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Posted: **Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:06 pm**

pmchugh wrote:Big ass post on why speisr is scum coming up later tonight.

Scum driving a lynch on a townie?

Posted: **Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:23 pm**

spiesr wrote:
pmchugh wrote:Big ass post on why speisr is scum coming up later tonight.
Scum driving a lynch on a townie?

Or townie trying to win the game by lynching scum.

Poor logic someone has to build a case to get a lynch it does not make them scum but merely a player in the game.

Posted: **Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:30 pm**

Yeah, I know that you might just be a misguided townie trying to find scum...

Posted: **Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:27 pm**

Half way through my reread I noticed this:

spiesr wrote:
LSU Tiger Josh wrote:Hmmm if anyone was a mason with Drench and knew who he went to recruit it probably would be worth giving their name since he probably died from trying for a mafia member.

If Drench died by recruiting a mafia, his partner should definitely say so, if he has one.

Now Speisr's claim:

spiesr wrote:Well I may as well through my claim out there now.
I am the maimi dolphins (misspelling derf's) My role is crazy insomniac. Each night have can choose to shoot into my closet and kill whomever might be hiding there. So I am essentially a paranoid gun owner, but only if I choose to be each night. I am pretty sure derfderf just made us this role, but he does that sometimes. I have activated my powers every night so far, but I don't think it has done anything, except I suppose I could have maybe killed drench night 1.

You come up with a very plausable reason for Drench getting killed, that makes complete sense. That he tried to recruit a scum member into his mason group, and the thing is that no-one has claimed to be have been recruited by Drench (that I've seen anyway) please point it out if this is not the case. Speisr you pretty much claimed to have killed drench and this method makes far more sense than you being a self choosing PGO. And plus you claimed the Dolphins and according to the scene drench was killed by a bomb with the letter D on it, altough im not sure on that one.

And now comes the grand finale:

If this isn't enough you claimed to have activated every single night. I though it very unlikely that you would not have been targetted nights 2,3 and 4. And in fact now I have proof you were visited, according to you ani should be dead:

spiesr wrote:So animorpherv1, are you trying to kill me or what? I don't want to possess a lethal bomb.

You just admitted right here animo visited you. This was then later backed up when ani admitted to it and you passed it to sam. It is clear you were visited by ani and therefore your claim is false.

unvote vote speisr

Posted: **Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:37 pm**

pmc- The bomb was gioven a set time to expolde.

Posted: **Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:38 pm**

EBWOP: I held on to it for 2 nights and I didn't blow up. FTW.

Posted: **Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:39 pm**

Ani that has nothing to do with what I'm saying.

Speisr claimed that he is a (optional) PGO and that he chose to be every night. You passed it to speisr and to do so you must have visited him, but if he really was a PGO then you would have died as a PGO kills every visitor to him.

Posted: **Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:09 pm**

I just asked derfderf about this. He told me the delivery of the bomb does not activate the PGO effect. He will be on later to confirm this, but it could be a little while. So please don't lynch me until he does that.

pmchugh wrote:Half way through my reread I noticed this:

spiesr wrote:
LSU Tiger Josh wrote:Hmmm if anyone was a mason with Drench and knew who he went to recruit it probably would be worth giving their name since he probably died from trying for a mafia member.

If Drench died by recruiting a mafia, his partner should definitely say so, if he has one.

Now Speisr's claim:
spiesr wrote:Well I may as well through my claim out there now.
I am the maimi dolphins (misspelling derf's) My role is crazy insomniac. Each night have can choose to shoot into my closet and kill whomever might be hiding there. So I am essentially a paranoid gun owner, but only if I choose to be each night. I am pretty sure derfderf just made us this role, but he does that sometimes. I have activated my powers every night so far, but I don't think it has done anything, except I suppose I could have maybe killed drench night 1.

You come up with a very plausable reason for Drench getting killed, that makes complete sense. That he tried to recruit a scum member into his mason group, and the thing is that no-one has claimed to be have been recruited by Drench (that I've seen anyway) please point it out if this is not the case. Speisr you pretty much claimed to have killed drench and this method makes far more sense than you being a self choosing PGO. And plus you claimed the Dolphins and according to the scene drench was killed by a bomb with the letter D on it, altough im not sure on that one.

I don't understnad how drench probably being killed by attempting to recruit a scum makes me scum. I didn't claim to have certainly killed drench. I said it was possible he died from my PGO powers, but that we couldn't be exactly sure how he died.

Posted: **Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:26 am**

spiesr wrote:I just asked derfderf about this. He told me the delivery of the bomb does not activate the PGO effect. He will be on later to confirm this, but it could be a little while. So please don't lynch me until he does that.

If he confirms that then I fully believe you, I doubt he put in a mafia PGO. If he doesn't confirm it then I don't believe you one bit and you should be lynched.

Posted: **Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:11 am**

pmc- once again, your logic fails. Only people that visit the PGO die, not the other way around.

Posted: **Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:25 am**

animorpherv1 wrote:pmc- once again, your logic fails. Only people that visit the PGO die, not the other way around.

Erm first of all when has it failed before and secondly it is 100% correct cause your being your usual self.

You visited speisr to give him the bomb. ](*,)

Its either a strange rule by derf, a mistake by derf or a lie from speisr.

Posted: **Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:54 pm**

Thats actually a reallly good point, I forgot the bomb went ani->spies->sam and not just ani->sam.

I dont think that ani should be alive if this is a true claim, as I have never seen any role that can actually visit a PGO without getting killed in the process as the PGO is a passive ability that targets anything that targets it. Even role obscurers like hider, roleblocker, bus driver, motivator etc all get killed by a PGO in every ruleset I know of.

Posted: **Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:36 pm**

Its Bolt wrote:Thats actually a reallly good point, I forgot the bomb went ani->spies->sam and not just ani->sam.

I dont think that ani should be alive if this is a true claim, as I have never seen any role that can actually visit a PGO without getting killed in the process as the PGO is a passive ability that targets anything that targets it. Even role obscurers like hider, roleblocker, bus driver, motivator etc all get killed by a PGO in every ruleset I know of.

I think derfderf screwed up. I never got a bp proof role either.

Posted: **Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:41 pm**

OK Just calm down everybody. Bombs are delivered in packages at doorsteps becasue who would take a bomb that could randomly explode by choice? so a PGO wouldnt kill someone if they were passed the bomb

Posted: **Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:21 pm**

derfderf34 wrote:OK Just calm down everybody. Bombs are delivered in packages at doorsteps becasue who would take a bomb that could randomly explode by choice? so a PGO wouldnt kill someone if they were passed the bomb

He just basically backed up speisrs claim, and since anis claim is easily the best i think it comes down to sam or bolt.

I noticed a few people talking about a hungry townie before sam claimed, was this revealed as being a role? I believe sam, because I doubt he would have admitted having the choice of SK.

unvote vote bolt by process of elimination.

Posted: **Fri Mar 20, 2009 7:45 pm**

quick question for bolt: does your role do anything? If so, what?

Posted: **Fri Mar 20, 2009 7:57 pm**

derfderf34 wrote:OK Just calm down everybody. Bombs are delivered in packages at doorsteps becasue who would take a bomb that could randomly explode by choice? so a PGO wouldnt kill someone if they were passed the bomb

Thats bad role resolution. Players dont want to be roleblocked, vig killed or anything along those lines, but its forced on them, its not like you walk to the door, see the vig holding a gun and open the door. PGO is supposed to kill anyone that targets them all the time. Saying this in thread is even worse since it basically confirms existance of roles, which is something that a mod should never do. I refuse to comment on how any role interactions resolve in closed games since you are adding mod-WIFOM and usually helping a faction by doing so.

Regardless

vote pmc

If you flip doctor, it practically confirms ani as town given that a no kill only makes sense coming from you at this point in an attempt to prove your fakeclaim. The mod just basically confirmed spies in thread, ani I still think is town. Sam is being really narrowminded right now which is bugging me, but I lean to pmc lynch at this point.

@ani - I have no clue what my role does, I think miller though.

Posted: **Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:21 pm**

pmchugh wrote:Updates claim list:
pmchugh- Buffalo Bills- Doctor
animorpherv- Steelers- Original bomb holder/now vanilla
its bolt- Broncos- Pissed off Townie (doesnt know role entirely suspects Miller)
sam- ????- Hungry Townie
speisr - Miami dolphins- Crazy insomniac

Posted: **Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:22 pm**

Its Bolt wrote:
derfderf34 wrote:OK Just calm down everybody. Bombs are delivered in packages at doorsteps becasue who would take a bomb that could randomly explode by choice? so a PGO wouldnt kill someone if they were passed the bomb

Thats bad role resolution. Players dont want to be roleblocked, vig killed or anything along those lines, but its forced on them, its not like you walk to the door, see the vig holding a gun and open the door. PGO is supposed to kill anyone that targets them all the time. Saying this in thread is even worse since it basically confirms existance of roles, which is something that a mod should never do. I refuse to comment on how any role interactions resolve in closed games since you are adding mod-WIFOM and usually helping a faction by doing so.

Regardless

vote pmc

If you flip doctor, it practically confirms ani as town given that a no kill only makes sense coming from you at this point in an attempt to prove your fakeclaim. The mod just basically confirmed spies in thread, ani I still think is town. Sam is being really narrowminded right now which is bugging me, but I lean to pmc lynch at this point.

@ani - I have no clue what my role does, I think miller though.

That makes absolutely zero sense, because i claimed doctor I wouldn't kill to back up my claim? Rubbish, if I were scum I would have killed off sam becasue of his one shot kill and then just said I protected ani. Then i would have gotten either you or bolt lynched and killed ani giving me the win. If scum chose at this point not to make a kill it would be a horrible choice considering it would mean they need two succesful lynches instead of one.

Think about it guys which role sounds more likely.

Doctor- probably the second most common role in mafia.
I don't know my roel and the mod wont tell me, although I think I'm a miller so if you investigate me I will turn up scum :roll:

I know this is a derf game, but even he wouldn't do that.

Posted: **Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:25 pm**

If we can look at the overall wins of both pmc's and bolt's claimed teams, then we may be able to find scum. It's a longshot, IMO, but maybe least win % = scum?

I think sam is confirmed, because if he wanted to, he could have passed the bomb to someone, and have it expolde, but he didn't, he ate the bomb instead :lol:

.

My only problem(s) are pmc and bolt.

pmc because mafia doctor can shoot and protect the same person.
b0lt because he doesn't know what his role does.

Posted: **Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:35 pm**

animorpherv1 wrote:pmc because he could have deliberately chose not to kill to prove he is a doctor.
b0lt because he doesn't know what his role does.

Fixed it for you.

To your problem with mewhich was wrongly stated I again reply:

pmchugh wrote:That makes absolutely zero sense, because i claimed doctor I wouldn't kill to back up my claim? Rubbish, if I were scum I would have killed off sam becasue of his one shot kill and then just said I protected ani. Then i would have gotten either you or bolt lynched and killed ani giving me the win. If scum chose at this point not to make a kill it would be a horrible choice considering it would mean they need two succesful lynches instead of one.

Think about it guys which role sounds more likely.

Doctor- probably the second most common role in mafia.
I don't know my role and the mod wont tell me, although I think I'm a miller so if you investigate me I will turn up scum

I know this is a derf game, but even he wouldn't do that.

Posted: **Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:15 pm**

I don't think the last scum would be a scum doc, more likely just a goon.
Well it appears to be between bolt and pmc.
I am inclined to think pmc.
It appears that vote pmc is safe has bolt has already voted for him.

Posted: **Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:30 pm**

spiesr wrote:I don't think the last scum would be a scum doc, more likely just a goon.
Well it appears to be between bolt and pmc.
I am inclined to think pmc.
It appears that vote pmc is safe has bolt has already voted for him.

"I am inclined" give me one single good reason why:

A. You believe my play has been scummy and
B. Why you think my claim is false when it is one billion times better than Bolt's.

The only reason i can think your siding with bolt is because i suspected you, I know in mafia its easy to vote of someone who was going for your lynch but remember we are close to endgame and a lynching a doctor at this stage is fatal.

And Im at L-1 so no-one vote me until you are convinced it is me. Speisr if you are not convinced yet then I suggest you unvote so no one else can hammer even if you keep a major fos on me. Just don't want quick lynched.

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:11 am**

let's get this stright before we lynch ANYONE.

we have 5 people, assumingly 1 Mafia vs. 4 town
If we lynch, I vs. 3
I mafia kills, 1vs. 2
mislynch tomorrow 1vs.1 = Mafia win

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:46 am**

animorpherv1 wrote:let's get this stright before we lynch ANYONE.

we have 5 people, assumingly 1 Mafia vs. 4 town
If we lynch, I vs. 3
I mafia kills, 1vs. 2
mislynch tomorrow 1vs.1 = Mafia win

Which means we have two lynches to win this.

Lynch bolt today and if he's town fair enough lynch me tommorow. If one of us is the mafia you win.

I am more useful to keep alive during the night (presuming we are both town) as my role is way better.

We can win this today if we lynch bolt.

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