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Colossus wrote:Canada is a just a really big state that we like to let think it rules itself. please.
Canada does rule itself...in fact(no offence to the U.S government) america goes around fighting for peace and democracy and stuff and thats good intentions. But Canada has a more democratic government than america does. And wht has america accomplished in iraq? nothing much except gettin rid of their crazy dictator leader and their soldiers killed. Do you get what im sayin?
Shall we start on Iraq, oo fun. One for all of you who may or may not have a f**kin clue about Iraq it had to happen if not now, eventually. I agree that the way it was handled was sub par, but for all you Bush haters out there, give the man credit because not one of you would have the balls to do what he is doing right now, and that is sticking with what he started although he isn't like for it. Fact of the day everyone Abraham Lincoln, you know the guy on the 5 dollar bill, at the time he was president was hated almost as much as Bush was, but that all changed. History defines if a person was truly great or horrible, so lets wait to pass judgment on Bush.
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Colossus wrote:would you detail how Canada is 'more democratic'?
i wasnt saying by a ton but:in america the president holds quite a bit of power compared to other political people in the government.right? and in canada there is the house of commons, where a bill is presented and has to be passed by the majority of the people in the house to become law. the prime minister has hardly any more power than billy joe bob in thehouse of commons. The main difference is that the president can vito anyone else in government while the prime minister can be vitoed by the house of commons.
forgive me if im wrong or if you dont understand what im saying.
lalaland wrote:This is what I love about Spamalot... you click on a title to a thread, and you have no idea what you'll find inside...
sorry duday but less centralized power =/= more democracy, Canada still has a representative form of government correct?
and please don't compare Bush to Lincoln, they were hated for different reasons and those reasons make all the difference
and please don't compare Bush to Lincoln, they were hated for different reasons and those reasons make all the difference
"We spend as much effort on indifference as our parents spent in the war."
Wiesel and others fear this...
Wiesel and others fear this...
duday53 wrote:Colossus wrote:would you detail how Canada is 'more democratic'?
i wasnt saying by a ton but:in america the president holds quite a bit of power compared to other political people in the government.right? and in canada there is the house of commons, where a bill is presented and has to be passed by the majority of the people in the house to become law. the prime minister has hardly any more power than billy joe bob in thehouse of commons. The main difference is that the president can vito anyone else in government while the prime minister can be vitoed by the house of commons.
forgive me if im wrong or if you dont understand what im saying.
Yeah, you really shouldn't compare governmental systems unless you know about both of the systems you're comparing. Our president cannot veto anyone else in govt. He does have the power to veto bills passed by Congress, which is composed of two houses, the Senate (in which each state is represented by two senators) and the House of Representatives (analogous to the house of commons in there are representatives from each state, the number of which is dependent on population). However, any presidential veto can be overruled by a 2/3 majority vote of the house and senate. This has the added benefit of Congress not being free to do whatever it wants. The American system is all about checks and balances such that no single part of the federal govt (Executive, Judicial, of Legislative branch) has enough power to control the country.
The American system HAS had quite a few abuses of the supposed checks and balances of late (the executive branch going to war without an official delcaration of war from the Congress and judges legislating from the bench, to name a couple), but that's not really the fault of the system but rather the fault of those in charge and of the American people who have failed to cry foul about these infractions. So, anyway, I don't see how Canada is more 'democratic' than the US. Frankly, neither is a democracy anyway. They're both based on a representative system of government. A true democracy requires that everyone be able to vote on everything the government does. I can't imagine any possible way that a fully democratic system of government could ever work in practice. I think that the last 200 years have demonstrated that the representative system of 'democracy' that the US employs and which grew out of the british parliamentary system has proven to be the most successful system of government in the world. Whether that success will last through the next century remains to be seen.
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feiterman wrote:Shall we start on Iraq, oo fun. One for all of you who may or may not have a f**kin clue about Iraq it had to happen if not now, eventually. I agree that the way it was handled was sub par, but for all you Bush haters out there, give the man credit because not one of you would have the balls to do what he is doing right now, and that is sticking with what he started although he isn't like for it. Fact of the day everyone Abraham Lincoln, you know the guy on the 5 dollar bill, at the time he was president was hated almost as much as Bush was, but that all changed. History defines if a person was truly great or horrible, so lets wait to pass judgment on Bush.
Actually thats because that war was, umm, necessary. The US had been cut right in two, literally overnight. So Lincoln is admired because he pulled it back together. BTW he was hated by southerners who I guess finally had to work.
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What an ignorant ogre.
Do you not understand that all you know about Americans is what your government wants you to know.
I'm not sure which country you are from, but it's very clear the education is not a high priority.
As american we contribute a lot more than you realize to this rock we call earth.
I can't beigin to attack you on a personal level, or your country for that matter.
We the people of the United states of america do not appreciate the rest of the world looking down on us. Most of us are not political figures, not Hollywood movie stars, Not in the United states military. We are people just like everyone else, just trying to make a living and survive in a world full of chaos.
I will agree that some thing in the U.S. need to change, but here is the thing.
So far it is the best the world has to offer! I feel safer here than anywhere else.
screw you, and your hateful words toward Americans.
Here in the GREAT U.S.A. we call those words jealousy, and envy, which in turn becomes HATE. Hate tought by how many generations? Where are you from? What is your country doing to challenge the U.S. ?
Do you not understand that all you know about Americans is what your government wants you to know.
I'm not sure which country you are from, but it's very clear the education is not a high priority.
As american we contribute a lot more than you realize to this rock we call earth.
I can't beigin to attack you on a personal level, or your country for that matter.
We the people of the United states of america do not appreciate the rest of the world looking down on us. Most of us are not political figures, not Hollywood movie stars, Not in the United states military. We are people just like everyone else, just trying to make a living and survive in a world full of chaos.
I will agree that some thing in the U.S. need to change, but here is the thing.
So far it is the best the world has to offer! I feel safer here than anywhere else.
screw you, and your hateful words toward Americans.
Here in the GREAT U.S.A. we call those words jealousy, and envy, which in turn becomes HATE. Hate tought by how many generations? Where are you from? What is your country doing to challenge the U.S. ?
unriggable wrote:feiterman wrote:Shall we start on Iraq, oo fun. One for all of you who may or may not have a f**kin clue about Iraq it had to happen if not now, eventually. I agree that the way it was handled was sub par, but for all you Bush haters out there, give the man credit because not one of you would have the balls to do what he is doing right now, and that is sticking with what he started although he isn't like for it. Fact of the day everyone Abraham Lincoln, you know the guy on the 5 dollar bill, at the time he was president was hated almost as much as Bush was, but that all changed. History defines if a person was truly great or horrible, so lets wait to pass judgment on Bush.
Actually thats because that war was, umm, necessary. The US had been cut right in two, literally overnight. So Lincoln is admired because he pulled it back together. BTW he was hated by southerners who I guess finally had to work.
A good point unriggable, but i still believe that time must pass before we give the final judgment on Bush.
Re: D.IsleRealBrown
urbandewdude wrote:What an ignorant ogre.
Do you not understand that all you know about Americans is what your government wants you to know.
I'm not sure which country you are from, but it's very clear the education is not a high priority.
As american we contribute a lot more than you realize to this rock we call earth.
I can't beigin to attack you on a personal level, or your country for that matter.
We the people of the United states of america do not appreciate the rest of the world looking down on us. Most of us are not political figures, not Hollywood movie stars, Not in the United states military. We are people just like everyone else, just trying to make a living and survive in a world full of chaos.
I will agree that some thing in the U.S. need to change, but here is the thing.
So far it is the best the world has to offer! I feel safer here than anywhere else.
screw you, and your hateful words toward Americans.
Here in the GREAT U.S.A. we call those words jealousy, and envy, which in turn becomes HATE. Hate tought by how many generations? Where are you from? What is your country doing to challenge the U.S. ?
Although its a little over the top, I do agree, if you have a fault with America fine every one has the right to voice their own opinion, but if you have one, have a way to fix America's problem, because then maybe I'll give a little respect for actually thinking it through.
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feiterman wrote:Shall we start on Iraq, oo fun. One for all of you who may or may not have a f**kin clue about Iraq it had to happen if not now, eventually.
Why did it have to happen eventually? Iraq was such a threat to world peace? They are the weakest country in the region. There were no WMD...they were around (chemical) when the US was financing Saddam. Saddam was a horrible guy, but his power was waning. His most atrocious actions were in the 90s- and he was most dangerous in the 90s...and yet all through this time the West was funding him. He only became a threat after he began disobeying the States.
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