Conquer Club

Really? Cult can't PM at night? I could PM with the other culties in TeamCC mafia. Same goes for the werwolf faction in Unknown. And mafiascum doesn't specify one way or another. Not to say I'm accusing anyone of being cult, but the structure of cult I thought was always that of PMing at night.

They sound decidedly foolish. Basically I have no desire for some one I have absolutely no reason to trust to control my night actions.

Mason groups have few set rules, take a look at my latest mafia or the asylum mafia. Mason groups are different in every game. We have been over this before, VS is innocent, and that means he isn't cult. Lynching me only results in reducing the Masons to a single easily killed player.

edocsil wrote:They sound decidedly foolish. Basically I have no desire for some one I have absolutely no reason to trust to control my night actions.

Mason groups have few set rules, take a look at my latest mafia or the asylum mafia. Mason groups are different in every game. We have been over this before, VS is innocent, and that means he isn't cult. Lynching me only results in reducing the Masons to a single easily killed player.

Assuming mafia would be stupid enough to kill their golden ticket to winning the game, wouldn't Freezie live to carry the torch?

freezie wrote:Rofl. I actually deleted my role pm, so I had a choice between a few names, forgot which was mine.

It seems I am Madame Rose then.

Doesn't this seem a little strange? The next post is Victor saying "Fair Enough"

Rodion wrote:

edocsil wrote:They sound decidedly foolish. Basically I have no desire for some one I have absolutely no reason to trust to control my night actions.

Mason groups have few set rules, take a look at my latest mafia or the asylum mafia. Mason groups are different in every game. We have been over this before, VS is innocent, and that means he isn't cult. Lynching me only results in reducing the Masons to a single easily killed player.

Assuming mafia would be stupid enough to kill their golden ticket to winning the game, wouldn't Freezie live to carry the torch?

Yes, but freezie is saying there are multiple mafia groups. So while we might eliminate one or two mafia, we may not have accounted for all of them. And if we do have mods helping fakeclaims, then it makes it more difficult to root out the liars.

This is all pretty strange. VS/Edoc want us to believe that there is a town masonry that can:

a) recruit mafia
b) enable members to investigate twice as much
c) grow exponentially (as recruited members also become recruiters)

All this after town started with a huge lead due to cellar cards AND got a freebie investigation on Shm (whose results shall be revealed soon).

I'm sorry, but I just don't buy it without a sacrifice.

Unvote

Vote Edocsil.

His lynch shall confirm their theory. If he flips town, mafia should be wise and cooperate so everyone in the game wins (exceptions being Lalaland and GT). If he flips cult, then we can let Freezie kill Victor at night and resume the town vs. mafia game. Win/win for town.

Edocsil is uneasy saying that this could go wrong. Let's see how that could go wrong:

1 - Edocsil flips town
2 - Freezie rejects his invitation
3 - Freezie kills Victor Sullivan and we lose our masonry

Even if all that happens, we will enter D4 with a surefire lynch in Freezie + investigation results about Shm + a bunch of card-cleared townies to make finding scummy easy due to process of elimination.

I don't see how not testing VS/Edoc's claim is a good strategy.

On further though, killing Victor is even better, now that they claimed that Edocsil also inherited recruiting powers.

If they are telling the truth, Victor and Edocsil are equally valuable to town.

If they are lying and are part of a cult, then offing the recruiter sooner rather than later is the best course of action.

Unvote

Vote Victor Sullivan.

Better idea then hanging me I suppose. You still won't get my support for it and I don't think you can convince a majority that that is a good idea.

Rodion wrote:On further though, killing Victor is even better, now that they claimed that Edocsil also inherited recruiting powers.

If they are telling the truth, Victor and Edocsil are equally valuable to town.

If they are lying and are part of a cult, then offing the recruiter sooner rather than later is the best course of action.

Unvote

Vote Victor Sullivan.

My concern is that freezie's faction may be willing to accept the offer, but GT's faction may not. If we lynch one of them now and GT's faction kills the other in the night, then the idea of everyone winning together is kaput. Let's lynch a scummier person now, and then see what the night results bring (successful recruitment or not, more info from freezie).

safariguy5 wrote:

Rodion wrote:On further though, killing Victor is even better, now that they claimed that Edocsil also inherited recruiting powers.

If they are telling the truth, Victor and Edocsil are equally valuable to town.

If they are lying and are part of a cult, then offing the recruiter sooner rather than later is the best course of action.

Unvote

Vote Victor Sullivan.

My concern is that freezie's faction may be willing to accept the offer, but GT's faction may not. If we lynch one of them now and GT's faction kills the other in the night, then the idea of everyone winning together is kaput. Let's lynch a scummier person now, and then see what the night results bring (successful recruitment or not, more info from freezie).

Agreed.

Anyways, Rodion, I suggested that the mods are giving full support to fake claims since there are more roles in the flavor scenes than we had players. However, I am also not buying these roles. I thought town was powerful enough with everybody being a cop. I would agree with a vote on VS, or target.

Freezie, thanks for stepping forward. I will try to make sure you are not screwed. Are you willing to lynch either edoc or VS? Which one, and why? The thing is that if they ARE cult, then I have no way to know that you are not cult. This would be an almost crazy ploy, but desperate times call for desperate measures (check out POTC).

Nor victor, nor Edocsil will die tonight. I didn't want to spill more info, but for the cause, I shall.

I haven't seen a night kill yet. And I doubt one will come. At least not tonight. My faction can only day kill once each 2 days. Granted, my faction's day kill is scheduled tomorow. I could easily ask them to kill whoever else you think scummy in case they try offing victor.


And Rodion, Victor is INNOCENT. Lala had his card, she told me he was innocent and she had no reason to lie as we were on the same side. And I wouldn't be claiming mafia without beeing sure that Victor wasn't cult.

DoomYoshi wrote:Freezie, thanks for stepping forward. I will try to make sure you are not screwed. Are you willing to lynch either edoc or VS? Which one, and why? The thing is that if they ARE cult, then I have no way to know that you are not cult. This would be an almost crazy ploy, but desperate times call for desperate measures (check out POTC).

Neither. See my post above. I am willing to lynch target and hopefully hit mr boddy or any other mafia today than lynching a 100% assured townie.

edocsil wrote:But sully, you never talked to me! I stand corrected on that point, but still, that is against the norm

That's because you were lynched right after I recruited you!

-Sully

*yawn!* Professor Plum stretches his arms and legs after a restful nap. He gets his clothes back on and walks back to the middle of the commotoion.
"What did I miss?" he asks no one in particluar. Everyone fills him in on little details. "Miss Rose is a killer!" one yells. "Let's lynch the second chef!" calls out many. "We're part of a Christian group. Do you want to join?" says someone else.
"Ok, thank you. I just awoke from my nap and this is way too much pressure for now." Professor Plum puts a hand on his hip in an attempt to straighten out his back. "But I will still throw in my two cents worth."

Freezie, claiming scum? Wow...

[ooc]
I agree, we should lynch one of the masons just to be sure that they're not a cult. I suggest letting both live today, and then lynching one tomorrow. That way, we can stop them before they get too strong (if they're cult) AND make sure they are the masons without risking the chance of losing both of them.

target is the other scummiest player to vote for right now, but he's at L-2 last I checked and I don't want to set him up for a speed lynch.
[/ooc]

"So, on that note," Professor Plum asks, righting his glasses on his face. "What's for lunch?"

I'm back!!!1 oh...nevermind

Vote Count



Anark (1)- Rodion
target(7)- safari, doomyoshi, freezie, /, victor, edoc, dazey
Victor (2) - target, rodion

With 17 alive, it takes 8 to lynch


Sorry Falko

My Nark vote is no more.

Vote Count



target(7)- safari, doomyoshi, freezie, /, victor, edoc, dazey
Victor (2) - target, rodion

With 17 alive, it takes 8 to lynch


Corrected from above.

safariguy5 wrote:

Rodion wrote:On further though, killing Victor is even better, now that they claimed that Edocsil also inherited recruiting powers.

If they are telling the truth, Victor and Edocsil are equally valuable to town.

If they are lying and are part of a cult, then offing the recruiter sooner rather than later is the best course of action.

Unvote

Vote Victor Sullivan.

My concern is that freezie's faction may be willing to accept the offer, but GT's faction may not. If we lynch one of them now and GT's faction kills the other in the night, then the idea of everyone winning together is kaput. Let's lynch a scummier person now, and then see what the night results bring (successful recruitment or not, more info from freezie).

Saf, it isn't kaput because Freezie would be alive with recruiting powers. And I still fail to understand why GT's faction would refuse the deal. They can't win the game alone, it's that simple. Do you think they could actually dare to beat a town that has several confirmed townies (+1 ongoing investigation on Shm) when one of the mafia factions has just sided with the town?

Yoshi, thanks. I'll proceed to counting later.

Freezie, you said your mafia has DKs? Once every 2 days? Do you know anything about Nark's "death", then?

I also want to publicly register my dissatisfaction with the recklessness everyone seems to be approaching this situation. I'll be the first to say "I told you so" if town botches this game.

Finally, Target, if you're mafia, just make it easy on everyone and confess. They claim to have 2 recruitments and you can avoid a lynch + join town and possibly seal the win with a simple confession (assuming you're GT mafia and not Lala/Freezie mafia, town should have solid information on most/all scum players in the game).

Rodion wrote:

safariguy5 wrote:

Rodion wrote:On further though, killing Victor is even better, now that they claimed that Edocsil also inherited recruiting powers.

If they are telling the truth, Victor and Edocsil are equally valuable to town.

If they are lying and are part of a cult, then offing the recruiter sooner rather than later is the best course of action.

Unvote

Vote Victor Sullivan.

My concern is that freezie's faction may be willing to accept the offer, but GT's faction may not. If we lynch one of them now and GT's faction kills the other in the night, then the idea of everyone winning together is kaput. Let's lynch a scummier person now, and then see what the night results bring (successful recruitment or not, more info from freezie).

Saf, it isn't kaput because Freezie would be alive with recruiting powers. And I still fail to understand why GT's faction would refuse the deal. They can't win the game alone, it's that simple. Do you think they could actually dare to beat a town that has several confirmed townies (+1 ongoing investigation on Shm) when one of the mafia factions has just sided with the town?

Yoshi, thanks. I'll proceed to counting later.

Freezie, you said your mafia has DKs? Once every 2 days? Do you know anything about Nark's "death", then?

I also want to publicly register my dissatisfaction with the recklessness everyone seems to be approaching this situation. I'll be the first to say "I told you so" if town botches this game.

Finally, Target, if you're mafia, just make it easy on everyone and confess. They claim to have 2 recruitments and you can avoid a lynch + join town and possibly seal the win with a simple confession (assuming you're GT mafia and not Lala/Freezie mafia, town should have solid information on most/all scum players in the game).

Well that depends on how the mods handle night actions priority. I think you're being overcautious here. With freezie accepting the deal, if Victor is cult, they're basically hamstrung at this point. If they don't recruit freezie tonight, then we know they're cult and we can kill them. If they do recruit freezie, we can test sully's claim by lynching him tomorrow. It also guarantees against one of the factions killing off the potential town recruiting faction and taking their chances.

safariguy5 wrote:Well that depends on how the mods handle night actions priority. I think you're being overcautious here. With freezie accepting the deal, if Victor is cult, they're basically hamstrung at this point. If they don't recruit freezie tonight, then we know they're cult and we can kill them. If they do recruit freezie, we can test sully's claim by lynching him tomorrow. It also guarantees against one of the factions killing off the potential town recruiting faction and taking their chances.

You suggest killing me cause I leave mafia and join town?

I feel the love over here...Eh, as long as my new win condition doesn't specify me beeing alive, I wouldn't mind. Give me at least a moment to spill what I know that you dont.

freezie wrote:

safariguy5 wrote:Well that depends on how the mods handle night actions priority. I think you're being overcautious here. With freezie accepting the deal, if Victor is cult, they're basically hamstrung at this point. If they don't recruit freezie tonight, then we know they're cult and we can kill them. If they do recruit freezie, we can test sully's claim by lynching him tomorrow. It also guarantees against one of the factions killing off the potential town recruiting faction and taking their chances.

You suggest killing me cause I leave mafia and join town?

I feel the love over here...Eh, as long as my new win condition doesn't specify me beeing alive, I wouldn't mind. Give me at least a moment to spill what I know that you dont.

No no, I meant lynching sully not you. Supposedly edoc can recruit now as well, so you should be able to recruit tomorrow too. If not, then something suspicious is going on.

safariguy5 wrote:

freezie wrote:

safariguy5 wrote:Well that depends on how the mods handle night actions priority. I think you're being overcautious here. With freezie accepting the deal, if Victor is cult, they're basically hamstrung at this point. If they don't recruit freezie tonight, then we know they're cult and we can kill them. If they do recruit freezie, we can test sully's claim by lynching him tomorrow. It also guarantees against one of the factions killing off the potential town recruiting faction and taking their chances.

You suggest killing me cause I leave mafia and join town?

I feel the love over here...Eh, as long as my new win condition doesn't specify me beeing alive, I wouldn't mind. Give me at least a moment to spill what I know that you dont.

No no, I meant lynching sully not you. Supposedly edoc can recruit now as well, so you should be able to recruit tomorrow too. If not, then something suspicious is going on.

Can't promise anything, but I see no reason the third recruit would be different from the second.

Whatever you guys do, don't recruit any confirmed townies. If you do, I will not stop until you are dead.

Also, don't recruit Rodion. He is one of the best skeptics we have.

But seriously, there can be no way you expect us to believe that you have an exponentially efficient town recruiting power, is there? Finally, Sully denied having sent any messages at all. Edoc lied about investigations. We need to kill you both just on LAL principle.

vote sully