Conquer Club

thegreekdog wrote:Yeah, Catholics accept evolution, the Big Bang, and various other scientific theories. I'm not sure why people think otherwise.

1 - They didn't always accept those things.
2 - They believe things for which there is no evidence, so it's maybe not a stretch to think they might not believe things for which there is a fuckton of evidence.
3 - People are stupid.
4 - Catholics also accept :
a - Gods forgiveness on a regular basis.
b - Donations
c - Babysitting offers

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Aradhus wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:Yeah, Catholics accept evolution, the Big Bang, and various other scientific theories. I'm not sure why people think otherwise.

1 - They didn't always accept those things.
2 - They believe things for which there is no evidence, so it's maybe not a stretch to think they might not believe things for which there is a fuckton of evidence.
3 - People are stupid.
4 - Catholics also accept :
a - Gods forgiveness on a regular basis.
b - Donations
c - Babysitting offers

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Really? Those are the arguments you're going for?

Aradhus wrote::oops:

Meh- it's not all a zero-sum game.

Ever seen The Hurt Locker?

how can you call catholics stupid for believing in 'things that have no evidence' but then say you believe in the big bang?

and nice ignorance when you make pedophile jokes about catholics. that is very funny and original and also completely not at all prejudiced. well done

the carpet man wrote:how can you call catholics stupid for believing in 'things that have no evidence' but then say you believe in the big bang?

and nice ignorance when you make pedophile jokes about catholics. that is very funny and original and also completely not at all prejudiced. well done

I said people are stupid, which yes, includes, but is not limited to, catholics. I never said I believed in the big bang. and I made a generic statement about babysitting alluding to a stereotypical bias people have about groups of people, which bookends the entire point of my post.

the carpet man wrote:how can you call catholics stupid for believing in 'things that have no evidence' but then say you believe in the big bang?

and nice ignorance when you make pedophile jokes about catholics. that is very funny and original and also completely not at all prejudiced. well done

Joking about it isn't funny, it is not something you should joke about. However, the catholic church has a horrible history in it.

yes and humans have a history of pedophilia therefore all humans are pedophiles. way to generalise.

the carpet man wrote:yes and humans have a history of pedophilia therefore all humans are pedophiles. way to generalise.

I didn't generalise or lay that upon every Catholic. It is well known that the Catholic church has had it's fair share of pedophile scandals, that's all I'm saying.

Aradhus wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:Yeah, Catholics accept evolution, the Big Bang, and various other scientific theories. I'm not sure why people think otherwise.

1 - They didn't always accept those things.

Niether did the scientific community. In fact, there was a strong belief in spontaneous generation among the learned for a time. Took reviewing the evidence to prove facts to both groups (science and the Roman Catholic Church).
Note.. The Roman Catholic church is examining the specific bits about human evolution, but then, so are scientists everywhere all the time.

Aradhus wrote:2 - They believe things for which there is no evidence, so it's maybe not a stretch to think they might not believe things for which there is a fuckton of evidence.

Not really, but admitting that would mean you might actually have to consider that you are just plain wrong.. and THAT is the real reason so many atheists have to attack Christianity.

(and certainly a lot of Christians do that, though not greekdog nor myself -- we each just defend our faiths).

So let me see if I understand the argument here.

You guys are claiming that the catholic church is a progressive institution, anxious to accept recent social and scientific advancements ?

Haggis_McMutton wrote:So let me see if I understand the argument here.

You guys are claiming that the catholic church is a progressive institution, anxious to accept recent social and scientific advancements ?

Yes precisely. The church doesn't like to admit its wrong so it waits until no one but the rick santorums of this world believe it and then they are forced to re-interpret archaic books written for goat herders thousands of years ago to attempt to explain today's greatest scientific discoveries. This usually involves changing previous passages of the bible from fact or true story to allegory.

Haggis_McMutton wrote:So let me see if I understand the argument here.

You guys are claiming that the catholic church is a progressive institution, anxious to accept recent social and scientific advancements ?

Scientific advancements? Yes. Social advancements? No.

pmchugh wrote:

the carpet man wrote:yes and humans have a history of pedophilia therefore all humans are pedophiles. way to generalise.

I didn't generalise or lay that upon every Catholic. It is well known that the Catholic church has had it's fair share of pedophile scandals, that's all I'm saying.

Pretty sure it's more than their fair share. Just like Muslims have way more than their fair share of suicide bombers, and Jews have way more than their fair share of brilliant and talented entertainers.

pimpdave wrote:

pmchugh wrote:

the carpet man wrote:yes and humans have a history of pedophilia therefore all humans are pedophiles. way to generalise.

I didn't generalise or lay that upon every Catholic. It is well known that the Catholic church has had it's fair share of pedophile scandals, that's all I'm saying.

Pretty sure it's more than their fair share. Just like Muslims have way more than their fair share of suicide bombers, and Jews have way more than their fair share of brilliant and talented entertainers.

JEWS. IN. SPPPPAAAAAACCCEEE!!!!! PROTECTING THE HEBREW RAAACE!!!!!

PLAYER57832 wrote:

Aradhus wrote:2 - They believe things for which there is no evidence, so it's maybe not a stretch to think they might not believe things for which there is a fuckton of evidence.

Not really, but admitting that would mean you might actually have to consider that you are just plain wrong.. and THAT is the real reason so many atheists have to attack Christianity.

Yes, yes, this was the point in the 'Is there a god?' thread where you needed to make a worthless clueless generalization professing to know the specific motivation behind the actions of a large group of people.

Yes, God exists. Questions?

shieldgenerator7 wrote:Yes, God exists. Questions?

What God do you believe exists? If there is a God I would be very interested to know what he is like and what his purpose is. Also, please provide reasoning as to why you believe God exists.

PLAYER57832 wrote:

Aradhus wrote:2 - They believe things for which there is no evidence, so it's maybe not a stretch to think they might not believe things for which there is a fuckton of evidence.

Not really, but admitting that would mean you might actually have to consider that you are just plain wrong.. and THAT is the real reason so many atheists have to attack Christianity.

I am willing to contemplate I may be wrong about a God, but not about a Christian God.

Question: Why does God essentially condemn billions of people to hell in non Christian countries?

pmchugh wrote:Question: Why does God essentially condemn billions of people to hell in non Christian countries?

[sigh] God doesn't. But we have free will.
and.. its not so simple at all as "born in a non-Christian country' = doomed to hell. I am several others have gone into this in other threads, but I don't care to go over it again now to please you.

PLAYER57832 wrote:

pmchugh wrote:Question: Why does God essentially condemn billions of people to hell in non Christian countries?

[sigh] God doesn't. But we have free will.
and.. its not so simple at all as "born in a non-Christian country' = doomed to hell. I am several others have gone into this in other threads, but I don't care to go over it again now to please you.

Free will? Don't ya kind of need to have been introduced to Christianity to be a follower of it? There are billions round the world where they have no choice, yet the Bible teaches "not a Christian = doomed to hell" which implies "born in a non-Christian country = doomed to hell".

I suppose that bit of the Bible was just referencing people in the know though, people like me who deserve to be tortured for all eternity for being created sinful. Sorry to waffle on to another point but I didn't "choose" to be sinful either, it is an inherent part of mankind.

PLAYER57832 wrote:

pmchugh wrote:Question: Why does God essentially condemn billions of people to hell in non Christian countries?

[sigh] God doesn't. But we have free will.
and.. its not so simple at all as "born in a non-Christian country' = doomed to hell. I am several others have gone into this in other threads, but I don't care to go over it again now to please you.

No actually you and others have consistently avoided the point in other threads . Ones choices in life are massively influenced by geographical and social factors , if there is an afterlife then the main factor involved in getting there will be luck.

shieldgenerator7 wrote:Yes, God exists. Questions?

Why are you so afraid of applying reason to your beliefs that you have to hide behind metaphorical shields? Is your god so fragile?

Haggis_McMutton wrote:

shieldgenerator7 wrote:Yes, God exists. Questions?

Why are you so afraid of applying reason to your beliefs that you have to hide behind metaphorical shields? Is your god so fragile?

There is an old saying... never argue with a fool because he will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.

My experience is that when you try to "apply reason" about your religion to others they often scoff at you and throw it in your face... assuming you're an overgrown stubborn gullible individual who can't think on your own.

While what you see is someone still struggling to hold on to beliefs that illogical, sad and terror striken that his only truths would be torn to shreds; what lies beneath that layer of skin and bones is a soul who still believes after coming to terms with the possibility that his religion is made of lies that were genuinely perceived as truths and were not an attempt at a clever deception. What the soul tries to broadcast about itself the hide blurs and mars the original intent of the message, and scrambles the actually state of the mind. Facial expressions mask the real emotions hidden beneath, rendering the task of reading one's true emotions a near impossible task. One cannot truly understand the walk of life of another, and can only guess and assume what it may be by what they say and do. The internet only serves to further blend the reality of one's self into the fiction which the viewer on the other side would like to see or thinks that they see.

This is why I don't debate my religion with other people, especially via the internet. It is too difficult for you to understand the direction from where I come, and likewise me to you. The debate would leave us both further struggling with our beliefs and both further scarred by one another, leaving a taste of hatred on each others' tongue. Distasteful. Furthermore, the entertainment value of posting one-liners heavily surpasses that of bantering back and forth uselessly wearing one's self out screaming at one another.

Besides the point, metaphorical shields? God, fragile? Nay, I say. It is not my God who is the fragile one, but myself. I am not versed in debatical matters and cannot hold my own properly in an argument. I, the insufficient gullible one, cannot stand the pressure of arguing with another. Thus, I require my shield, in order to have a chance of not breaking down into an emotional fit and suffering mental trauma. Do forgive me if my shield ever comes in between getting along with a fellow human being such as yourself. It is meant to bolster my self-confidence, not get in the way of making friends. So, I say, God is the strong One, who helps me, the weak, through my times of need. But I thank you for your understanding and your forgiveness, and I forgive you for your insults and your faults.

-SG7 ( )