambia. One day Zambia would like to grow their own food and, when they do, they don't want to be bankrupted by patent infringement lawsuits from Monsanto due to the U.S. seed Trojan Horse. The U.S. has essentially given Zambia a choice: (a) starve to death, or, (b) become a food colony of the U.S. They're between a rock and a hard place - face starvation of this generation, or face eternal poverty for all future generations. They've taken a courageous stand.

Symmetry wrote:

Qwert wrote:Donetsk declare independent from Ukraine.

Or, more accurately, thugs storm a government building and say that the city is Russian.

Yeah, pretty much.

saxitoxin wrote:

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:

qwert wrote:To be honest in Africa most people starving, and still in US and West Countries(high developed ) are throw food in garbage . So if Monsanto create GMO to increase more food , so that people not starve , then he need to sell GMO to Africa for low prices. If Monsanto sell GMO to rich countries to make big profit, then this reason "geneticists try to make food be able to feed more people" are pointless, because poor people in Africa , who starving, can not buy GMO, and will stay hungry.

US companies look for profit, they dont care for poor people in Africa who starve to dead.

Zambia, for example, refused any GM food aid from the U.S. during the 2002 drought. Other South African countries have likewise refused any unmilled products for fear of contamination. These are just some of the examples of the U.S. giving away GM food.

Yes, forward-thinking of Zambia. One day Zambia would like to grow their own food and, when they do, they don't want to be bankrupted by patent infringement lawsuits from Monsanto due to the U.S. seed Trojan Horse. The U.S. has essentially given Zambia a choice: (a) starve to death, or, (b) become a food colony of the U.S. They're between a rock and a hard place - face starvation of this generation, or face eternal poverty for all future generations. They've taken a courageous stand.

How many international patent infringement lawsuits has Monsanto won?

From what I recall, enforcing US patent law against foreign producers is extremely difficult and usually not worth the cost.


It could also be the case that Zambia is pursuing a protectionist policy. Closing one's markets to prevent a possible (unlikely?) future patent infringement is pretty far-sighted and excessive on part of Zambia's government. Governments don't primarily use import quotas and tariffs to protect from future patent infringements; they do it to reduce competition which pleases domestic producers (and generally hurts domestic consumers with higher prices and/or lower quantities).

BigBallinStalin wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:

qwert wrote:To be honest in Africa most people starving, and still in US and West Countries(high developed ) are throw food in garbage . So if Monsanto create GMO to increase more food , so that people not starve , then he need to sell GMO to Africa for low prices. If Monsanto sell GMO to rich countries to make big profit, then this reason "geneticists try to make food be able to feed more people" are pointless, because poor people in Africa , who starving, can not buy GMO, and will stay hungry.

US companies look for profit, they dont care for poor people in Africa who starve to dead.

Zambia, for example, refused any GM food aid from the U.S. during the 2002 drought. Other South African countries have likewise refused any unmilled products for fear of contamination. These are just some of the examples of the U.S. giving away GM food.

Yes, forward-thinking of Zambia. One day Zambia would like to grow their own food and, when they do, they don't want to be bankrupted by patent infringement lawsuits from Monsanto due to the U.S. seed Trojan Horse. The U.S. has essentially given Zambia a choice: (a) starve to death, or, (b) become a food colony of the U.S. They're between a rock and a hard place - face starvation of this generation, or face eternal poverty for all future generations. They've taken a courageous stand.

How many international patent infringement lawsuits has Monsanto won?

From what I recall, enforcing US patent law against foreign producers is extremely difficult and usually not worth the cost.

I don't know the answer to #1, in reference to #2, I've already addressed the TRIPS Agreement, the bio-pharma provisions of which kick-in in 2017, IIRC. Monsanto hasn't been buying presidents and senators the last two decades for house decor, they're buying them for TRIPS flexibility. U.S. greed-colonialism must be stopped by hook or by crook.

Symmetry wrote:

Qwert wrote:Donetsk declare independent from Ukraine.

Or, more accurately, thugs storm a government building and say that the city is Russian.

So if protestors are pro EU they are freedom fighters and if they are pro Russian they are thugs?

GoranZ wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

Qwert wrote:Donetsk declare independent from Ukraine.

Or, more accurately, thugs storm a government building and say that the city is Russian.

So if protestors are pro EU they are freedom fighters and if they are pro Russian they are thugs?

Precisely. Being pro-Russian is being pro-slavery.

Compare and contrast:
Soviet occupation of Afghanistan vs American occupation of Afghanistan

Clearly, the Marine corps is the best thing that can happen to a country.

saxitoxin wrote:

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:

qwert wrote:To be honest in Africa most people starving, and still in US and West Countries(high developed ) are throw food in garbage . So if Monsanto create GMO to increase more food , so that people not starve , then he need to sell GMO to Africa for low prices. If Monsanto sell GMO to rich countries to make big profit, then this reason "geneticists try to make food be able to feed more people" are pointless, because poor people in Africa , who starving, can not buy GMO, and will stay hungry.

US companies look for profit, they dont care for poor people in Africa who starve to dead.

Zambia, for example, refused any GM food aid from the U.S. during the 2002 drought. Other South African countries have likewise refused any unmilled products for fear of contamination. These are just some of the examples of the U.S. giving away GM food.

Yes, forward-thinking of Zambia. One day Zambia would like to grow their own food and, when they do, they don't want to be bankrupted by patent infringement lawsuits from Monsanto due to the U.S. seed Trojan Horse. The U.S. has essentially given Zambia a choice: (a) starve to death, or, (b) become a food colony of the U.S. They're between a rock and a hard place - face starvation of this generation, or face eternal poverty for all future generations. They've taken a courageous stand.

According to this document:
http://www.zda.org.zm/sites/default/files/Sector%20Profile%20-%20Agriculture.pdf

90% of what Zambia grows is from the Americas. It's really a shame that the Zambians of 200 years ago weren't as forward thinking as the Zambians of today.

DoomYoshi wrote:

GoranZ wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

Qwert wrote:Donetsk declare independent from Ukraine.

Or, more accurately, thugs storm a government building and say that the city is Russian.

So if protestors are pro EU they are freedom fighters and if they are pro Russian they are thugs?

Precisely. Being pro-Russian is being pro-slavery.

So Russians should not like their country

Well since you shit in your pants when ever you hear or read the word Russia I have 1 video for you... The dog is you, and we all know which nation considers the bear as its national symbol


P.S. Unfortunately no genetic engineering can help you.

GoranZ wrote:

DoomYoshi wrote:

GoranZ wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

Qwert wrote:Donetsk declare independent from Ukraine.

Or, more accurately, thugs storm a government building and say that the city is Russian.

So if protestors are pro EU they are freedom fighters and if they are pro Russian they are thugs?

Precisely. Being pro-Russian is being pro-slavery.

So Russians should not like their country

Well since you shit in your pants when ever you hear or read the word Russia I have 1 video for you... The dog is you, and we all know which nation considers the bear as its national symbol


P.S. Unfortunately no genetic engineering can help you.

Well, consider me persuaded as to the sophisticated political thought underlying your argument. I'd disagree with you and qwert, but I'm worried there might be a youtube video of a kitten in the works.

Then I'd be screwed.

Symmetry wrote:

Qwert wrote:Donetsk declare independent from Ukraine.

Or, more accurately, thugs storm a government building and say that the city is Russian.

nope,i dont find this, im only find that they declare independence from thugs who storm government buildings in Kiev .

if only EU backed 21 February agreement, things could be much better.

Qwert wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

Qwert wrote:Donetsk declare independent from Ukraine.

Or, more accurately, thugs storm a government building and say that the city is Russian.

nope,i dont find this, im only find that they declare independence from thugs who storm government buildings in Kiev .

if only EU backed 21 February agreement, things could be much better.

Perhaps you should look at media sources not controlled directly by the Russian government,

That's just a suggestion though.

believe me or not (its up to you) i read Washington post-The new york times-CNN-Al JAzzera.
I dont read Russian news.
And i dont see in any of this news that someone call hem tugs.

Symmetry wrote:

Qwert wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

Qwert wrote:Donetsk declare independent from Ukraine.

Or, more accurately, thugs storm a government building and say that the city is Russian.

nope,i dont find this, im only find that they declare independence from thugs who storm government buildings in Kiev .

if only EU backed 21 February agreement, things could be much better.

Perhaps you should look at media sources not controlled directly by the Russian government,

Like media controlled directly by the British government, such as the BBC? Or another government-owned news service? Voice of America? Deutsche Welle? AFP? RCI?

edit - I just bing-dot-commed RCI and apparently Canada stopped funding the RCI due to budget constraints. I always thought that was funny anyway, why anyone who was planning on tuning-in to an English language foreign propaganda broadcaster would choose a service from a minor power. It was probably duplicating the VOA / BBC noise machine at 10% the volume.

Qwert wrote:believe me or not (its up to you) i read Washington post-The new york times-CNN-Al JAzzera.
I dont read Russian news.
And i dont see in any of this news that someone call hem tugs.

I don't believe you-

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/03/14/witnesses-share-video-and-accounts-of-deadly-attack-on-anti-war-rally-in-eastern-ukraine-by-russian-separatists/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

Although glimpses of the violence were caught on the phones of several witnesses, the clearest footage of the assault was recorded by a reporter for Vice News, Robert King. Mr. King’s video showed the Russian separatists hurling bricks and fireworks at a small number of participants in the anti-war rally, before breaking through police lines to beat the unarmed demonstrators.

Symmetry wrote:

Qwert wrote:believe me or not (its up to you) i read Washington post-The new york times-CNN-Al JAzzera.
I dont read Russian news.
And i dont see in any of this news that someone call hem tugs.

I don't believe you-

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/03/14/witnesses-share-video-and-accounts-of-deadly-attack-on-anti-war-rally-in-eastern-ukraine-by-russian-separatists/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

Although glimpses of the violence were caught on the phones of several witnesses, the clearest footage of the assault was recorded by a reporter for Vice News, Robert King. Mr. King’s video showed the Russian separatists hurling bricks and fireworks at a small number of participants in the anti-war rally, before breaking through police lines to beat the unarmed demonstrators.

you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs

Or here, in the Washington Post-

KHARKIV, Ukraine — Not far from this city in eastern Ukraine, Russian tanks are conducting border maneuvers. Yet for the pro-Moscow activists who gather around the statue of Vladimir Lenin in the city’s main square, that is still not close enough.

Such sentiments pose a serious challenge to Ukraine’s new pro-Western government. The pro-Moscow forces in the industrialized east are staging increasingly violent ­clashes with those loyal to the Ukrainian government — leading Russia on Friday to threaten more starkly than ever that it reserves the right to “protect” ethnic Russians.

CNN-

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russia-supporters-in-eastern-ukraine-pose-challenges-to-pro-western-government/2014/03/14/be21eeec-ab77-11e3-b8ca-197ef3568958_story.html

It is unsafe to be pro-Ukrainian in Crimea right now, as the region is controlled by Russian military and hired thugs.