Conquer Club

if you're sticking your head out to rebut, might as well claim?
And no need to hold back Pmc, if you're suspicious of someone, even if you out Juliet, I'm sure we'd have a doc who could help her?

I am not sure if I am understanding this game entirely as it seems really unbalanced against the vig.

For a start it is clear the vigs alternate night kills.

Night 1: Attempted murder of capulet fails according to night scene, no other detail
Night 2: A accidentally soft claimed Romeo (ideal target for cap vig) is killed. no other blocks/docs mentioned
Night 3: No kill because the mont vig is dead.

How on earth are they meant to win with so few members or kills, perhaps some of the orange third party are aligned with them.

Also FOS at sg7 for predicting on day 1 that the vigs alternated night kills, that was an insane guess at the time.

Leehar wrote:if you're sticking your head out to rebut, might as well claim?
And no need to hold back Pmc, if you're suspicious of someone, even if you out Juliet, I'm sure we'd have a doc who could help her?

I am not sure any more, I thought this game was going to be open and shut but it is proving to be difficult to work out the last few kinks.

I would like to here from new guy as to who he thinks the vig could be.

p.s. on reread blood green has been almost silent so could be replaced, even if his role is one of the more obvious ones to guess.
p.p.s Sorry for the double posting frenzy, blame it on not being able to say anything for the first 40 pages

read through the families have diff WC they have to kill all the other families but we have been told there are other WC if the vigs die

SPARTACUS1974 wrote:read through the families have diff WC they have to kill all the other families but we have been told there are other WC if the vigs die

I get that, it just seems unlikely to ever happen. It is almost impossible to lynch a family member as the have solid claims and there is no benefit to it and they can only kill on alternative nights. How is that possible?

Also you have effectively claimed capulet, but I believe you are not the vig as the count would be a decent fake claim since general spoon fed you it.

read back again i have claimed nothing i have stated who the vig will be and in a play with so few characters it will be hard to fake claim and i am not the count like i have just said whoever claims will be found out if its a fake

SPARTACUS1974 wrote:read back again i have claimed nothing i have stated who the vig will be and in a play with so few characters it will be hard to fake claim and i am not the count like i have just said whoever claims will be found out if its a fake

Hmm it seems from the way you have been posting to me that you are a family member. In one post you said the vigs were needed for the families to win so to me it comes across like you are a family member. I could be wrong though.

I think he was speculating, but it is likely IMO that he is one of the family members. It's likely that most of the unclaimed players are family members.

About alternating nights: it was not an insane good guess it was an educated guess and part of my list of possibilities based on previous experience. We saw something similar with mafia NKs being alternated each night in CLUE mafia, and drawing from that experience I came to that conclusion. Anyway,

Yeah it does seem this game is stacked against the vigs. I would guess that there's an unforesen twist or maybe edoc and them are lying about alternate WCs or maybe the mod just didn't think that the alternate WC would be revealed so early. Maybe the vig's name would not be obvious and would be difficult to track. IDK. BUt you're right it does seem that this game is going to be easily winnable for non-vigs.

Oh and I read your post again and it does lok like you're claiming vig but I guess I can see how it could be taken a different way, so I guess you're cleared. Actually I cant clear you. nevermind.

Wait, you're replacing Sully right? So we still need to know whether NoS/saf is the apothecary or not.

-SG7 ( )

shieldgenerator7 wrote:I think he was speculating, but it is likely IMO that he is one of the family members. It's likely that most of the unclaimed players are family members.

About alternating nights: it was not an insane good guess it was an educated guess and part of my list of possibilities based on previous experience. We saw something similar with mafia NKs being alternated each night in CLUE mafia, and drawing from that experience I came to that conclusion. Anyway,

Yeah it does seem this game is stacked against the vigs. I would guess that there's an unforesen twist or maybe edoc and them are lying about alternate WCs or maybe the mod just didn't think that the alternate WC would be revealed so early. Maybe the vig's name would not be obvious and would be difficult to track. IDK. BUt you're right it does seem that this game is going to be easily winnable for non-vigs.

Oh and I read your post again and it does lok like you're claiming vig but I guess I can see how it could be taken a different way, so I guess you're cleared. Actually I cant clear you. nevermind.

Wait, you're replacing Sully right? So we still need to know whether NoS/saf is the apothecary or not.

-SG7 ( )

I have never seen alt night killings in about 25 games and I wouldn't do it as a mod unless the factions were overpowered or you had an SK as well.

Yeah I am replacing sully. As for saf, unless I have understood the play poorly then modified busdriver doesn't seem a likely role for apothecary. Although it is emerging as a likely possibility than some of the oranges have WC linked to helping the vigs.

Personally I think the vig is the main concern atm, and I would say that it is likely chapcrap is the vig. I can't see why anyone else would vote for Romeo:

chapcrap wrote:Well, I think that edoc's actions and responses don't add up.

unvote vote edoc

unvote vote chapcrap

Edoc's Romeo? ohhhhhhhhhh
Vote Chapcrap

edoc never name-claimed, and now I see why, if he is indeed Romeo.

The thing I agree with chapcrap that edoc's post that one time we contradictory to what he said his WC was. However, I figured it was a matter of impatience rather than serious gameplay and so did not consider it vote worthy. I really don't think that voting edoc is a good reason to vote chapcrap, or at least it's not a definitive sign that chapcrap is the vig.

But, we need to find the vig one way or another, and this is as good a lead as we seem to have for now.
VOTE CHAPCRAP

-SG7 ( )

BE CAREFUL NOT TO LYNCH WITHOUT A NAME CLAIM, PLEASE!

Pmc, thank you for the name claim. Now I only have 2 Capulets unaccounted for in my chart. I figured out all the Montagues and their names, as well as most of the other party players. As soon as we find the vig, I will post my info BEFORE we lynch him so that jgordon can roleblock a suspected Apothecary and not hit a doc (Just in case). Also, now that someone actually said Edoc's role, we need the Montague doc to be on him tonight in case of a Poison attempt by the Apothcary.

Also, on my chart I had chap/shield down for the Capulet vig. Nice catch, pmc.

Well that cat is out of the bag I suppose. I am Romeo.

I suspect chap had figured it out prior to the statement but was disinclined to make a scene about it, as I still had some shreds of cover left. Vote Chap That is 4 by my count.

edocsil wrote:Well that cat is out of the bag I suppose. I am Romeo.

I suspect chap had figured it out prior to the statement but was disinclined to make a scene about it, as I still had some shreds of cover left. Vote Chap That is 4 by my count.

Had to be done, I am a Capulet after all

i read and saw my name. as of right now, after seeing the general only had two caps left to count, and chapcrap seems to have given away that he is the vig, i believe chap to be the vig. i am however, going to read again to make sure that i place my vote correctly, and so i will most likely be posting a vote for him, as well as my reasoning being what was said above (by many other people). get back to you in a little while, once i read my other forums and such.

Oh my goodness. First of all, I'm not the vig. I don't know how I have given that away. I voted for someone that I thought was Mercutio and lying to us about his WC. I didn't even realize that edoc was Romeo. pmc is the one who outed that, not me. And him outing that and then forcing edoc to claim it seems pretty dangerous IMO. I already stated that I thought edoc was Mercutio. So, if you'll quit skimming, you'll go back and see that. unvote.

I am tired of everyone just believing General, that's for sure.

chapcrap wrote:Oh my goodness. First of all, I'm not the vig. I don't know how I have given that away. I voted for someone that I thought was Mercutio and lying to us about his WC. I didn't even realize that edoc was Romeo. pmc is the one who outed that, not me. And him outing that and then forcing edoc to claim it seems pretty dangerous IMO. I already stated that I thought edoc was Mercutio. So, if you'll quit skimming, you'll go back and see that. unvote.

I am tired of everyone just believing General, that's for sure.

Hey Chap...

Are you not going to name claim?

Also, I already addressed your OMFG EVERYONE BELIEBIN' DAT GENERAL Y?????

TheGeneral2112 wrote:viewtopic.php?f=213&t=163219&start=60#p3592488

zimmah wrote:we probably all know how the story ends, but this time, will history repeat itself, or will there be an alternate ending?

viewtopic.php?f=213&t=163219&start=195#p3596922

zimmah wrote:remember that teamwork is required for almost everyone in this game to win, regardless of win conditions and team, knowing in which family someone belongs helps a lot with finding out who is who.

viewtopic.php?f=213&t=163219&start=315#p3599305

zimmah wrote:i think you guys all need to co-operate a bit more with each other, and read more carefully what everyone sais and claims.

I have to say I think the mod intervened too much on this one, the vigs would have had a much better chance if we didn't believe general and zimmer made it pretty hard not to. Either that or we have mistaken the mods words and thegeneral and edoc are playing a masterful game but I severely doubt it.

chapcrap wrote: I didn't even realize that edoc was Romeo. pmc is the one who outed that, not me. And him outing that and then forcing edoc to claim it seems pretty dangerous IMO.

As for this I see no reason to keep it quiet. Romeo is not needed alive for me to win, and my original WC requires him dead. Also it is more dangerous hidden within the thread where you could deduce edoc was Romeo from what he said but the whole "town" did not know.

TheGeneral2112 wrote:

chapcrap wrote:Oh my goodness. First of all, I'm not the vig. I don't know how I have given that away. I voted for someone that I thought was Mercutio and lying to us about his WC. I didn't even realize that edoc was Romeo. pmc is the one who outed that, not me. And him outing that and then forcing edoc to claim it seems pretty dangerous IMO. I already stated that I thought edoc was Mercutio. So, if you'll quit skimming, you'll go back and see that. unvote.

I am tired of everyone just believing General, that's for sure.

Hey Chap...

Are you not going to name claim?

Also, I already addressed your OMFG EVERYONE BELIEBIN' DAT GENERAL Y?????

TheGeneral2112 wrote:http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 0#p3592488

zimmah wrote:we probably all know how the story ends, but this time, will history repeat itself, or will there be an alternate ending?

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 5#p3596922

zimmah wrote:remember that teamwork is required for almost everyone in this game to win, regardless of win conditions and team, knowing in which family someone belongs helps a lot with finding out who is who.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 5#p3599305

zimmah wrote:i think you guys all need to co-operate a bit more with each other, and read more carefully what everyone sais and claims.

No, I'm not gonna name claim, because I think it's stupid to just have a mass claim. I've already stated that.

Second, you didn't address anything. Let me tell you what zimmah's posts mean.

zimmah wrote:we probably all know how the story ends, but this time, will history repeat itself, or will there be an alternate ending?

That one means that this may not end up the same as the play. (Shocker, we're in a mafia game!!)

zimmah wrote:remember that teamwork is required for almost everyone in this game to win, regardless of win conditions and team, knowing in which family someone belongs helps a lot with finding out who is who.

Umm, that is pretty straightforward. If you can figure out who everyone is, it will help you win. Nothing about saying that everyone can win at the same time. It just says that some teamwork will be required for most people's WC.

zimmah wrote:i think you guys all need to co-operate a bit more with each other, and read more carefully what everyone sais and claims.

Surprise, he tries to bring a little more civility to the conversation between edoc and jgordon.

You're quotes mean nothing to your point and don't support you in any way.

If you are telling the truth how would a claim endanger yourself?

We didn't ask for a mass claim, only a claim from you.

Personally I think that the mods words can be re-interpreted to make it sound like he was meaning something else but that doesn't really matter. My family cannot win unless this is true, killing every second night would run out well before our vig was lynched. And right now you are the number one suspect for vig from me.

>I'm not telling you my name cause I think me name claiming is stupid...

Right...

Vote Chap

Also, can we get a vote count? I think he is at L-3.

edocsil wrote:If you are telling the truth how would a claim endanger yourself?

We should just have a mass claim in every game then! Especially with 14 people left!! The games would be sooo fun!!

pmchugh wrote:We didn't ask for a mass claim, only a claim from you.

Personally I think that the mods words can be re-interpreted to make it sound like he was meaning something else but that doesn't really matter. My family cannot win unless this is true, killing every second night would run out well before our vig was lynched. And right now you are the number one suspect for vig from me.

The vigs don't kill every other night. That's a ridiculous theory. I already addressed that. First night, why would a vig try to kill anyone? They could easily mislynch someone from their own family. Second night, one (Benvolio) is still unsure because it has only been Montagues that have been revealed, along with third party's and the other tries for a lynch of Eldario because he thinks that Eldario is Romeo. Night three, there is only one vig left and he gets role blocked or chooses not to kill or the person he chooses gets saved by the doctor. Likely either the first or third choice. Highly unlikely that the Capulet vig (Tybalt) decides not to lynch when there are so many Montagues claimed.