California [Quenched]

[DiM]

You need a title like this... At least in that block letter style.

I feel like he tried this at one point, but I forget...

-Sully

Yeah we tried this earlier on, couldn't really get it to work out though.

could you tell me in what update you tried that?
you don't have the previous updates in the first post and searching through 650 posts takes a lot of time.

bruces' suggestion is really good and i'd like to see what went wrong.

edit// it actually took just a bit. i got lucky and found it quick
it's in this post: viewtopic.php?p=2999134#p2999134

i think the first image fro there is the way to go. but with the following changes:
1. change "the golden state of" from diagonal to horizontal and reduce it's size.
2. make "california" straight horizontal instead of that curve
3. use big high thick letters for "california" that allow more of the clipping mask to be shown.

[danfrank]

Is this not beta material yet ? or is the nitpicking charade still going to be patronized ?

Great Job Bison and i took a peek at your new map Bravo Also ...

[natty dread]

Is this not beta material yet ? or is the nitpicking charade still going to be patronized ?

The mapmaker is required to respond to all criticism and feedback as long as the map is not quenched, and in some cases, even after that.

If you really want to see your favorite map in play sooner, offer some constructive feedback instead of trying to rush the map out of production, as you're just doing the mapmaker a huge disservice by doing that.

[The Bison King]

You need a title like this... At least in that block letter style.

I feel like he tried this at one point, but I forget...

-Sully

Yeah we tried this earlier on, couldn't really get it to work out though.

could you tell me in what update you tried that?
you don't have the previous updates in the first post and searching through 650 posts takes a lot of time.

bruces' suggestion is really good and i'd like to see what went wrong.

edit// it actually took just a bit. i got lucky and found it quick
it's in this post: viewtopic.php?p=2999134#p2999134

i think the first image fro there is the way to go. but with the following changes:
1. change "the golden state of" from diagonal to horizontal and reduce it's size.
2. make "california" straight horizontal instead of that curve
3. use big high thick letters for "california" that allow more of the clipping mask to be shown.

Yeah I played around with this before and I couldn't really get it to work. Since this post I messed around with it again, tried to find a thicker font but nothing felt right. I like the current font and I think the gradient works well with the sunset.

[Vlasov]

Any other complaints or questions?

[The Bison King]

Files presumably for Beta

Large: http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/9196 ... ploade.jpg
Small: http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/1262 ... upload.jpg
XML: http://www.fileden.com/files/2010/12/18 ... ornia7.xml

[thenobodies80]

Last Call

The map has passed through rigorous gameplay and graphics examinations and all major concerns have been addressed. If you have any other concerns, please make your voice heard. If after a reasonable amount of time there has not been any objection or protest, the map will be stamped and submitted for the Beta period.

Please, post questions and concerns if any.

Nobodies

[natty dread]

Now this might be an optical illusion, but it looks to me the intervals between the bonus names are not even... Los Angeles at least seems to be a few pixels too high...

[DiM]

1. the stars on the map have a brownish outline while the star in the legend has a yellow outline

2. some borders are lighter and some are darker. for example the border from sequoia to sierra madre is lighter than the one from sequoia to bakersfield.



3. in some places (especially in northern cali and mojave) the texture of the terits overlaps the outer borders making them look inconsistent.



4. the insets for LA and bay area have a hard shadow while the mainland map has a very soft one.

[natty dread]

4. the insets for LA and bay area have a hard shadow while the mainland map has a very soft one.

This part is on purpose if I recall correctly, to make the main map pop up higher than the insets.

That said, I think the inset shadows could be blurred slightly and moved closer to the insets, the hardness looks a bit unnatural.

[The Bison King]

[bigimg]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/223/californiaupload.jpg[/bigimg]
[bigimg]http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/1262/californiasmallupload.jpg[/bigimg]

Borders fixed, spacing in the legend fixed. I didn't change the shadows cause I like them how they are.

[thenobodies80]

Minor suggestion, the bonus legend can be refined a bit more imo; maybe have it listed with the same angle as the near map border (look the spoiler)

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[The Bison King]

Minor suggestion, the bonus legend can be refined a bit more imo; maybe have it listed with the same angle as the near map border (look the spoiler)

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Good call. I had done something like that earlier to keep everything aligned but in redoing the spacing I inadvertently altered the number trajectory.

(yes I know Trajectory isn't the right word but I never get to use it)

[lostatlimbo]

I like the current font and I think the gradient works well with the sunset.

It really doesn't, but congrats on getting this map moved forward as is. I wish I knew your secret!

[Vlasov]

The area where the border between Inland Empire and San Diego connects to Anaheim's SW border doesn't match up between the full map and the inset. Just a little thing...

[melech14]

well since it's almost perfect... I havn't liked the way the Cities key - mostly because it looks jammed at the bottom (the bear). Maybe at the top the star and the word cities could be reduced in size and the whole key moved up a bit.

[PROFITS]

My only problem with this is having "Santa Ana" and "Anaheim" as part of "Los Angeles". Orange County should have it's own separate region with Santa Ana and Anaheim as a part of it. I'm tired of people thinking I'm from L.A every I go when I mention Orange County anyways, we've been fighting for our independence for a long time. Other than that, I love the idea of a map for California. It's way past due.

[The Bison King]

[bigimg]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2625/californiauploadm.jpg[/bigimg]
[bigimg]http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/1262/californiasmallupload.jpg[/bigimg]

Minor suggestion, the bonus legend can be refined a bit more imo; maybe have it listed with the same angle as the near map border (look the spoiler)

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Adressed

I like the current font and I think the gradient works well with the sunset.

It really doesn't, but congrats on getting this map moved forward as is. I wish I knew your secret!

The only secret is persistence.

The area where the border between Inland Empire and San Diego connects to Anaheim's SW border doesn't match up between the full map and the inset. Just a little thing...

Adressed

well since it's almost perfect... I havn't liked the way the Cities key - mostly because it looks jammed at the bottom (the bear). Maybe at the top the star and the word cities could be reduced in size and the whole key moved up a bit.

I didn't adjust anythings size but I did move it up a little bit.

My only problem with this is having "Santa Ana" and "Anaheim" as part of "Los Angeles". Orange County should have it's own separate region with Santa Ana and Anaheim as a part of it. I'm tired of people thinking I'm from L.A every I go when I mention Orange County anyways, we've been fighting for our independence for a long time. Other than that, I love the idea of a map for California. It's way past due.

I'm sorry, but that's not happening. Orange county just isn't important enough to have it's own bonus so it must be grouped with the nearest largest region. Please don't take personal offense to this. I live in Anderson township but it's much easier to tell people that I'm from Cincinnati, since people know where hat is.

[Vlasov]

I agree with your last reply, BisonKing. Orange County is part of the "greater Los Angeles metropolitan area"... just like the "Bay Area" includes major cities and counties surrounding San Francisco.

I can sympathize with PROFITS, though. As a San Diego native (now in Bakersfield) I would love to see San Diego as a separate region with 2 or 3 territories, but I know that's not feasible on this map.

Maybe a "Southern California" map would be good. Then you could show ALL the counties in the area (L.A., Santa Barbara, Ventura, San Bernardino, Riverside, Orange, San Diego, Imperial). It could even include parts of Arizona and Baja California (Tijuana!).

[The Bison King]

Maybe a "Southern California" map would be good. Then you could show ALL the counties in the area (L.A., Santa Barbara, Ventura, San Bernardino, Riverside, Orange, San Diego, Imperial). It could even include parts of Arizona and Baja California (Tijuana!).

Lord knows enough people live there to make a map.

[DiM]

probably by 2015 we'll have every little bit of USA mapped on CC

anyway, back to the map.
except for the title which i don't find very appealing i think everything else is pretty much done.
the title is decent and it gets the job done, however i would have liked something that makes me wow, something more than just a couple of fonts.

[gimil]

probably by 2015 we'll have every little bit of USA mapped on CC

anyway, back to the map.
except for the title which i don't find very appealing i think everything else is pretty much done.
the title is decent and it gets the job done, however i would have liked something that makes me wow, something more than just a couple of fonts.

I know what you mean. The title is nice and it does the job. But needs more umph. Brighten it up and get some more layer styles in there would be my suggestion.

[Vlasov]

Good points.

Maybe you could color each letter of "C A L I F O R N I A" in some sort of bright spectral layered style, reflecting the colors on the map itself -- kind of like a Rainbow effect? I don't know fonts or graphics; just a suggestion.

Also, you should really consider eliminating "The Golden State of" phrase... it's not exactly known worldwide (it dates back to the Gold Rush in the 19th century). That would give you a lot of room to elevate and colorize the title "CALIFORNIA" -- and also elevate and/or enlarge the legends under the title, which some people have mentioned as looking small or crowded.

[ender516]

I think all the U.S. states have a semi-official state nickname, and I'm pretty sure "Golden State" is California's, so I think the natives would like to see that kept. Perhaps the world "Golden" could be enhanced, giving a golden look?

[PROFITS]

I agree with your last reply, BisonKing. Orange County is part of the "greater Los Angeles metropolitan area"... just like the "Bay Area" includes major cities and counties surrounding San Francisco.

I can sympathize with PROFITS, though. As a San Diego native (now in Bakersfield) I would love to see San Diego as a separate region with 2 or 3 territories, but I know that's not feasible on this map.

Maybe a "Southern California" map would be good. Then you could show ALL the counties in the area (L.A., Santa Barbara, Ventura, San Bernardino, Riverside, Orange, San Diego, Imperial). It could even include parts of Arizona and Baja California (Tijuana!).

Orange County not important enough? As of 2010 census, Orange County is 3RD MOST POPULOUS County in CALIFORNIA. I mean, this is a map of CALIFORNIA right? If you want to take it even further, Orange County is the 6TH MOST POPULOUS COUNTY in the entire UNITED STATES. I'm only stating facts here, not just saying hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, well I guess I personally feel this is important and this isn't important. Los Angeles being the entertainment capitl of the WORLD deserves to have it's 5 regions of the greater Los Angeles in this map. Orange County being the 2nd largest dsn't deserve a spot, but the 3 smaller ones do? That doesn't make any sense. Not trying to be rude, just trying to help you out a little.

I know you mentioned you are from some small city, but that doesn't compare to Santa Ana and Anaheim which has over 200,000 residents, one of the largest tourist attractions in the WORLD (Disneyland) and a Supreme Court (Santa Ana).

Not to mention over 10% of FORTUNE 500 companies have headquarters in Irvine, Newport Beach, Costa Mesa and various other cities in O.C.

Orange County has 2 mainstream sports teams with world championships (Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim & Anaheim Ducks).

Shall I keep going?

Anyways, I'm totally fine with you not wanting take a bunch of time to change things around and all that (as we all know we don't get paid for this work), but your response that the 6th most populous county in the U.S wasn't important enough just sounded kinda funny.