Conquer Club

A good number of the most reliable ancient historians attest the existence of flying reptiles (e.g. Herodotus, Josephus, Aelian, Mela, Ammianus, Esarhaddon's inscription, anonymous 4'th century Coptic monks, the 13'th century Armenian historian Matthew of Edessa and dozens more could be cited). The four leading biologists of the Renaissance similarly maintained the existence of such animals. Their names and countries were Ulysses Aldrovandi, Italy; Conrad Gesner, Switzerland; Edward Topsell, England; and Pierre Belon, France.

During the 16'th century, Belon observed and provided a sketch of a flying reptile that can be strongly identified as the Dimorphodon macronyx species from the Rhamphorhynchoidea sub-order., Aldrovandi heard a description of and sketched a Scaphognathus., It is less accurate than Belon's Dimorphodon, yet remarkable for a scientist who had not actually seen the specimen. Another Italian taxonomist, Meier, had a Scaphognathus specimen in his museum. Samuel Bochart (17th century), in the most outstanding study of biblical reptiles ever accomplished, likewise maintained the existence of flying reptiles. However, the animals became extinct about then and within a century scientists were saying that they never had existed. The Swiss scientist Jacob Scheuchzer would claim that as well as the English naturalist Thomas Browne.

That's misquoted for all I know and you should look for it here maybe... http://www.rae.org/pteroets.html

Is "thou shalt not espouse falsehoods" a commandment?

notyou2 wrote:Is "thou shalt not espouse falsehoods" a commandment?

It's tangential to bearing false witness, so I'd say it's at the very least frowned upon. Then again, considering that claiming dragons and giants are real is tangential to lunacy, so I'd say he's got bigger concerns.

Lionz wrote:Herodotus might know more about what Hydra would mean to ancient Greeks than wikipedia and what does the last quote or whatever have to do with whether or not Moses used a winged serpent?

The brazen Serpent was a Figure of the flying Serpent, Saraph, which Moses fixed upon an erected Pole ...

Saraph means burning not flying ... FAIL. Moses put a snake on the pole, not some dinosaur.

he said "erected pole"............snicker

tzor wrote:

Lionz wrote:Herodotus might know more about what Hydra would mean to ancient Greeks than wikipedia and what does the last quote or whatever have to do with whether or not Moses used a winged serpent?

The brazen Serpent was a Figure of the flying Serpent, Saraph, which Moses fixed upon an erected Pole ...

Saraph means burning not flying ... FAIL. Moses put a snake on the pole, not some dinosaur.

well ACTUALLY....it implys a winged fiery serpent but your not interested in facts ofc

NY2,

Maybe I have ocd and am overly paranoid either way.

Tzor,

I might not be sure, but are flying non-angelic saraphim referred to in Isaiah 14:29 and Isaiah 30:6 at least? How about question to ask yourself? We might do wrong by telling another yes or no without being sure. Study with a concordance?

How many times do I have to tell you THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS EVIDENCE FOR GOD!

Those believers who are paying attention to this thread are in deep trouble, you either go to church or accept for good there is no god, it's a myth, it's a misunderstanding of old texts, it's a way for the church and bush to control people.

It's a way to explain death, to relieve the angst of our existential concerns. NO GOD HERE.

GOD IN CHURCH.

What if I'm no church goer and yet I also don't believe the Father's mythological?

If there's a conspiracy in support of the Tanakh and not a conspiracy against the Tanakh, then where does freemasonry (aka the Craft?) fit in and who controls the Smithsonian Institute and the History Channel? Ever seen a US one dollar bill with religium on it? No? What about one with seclorum on it? http://catholic.archives.nd.edu/cgi-bin ... e?seclorum

Lionz wrote:What if I'm no church goer and yet I also don't believe the Father's mythological?

I think that means you are on your own.

maybe

I have the ultimate prove of god here....




The world has incresed entropy. Why?

nietzsche wrote:How many times do I have to tell you THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS EVIDENCE FOR GOD!

Those believers who are paying attention to this thread are in deep trouble, you either go to church or accept for good there is no god, it's a myth, it's a misunderstanding of old texts, it's a way for the church and bush to control people.

It's a way to explain death, to relieve the angst of our existential concerns. NO GOD HERE.

GOD IN CHURCH.

It has nothing to do with you saying it. People have their own opinions and have the right to disagree with you -- unless you are saying that you yourself are God, which would be contradicting yourself.

For somebody who is not religious, you are pretty dogmatic and intolerant of other people's views.

daddy1gringo wrote:

nietzsche wrote:How many times do I have to tell you THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS EVIDENCE FOR GOD!

Those believers who are paying attention to this thread are in deep trouble, you either go to church or accept for good there is no god, it's a myth, it's a misunderstanding of old texts, it's a way for the church and bush to control people.

It's a way to explain death, to relieve the angst of our existential concerns. NO GOD HERE.

GOD IN CHURCH.

It has nothing to do with you saying it. People have their own opinions and have the right to disagree with you -- unless you are saying that you yourself are God, which would be contradicting yourself.

For somebody who is not religious, you are pretty dogmatic and intolerant of other people's views.

Your opinion doesn't count.

LikeYestrdaysJam wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:

CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.

God is ultimately a matter of belief.

But then, you cannot prove there is NO God, either.

The proof for either comes within.

you may not be able to prove there is no GOD but you can sure as hell prove that everything humans belief about what he does is utter bullshit.

That only shows how little you know of any of our beliefs. But, if you were interested in education, you would not make such an absurd statement. Go ahead, keep putting your fingers in your ears and pretending you know so much more than the overhwelming majority of human beings who do believe in God.

Lionz wrote:What if I'm no church goer and yet I also don't believe the Father's mythological?

Going to church and believing are 2 separate things.

Proof for God? Well, He is the only viable explanation for why we have life now.

PLAYER57832 wrote:

LikeYestrdaysJam wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:

CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.

God is ultimately a matter of belief.

But then, you cannot prove there is NO God, either.

The proof for either comes within.

you may not be able to prove there is no GOD but you can sure as hell prove that everything humans belief about what he does is utter bullshit.

That only shows how little you know of any of our beliefs. But, if you were interested in education, you would not make such an absurd statement. Go ahead, keep putting your fingers in your ears and pretending you know so much more than the overhwelming majority of human beings who do believe in God.

That just proves that the overwhelming majority of people are fucking retarted... have you ever seen a hoax or a scam in your life do you not belief in any way that the bible and jesus was just a big hoax by a poor ass carpenters son. PLUS the bible was written hundreds of years after the events so any evidence taken from that fictional piece of shit is highly extrapolated and bias.
A few points
First of all we know it is impossible for a woman to have a child without sex or a male gamete to fuse with hers. Therefore Mary was a lying prostitute "oh joseph it was... hmmn what should i say... uh GOD that impregnated me"
Now there a plenty of explanations for some of the "miracles" keep in mind that the time fram extrapolates things ok so jesus dying and then coming back to life that could be mistaken for a coma were they may appear dead and wake up im sure people would slip into comas whilst being cricified and too back that point up we know with SCIENCE that if your brain goes wihtout oxygen for more than three minutes you could suffer brain damage and longer you will die so obviously if the fact that he rose again is true he was in a coma because it certainly wasnt some divine being. I could continue jesus bashibng your fucking retarted faith that is ruining the world corrupting children and insulting me but i wont i have better things to do.

This is a letter from God to man

Hey There, how, how's it going?
Long time no see.
I know I haven't been around much lately
But…it didn't seem like you wanted me to be
The last time I sent down a message you nailed it to the cross
So I figured I'd just leave you to it, let you be your own boss

But I've been keeping an eye on you, I have,
and it's amazing how you've grown.
With your technological advances and the problems you've overthrown,
And all the beautiful art you've created with such grace and such finesse,
But I admit there are a few things I'm afraid have impressed me less.

So I'm writing to apologize for all the horrors committed in my name,
Although that was never what I intended,
I feel I should take my share of the blame.
All the good I tried to do was corrupted
when organised religion got into full swing,
What I thought were quite clear messages were taken to unusual extremes.
My teachings taken out of context to meet the agendas of others,
Interpretations taken to many different ways and hidden meanings discovered

Religion became a tool, for the weak to control the strong
With all these new morals and ethics, survival of the fittest was gone
No longer could the biggest man simply take whatever he needed
‘cause damnation was the price if certain rules were not heeded
Some of the deeds committed in my name
just made me wonder were I went wrong.
Back at the start when I created this, the foundation seemed so strong.
See all the elements were already here, long before I began,
I just kind of put it all together
I didn't really think out a long-term plan.

I made the sun an appropriate distance and laid the stars across the sky
So you could navigate the globe or simply watch the sun rise
I covered the earth with plants and fruits,
Some for sustenance and some for beauty
I made the sun shine and the clouds rain
so their maintenance wasn't your duty
I tried to give each creature its own attributes
without making them enveloped
I gave you all you all your own space to
grow and in your own way space to develop

I didn't know such development would cause rifts and jealousy
Cause you to war against each other and leave marks on this planet indelibly
You see, I wasn't really the creater, I was just the curator of nature
I want to get something straight with homosexuals right now: I don't hate ya
I was a simple being that happened to be the first to wield such powers
I just laid the ground, it was You that built the towers

It was You that invented bombs, and the fear that comes with them
And it was You that invented money, and the corrupt economic systems
You invented terms like just-war and terms like friendly fire
And it was You that didn't know
when to stop digging deeper, when to stop building higher
It was You that exhausted the resources I carefully laid out on this earth,
And it was You that even saw these
problems coming but accredited them little worth
It was You that used my teachings for your own personal gain
And it was You that committed such tragedies,
even though they were in my name

So I apologize for any mistakes I made, and when my words misconstrued
But this apology's to mother nature, cause I created you


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4467CI4 ... re=related <<<<Dan le Sac vs Scroobius Pip

LikeYestrdaysJam wrote:First of all we know it is impossible for a woman to have a child without sex or a male gamete to fuse with hers.

We do? It is? The Science of Virgin Birth

Here is a half virgin birth from Slate.com

Bonus Explainer: Are there any case reports of virgin births in the medical literature? Sort of. According to a 1995 report in the journal Nature Genetics, a mother brought her infant boy to the doctor after noticing that his head was developing abnormally. When doctors analyzed his blood, they found something truly bizarre: Despite his anatomically male features, the boy's blood cells were entirely female, consisting only of genetic material from his mother. Some of his other cells—such as those found in his urine—were normal, consisting of a combination of both maternal and paternal DNA. No one knows exactly how this occurred, but the best guess is that immediately after being fertilized, one of his mother's eggs fused with a neighboring unfertilized egg that was dividing parthogenetically. This gave rise to a boy who was considered half-parthenogenetic, since approximately half of his cells were derived from a "faux" conception, containing no remnants of his father's DNA.

LYJ,

1) What specifically was written hundreds of years after events described in it?

2) Who's claiming that a virgin got pregnant without there having been a miracle involved?

3) Do you propose that He was stabbed with a spear in the side after being crucified for hours and then laid in a tomb without medical care for three days only to appear healthy right afterwards?

Lionz wrote:LYJ,

1) What specifically what written hundreds of years after events described in it?

2) Who's claiming that a virgin got pregnant without there having been a miracle involved?

3) Do you propose that He was stabbed with a spear in the side after being crucified for hours and then laid in a tomb without medical care for three days only to appear healthy right afterwards?

1. The Lord of the Rings

2. I'll address this in the future, maybe

3. Lol.

LikeYestrdaysJam wrote:First of all we know it is impossible for a woman to have a child without sex or a male gamete to fuse with hers.

Ironically enough, this is biologically quite possible. Of course, Christians like myself belief it was a miracle, not something proven by science. However, it would be nice if you actually knew of what you spoke when issuing such harsh criticism.

LikeYestrdaysJam wrote:Therefore Mary was a lying prostitute "oh joseph it was... hmmn what should i say... uh GOD that impregnated me"
Now there a plenty of explanations for some of the "miracles" keep in mind that the time fram extrapolates things ok so jesus dying and then coming back to life that could be mistaken for a coma were they may appear dead and wake up im sure people would slip into comas whilst being cricified and too back that point up we know with SCIENCE that if your brain goes wihtout oxygen for more than three minutes you could suffer brain damage and longer you will die so obviously if the fact that he rose again is true he was in a coma because it certainly wasnt some divine being. I could continue jesus bashibng your fucking retarted faith that is ruining the world corrupting children and insulting me but i wont i have better things to do.

What a lot of interesting words... and you accuse me of insulting you?

All I said is you show little understanding of our faith. And, its pretty clearly true.

The gospel of Mark was written shortly after the events discribed in it. Consider this the earliest New Testament transcrips we have date to 40-100 A.D - 125 A.D. 25-50 yrs after the events. Now these are the earliest copies we have, not the earliest ever made..Now compare that to say the works of Julius Ceaser. The earliest copies of Caesar's works date to 900 A.D. Thats 1,000 yrs after he walked the earth...Who here doubts Ceaser ever existed, or did the things he had done? LikeYesterdaysJam, maybe it would be wise to get your facts straight before you submit your posts..I say that with no malice at all, this isnt a formal debate, but still we shouldnt just throw out facts that are simply not true.

dangreco wrote:Proof for God? Well, He is the only viable explanation for why we have life now.

No we have live now because of a complex mix of abiotic and biotic setting that allows for functioning life.
There does not have to be a meaning to life, open your mind things can just end.