Conquer Club

Juan_Bottom wrote:

heavycola wrote:Whereas your typical troofer mistake is to assume that because their travel plans were changed, these unnamed 'officials' (where were they travelling to? what were their jobs?) knew the twin towers were about to be attacked?
How do you make that assumption?

The evidence as presented is circumstantial. YES, EXACTLY! If these Pentagon officials, and Willie Brown too, Where concerned ENOUGH to cancel their own flights on Sept 11, then why where they taken completely by surprise by the attacks?

Did you read the rest of the Newsweek article, or just the bit Alex Jones cherrypicked? I posted it for you...
It's as if you have no critical faculties whatsoever when it comes to this stuff!
Look: There had been several indeterminate warnings about possible attacks in the months previously. Answer me this: the attacks took place on the eastern seaboard using fully fuelled planes, for obvious reasons. if 'they' knew about the attacks, why warn the mayor of san francisco - a city several thousand miles away - who, even if he had flown, would have missed the attacks by several hours and would only have been diverted?he would never have been in danger - so if 'they' knew, why warn willie brown? Answer please.
(my suggestion: the intel was so non-specific, as with the US navy in the arabian ports, that no one knew what was happening...)

And I have yet to actually see a lack of leadership. Even If I take your version of accounts. NORAD knew about these missing planes right away(original report lied), and Cheny himself was doing 'something.'

Circumstantial and tenuous evidence FTW!
Where is your evidence the original report lied?
What is this 'something'? Where is your evidence?

TO THINK IT WAS BUSH IS IGNORANT.

BTW HE IS SUPOSED TO BE THE DUMBEST MAN ON THE PLANET BUT HE BECAME PRESIDENT OF THE GREATEST NATION ON THE PLANET AND HE CREATED THE BIGGEST TERROR ATTACK ON THE PLANET AND GOT AWAY WITH IT SO FAR LOL!!! YEAH RIGHT GET REAL HERE FOLKS

THORNHEART wrote:TO THINK IT WAS BUSH IS IGNORANT.

BTW HE IS SUPOSED TO BE THE DUMBEST MAN ON THE PLANET BUT HE BECAME PRESIDENT OF THE GREATEST NATION ON THE PLANET AND HE CREATED THE BIGGEST TERROR ATTACK ON THE PLANET AND GOT AWAY WITH IT SO FAR LOL!!! YEAH RIGHT GET REAL HERE FOLKS

If you think Bush "created" anything, that is ignorant. Bush, as much as you guys seem to disbelieve, isn't as powerful as you make him out to be. Bush is doing the will of those in control.

jay_a2j wrote:

THORNHEART wrote:TO THINK IT WAS BUSH IS IGNORANT.

BTW HE IS SUPOSED TO BE THE DUMBEST MAN ON THE PLANET BUT HE BECAME PRESIDENT OF THE GREATEST NATION ON THE PLANET AND HE CREATED THE BIGGEST TERROR ATTACK ON THE PLANET AND GOT AWAY WITH IT SO FAR LOL!!! YEAH RIGHT GET REAL HERE FOLKS

If you think Bush "created" anything, that is ignorant. Bush, as much as you guys seem to disbelieve, isn't as powerful as you make him out to be. Bush is doing the will of those in control.

go jay! ignore the stuff you don't want to hear and concentrate on the vague caps lock bits!
Face it - a 767 has been flown into these rickety conspiracy theories and they have come tumbling down. Even Juan has stopped answering.

THORNHEART wrote:TO THINK IT WAS BUSH IS IGNORANT.

BTW HE IS SUPOSED TO BE THE DUMBEST MAN ON THE PLANET BUT HE BECAME PRESIDENT OF THE GREATEST NATION ON THE PLANET AND HE CREATED THE BIGGEST TERROR ATTACK ON THE PLANET AND GOT AWAY WITH IT SO FAR LOL!!! YEAH RIGHT GET REAL HERE FOLKS

You seem to have missed the fact that the recent crop of US presidents have been pretty abysmal

THORNHEART wrote:TO THINK IT WAS BUSH IS IGNORANT.

BTW HE IS SUPOSED TO BE THE DUMBEST MAN ON THE PLANET BUT HE BECAME PRESIDENT OF THE GREATEST NATION ON THE PLANET AND HE CREATED THE BIGGEST TERROR ATTACK ON THE PLANET AND GOT AWAY WITH IT SO FAR LOL!!! YEAH RIGHT GET REAL HERE FOLKS

He's got a point.

Conspiracy NO more I did it it was meee

apey wrote:Conspiracy NO more I did it it was meee

wow you total bitch!

GrimReaper. wrote:

THORNHEART wrote:TO THINK IT WAS BUSH IS IGNORANT.

BTW HE IS SUPOSED TO BE THE DUMBEST MAN ON THE PLANET BUT HE BECAME PRESIDENT OF THE GREATEST NATION ON THE PLANET AND HE CREATED THE BIGGEST TERROR ATTACK ON THE PLANET AND GOT AWAY WITH IT SO FAR LOL!!! YEAH RIGHT GET REAL HERE FOLKS

He's got a point.

No one said Bush did it.

heavycola wrote:Even Juan has stopped answering.

No I haven't. I'm no coward. And I'm not done. But! I'll let you know. Just because I'm not online for 10 hours doesn't mean I'm ignoring anyone.

joecoolfrog wrote:How terribly frustrating it is to seek information and recieve only silence......I think we can safely now assume that these conspiracy claims are without substance

Firstly, that's hilarious, since Bush is blocking further 911 investigations. Secondly, WTF are you talking about?
You're sooooo coool.

heavycola wrote:Answer me this: the attacks took place on the eastern seaboard using fully fuelled planes, for obvious reasons. if 'they' knew about the attacks, why warn the mayor of san francisco - a city several thousand miles away - who, even if he had flown, would have missed the attacks by several hours and would only have been diverted?he would never have been in danger - so if 'they' knew, why warn willie brown?

If we go by your version of events, then I'm not sure. It would be all speculative, but probably because they had no idea what/where the planes would be jacked. But then, my point still stands. Why where they soo immobile? They have training exercises for this stuff, and everyone knows their job. So why not do anything? and what was Cheny doing, since our jets got up in the air waaay too late. And if we were so slow to respond, what where those Doomsday planes doing above the pentagon, and WTCs?

heavycola wrote:Where is your evidence the original report lied?

I read it.
And the original report(and probably the latest version too) said that Cheny was in a bomb shelter.
Do you want me to pull some interviews or something?

heavycola wrote:What is this 'something'? Where is your evidence?

Just what we talked about before. How am I to build a case if you keep forgeting everything that I say?

So for the 137th time how was it logisticaly possible to get so many people to commit what amounted to treason and keep every single one of them quiet ever since ?

Juan_Bottom wrote:
If we go by your version of events, then I'm not sure. It would be all speculative, but probably because they had no idea what/where the planes would be jacked. But then, my point still stands. Why where they soo immobile?

'THEY HAD NO IDEA WHER THE PLANES WOULD BE HIJACKED.'
yes. So your point doesn't stand. Added to which Willie Brown, whom you have mentioned several times in your argument so far, is a LIBERAL mayor of the most LIBERAL city in the US. Why would a neocon conspiracy warn HIM? They WOULDN'T! And he would have been completely safe anyway!

They have training exercises for this stuff, , and everyone knows their job.

Do they? Are 'they' so trained 'they' know exactly what to dwhen every commercial flight over their heads could be a potential flying bomb?

So why not do anything? and what was Cheny doing, since our jets got up in the air waaay too late. And if we were so slow to respond, what where those Doomsday planes doing above the pentagon, and WTCs?

Ok i'll bite: what is a doomsday plane and where is the evidnce they were above these buildings when the planes hit?

heavycola wrote:Where is your evidence the original report lied?

I read it.

Dude you have nothing. You never have. This is all supposition, assumption and cherrypicking. You seem open minded enough to argue in the religious threads, why can't you think about this with a critical and objective mind?

The marvin bush stuff was wrong, the sniffer dogs stuff is wrong, the controlled demolition stuff is wrong.

heavycola wrote:'THEY HAD NO IDEA WHER THE PLANES WOULD BE HIJACKED.'
yes. So your point doesn't stand.

America isn't that big. Especially since NORAD WAS AWARE OF THE MISSING PLANES!!!!!!!!!! Where the planes are hijacked is not important at all. Please keep up.

Stop only listening to half of what I'm saying!!!! If NORAD was aware of the missing planes FROM THE START, then WHAT WAS CHENY TALKING ABOUT??????????? WHY WAS THERE NO RESPONSE????????? IT WAS NORAD'S FRIGGIN' MOST IMPORTANT JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yet they ignored the hijackings until every single last plane had hit????

It doesn't matter if they knew where, what matters is that they did nothing.

Do to the fact that there was no response, it looks as though either Cheny was ordering a stand down, or he was directing the hit on the Pentagon.

heavycola wrote:Ok i'll bite: what is a doomsday plane and where is the evidnce they were above these buildings when the planes hit?

Those are the silver planes filmed over the Pentagon and the towers. They aren't important to my point.

heavycola wrote:Dude you have nothing. You never have. This is all supposition, assumption and cherrypicking. You seem open minded enough to argue in the religious threads, why can't you think about this with a critical and objective mind?

I would give you circimstancial, but that's it.
http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/260607_mineta.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR7b_zofzXU

I hope that's the video you need. Cheny said he arrived at the Pentagon AFTER THE ATTACK. But Mineta said that he had already been there. Remember?



And I am one who doesn't think being liberal, or Conservitive has anything to do with anything.

joecoolfrog wrote:#-o

So for the 137th time how was it logisticaly possible to get so many people to commit what amounted to treason and keep every single one of them quiet ever since ?

IVE ANSWERED THAT QUESTION. TRY AND KEEP UP.

Here, why don't you argue too?
Does anyone else think Flight 93 landed in CINCINATTI?
http://www.thepowerhour.com/news2/cleve ... ight93.htm

Backglass wrote:

Jenos Ridan wrote:The lynchpin to the theory: absolute operational silence.

History has shown that even the smallest operation has been very difficult to hide. If the CIA cannot keep leaks from forming which concern day-to-day operations (fairly low-importance), how do you keep absolute secrecy about a plot to kill thousands, in the view of thousands more, for the sole purpose of setting a pretence to lay blame on a "pre-set" scapegoat?

Answer: the conspiracy never happened. Islamic Terrorists flew hijacked planes into US buildings. JUST GET OVER IT ALREADY!!!!!!!!one!!!11111!!!!oneityone1one!!!!

This is exactly my stance as well.

These theories, if true, would involve THOUSANDS of people. Yet it remains air tight. Are these robots? Humans with no concience? Jay and the tin-foil hat crowd always de-humanize it by saying "The Government" did this and "The Media" did that. Well, your government & media is made of people. Americans with kids and families. They aren't clones or automatons.

Out of the thousands necessary to pull this off...not one is disgruntled? Not one wants to be a millionaire from the movie & book rights? Not ONE feels the slightest bit bad about killing thousands of fellow Americans?

Please...some people watch way too many movies.

I'm glad we both agree that Jay is a loon.

But how can he ignore the nearly seventy years of back history involving islamic terrorism: Muslims aiding Hitler, Anti-Israeli governments in Syria and Egypt, the Munich Olympics, the Iranian Revolution, Libya's Momar Quadiff, the Soviet-Afghan War, Yasser Arafat, the USS Cole and so on..........

joecoolfrog wrote:#-o

So for the 137th time how was it logisticaly possible to get so many people to commit what amounted to treason and keep every single one of them quiet ever since ?

How are you able to keep track so precisely the number of times people throw this fat brick into their house of glass?

You're not alone in wanting an answer; myself, BackGlass and many others are dying to hear this.

Juan_Bottom wrote:

joecoolfrog wrote:#-o

So for the 137th time how was it logisticaly possible to get so many people to commit what amounted to treason and keep every single one of them quiet ever since ?

IVE ANSWERED THAT QUESTION. TRY AND KEEP UP.

Here, why don't you argue too?
Does anyone else think Flight 93 landed in CINCINATTI?
http://www.thepowerhour.com/news2/cleve ... ight93.htm

Err actually no you havent answered that question at all, it takes a special type of idiot to be both patronising and incorrect at the same time....congratulations
So for the 138th time can you answer the above question,straight answer not more conjecture please.

Juan_Bottom wrote:

heavycola wrote:'THEY HAD NO IDEA WHER THE PLANES WOULD BE HIJACKED.'
yes. So your point doesn't stand.

America isn't that big. Especially since NORAD WAS AWARE OF THE MISSING PLANES!!!!!!!!!! Where the planes are hijacked is not important at all. Please keep up.

um.........

yeah, it is a big deal.

Juan_Bottom wrote:Stop only listening to half of what I'm saying!!!! If NORAD was aware of the missing planes FROM THE START, then WHAT WAS CHENY TALKING ABOUT??????????? WHY WAS THERE NO RESPONSE????????? IT WAS NORAD'S FRIGGIN' MOST IMPORTANT JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yet they ignored the hijackings until every single last plane had hit????

Their primary job is to track satellites and ICBMS, commerical flights are only a fairly recent (as in maybe the last twenty to thirty years) task for which they exist to safeguard against.

Besides, do you have any idea how many flights were still in the air after all the warnings the day before were issued?

Juan_Bottom wrote:It doesn't matter if they knew where, what matters is that they did nothing.

Doesn't matter? So how can you shoot down what you don't even know where it is happening or what it is that is happening?

Juan_Bottom wrote:Do to the fact that there was no response, it looks as though either Cheny was ordering a stand down, or he was directing the hit on the Pentagon.

Maybe they didn't know for sure which flight was headed towards targets for terrorist attacks?

You seem to assume if the government is not the omnipotent protector of it's citizens, then it MUST be a planned event by the same, ignoring the fact that information leaks from the people involved would have slipped out of the "cabal" like water though a sieve.

The absolute, deafening silence of these nameless, faceless drones is staggering.

Therefore, it never happened as you discribe.

Juan_Bottom wrote:

heavycola wrote:Ok i'll bite: what is a doomsday plane and where is the evidnce they were above these buildings when the planes hit?

Those are the silver planes filmed over the Pentagon and the towers. They aren't important to my point.

Ok, now I know you've flipped your lid. The planes that HIT the BUILDINGS in question are inconsequencial?

For the sweet love of all humanity, THINK BEFORE YOU TYPE!!

Juan_Bottom wrote:

heavycola wrote:Dude you have nothing. You never have. This is all supposition, assumption and cherrypicking. You seem open minded enough to argue in the religious threads, why can't you think about this with a critical and objective mind?

I would give you circimstancial, but that's it.
http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/260607_mineta.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR7b_zofzXU

I hope that's the video you need. Cheny said he arrived at the Pentagon AFTER THE ATTACK. But Mineta said that he had already been there. Remember?



And I am one who doesn't think being liberal, or Conservitive has anything to do with anything.

We are not interested in circumstancial bollocks and hyperbole. So take your YouTube clips and go home. I think we are done here.

And why would Bush or Cheny, who are allegedly at the heart of all this, warn a Liberal mayor of a Liberal city? Or allow that warning to be passed out so openly?

The logic of the matter is quite clear: It was islamic terrorists. The entire US government is made up of mere mortals, not precognitive Jedi or comic-book superheros; sh!t happens. The world is NOT run by the Masons, or the Bilderburgers or anyother scapegoat for which to hang theories onto.

If you are too blind with ravenous witch-hunting to see all this, God help you.

joecoolfrog wrote:

Juan_Bottom wrote:

joecoolfrog wrote:#-o

So for the 137th time how was it logisticaly possible to get so many people to commit what amounted to treason and keep every single one of them quiet ever since ?

IVE ANSWERED THAT QUESTION. TRY AND KEEP UP.

Here, why don't you argue too?
Does anyone else think Flight 93 landed in CINCINATTI?
http://www.thepowerhour.com/news2/cleve ... ight93.htm

Err actually no you havent answered that question at all, it takes a special type of idiot to be both patronising and incorrect at the same time....congratulations
So for the 138th time can you answer the above question,straight answer not more conjecture please.

Answer the bleedin' question, *holds a M1911 .45 ACP to your temple* right now!

Jenos Ridan wrote:the USS Cole

Everyone allegedly involved in the USS Cole attack is free. They were freed, or "escaped."

joecoolfrog wrote:Err actually no you havent answered that question at all, it takes a special type of idiot to be both patronising and incorrect at the same time....congratulations

Then yes, congratulations to you. Now scoll back a couple of pages and read my reply to this question. I'm sick of constantly having to repeat myself in this thread. Idiot.

Jenos Ridan wrote:So take your YouTube clips and go home.

It's actually a CNN clip, I believe. Everyone knows that I hate YOUTUBE.

Jenos Ridan wrote:And why would Bush or Cheny, who are allegedly at the heart of all this, warn a Liberal mayor of a Liberal city? Or allow that warning to be passed out so openly?

Who cares? Whether terrorists were actually involved or not, they were warned...

Jenos Ridan wrote:The logic of the matter is quite clear: It was islamic terrorists. The entire US government is made up of mere mortals, not precognitive Jedi or comic-book superheros; sh!t happens. The world is NOT run by the Masons, or the Bilderburgers or anyother scapegoat for which to hang theories onto.

If you are too blind with ravenous witch-hunting to see all this, God help you.

You can shove your God crap up your ass. In that matter, you're as blind as a bat.

And I never said anything about Builderberg, or Masons. What the hell do they have to do with anything I said?

Jenos Ridan wrote:Ok, now I know you've flipped your lid. The planes that HIT the BUILDINGS in question are inconsequencial?

For the sweet love of all humanity, THINK BEFORE YOU TYPE!!

Think before YOU TYPE!!!!! Wrong planes. The Doomsday planes are CIA jets. Completely different planes.

I would appreciate it if ya'll weren't so insulting. You keep looking like asses anyways.

Jenos Ridan wrote:Maybe they didn't know for sure which flight was headed towards targets for terrorist attacks?

You seem to assume if the government is not the omnipotent protector of it's citizens, then it MUST be a planned event by the same, ignoring the fact that information leaks from the people involved would have slipped out of the "cabal" like water though a sieve.

The absolute, deafening silence of these nameless, faceless drones is staggering.

Therefore, it never happened as you discribe.

Um... go back and read what I was actually talking about here. It has to do with Cheny actually tracking the plane or missle that hit the Pentagon, and then lieing about it. If you're going to jump into the middle of a conversation like this, please get yourself acquanted with what where talking about.

Jenos Ridan wrote:Doesn't matter? So how can you shoot down what you don't even know where it is happening or what it is that is happening?

Again, please get yourself acquinted. NORAD knew which planes were hijacked. They used a simple process involving a radio. They tracked them too. They just didn't do anything about them. Not even after planes staarted hitting stuff.

Jenos Ridan wrote:Their primary job is to track satellites and ICBMS, commerical flights are only a fairly recent (as in maybe the last twenty to thirty years) task for which they exist to safeguard against.

Yes, and a cops main job is to write tickets. But when a shooting goes down, suddenly the tickets are a little less important.

Jenos Ridan wrote:um.........

yeah, it is a big deal.

But irrelevant, if there is no response.

Juan we all can see who the Fucking idiot is !
I have scrolled all the way back to when I first asked the question.....You have not answered it !!!!!
Now for the 139th time......
Oh and dont forget to eat a heap of humble pie , put on your dunce cap and post an appology.

Juan_Bottom wrote:

Jenos Ridan wrote:And why would Bush or Cheny, who are allegedly at the heart of all this, warn a Liberal mayor of a Liberal city? Or allow that warning to be passed out so openly?

Who cares? Whether terrorists were actually involved or not, they were warned...

You're ignoring the point. YOU brought up Willie Brown and how he was warned not to fly on 9/11: It has been pointed out that he was never in any danger even if he had flown; that he is the last person a neocon elite conspiracy would warn; and that this piece of your 'evidence' actually shows how little intel knew about the wheres and how of the attacks.
yet you ignore it every time, or now you say it doesn; matter.

When I said 'liberal' i wasn;t talking politics, i was talking about open-mindedness adn a willingness to countenance other views. I was certainly interested in the 9/11 conspiracy claims for a while: It was pretty seductive, before i did my own research and discovered it was a house of cards, nothing but self-important bullshit based on assumptions, half-truths and outright fabrications.

That's what i meant. But you've stopped responding; now all you do is throw in more troofer nuggets, like CIA doomsday planes. So again:
a) is there any documentary evidence for these 'doomsday planes'? eyewitnesses, CIA leaks, videos?
b) why, in this day and age, would planes need to be above buildings in order to attack them with other planes?
c) where did you hear this? Why are they named 'doomsday planes'?
etc
etc

Your answer, i expect, will be to ignore this or dismiss it.

Again, please get yourself acquinted. NORAD knew which planes were hijacked. They used a simple process involving a radio. They tracked them too. They just didn't do anything about them. Not even after planes staarted hitting stuff.

Jenos Ridan wrote:Their primary job is to track satellites and ICBMS, commerical flights are only a fairly recent (as in maybe the last twenty to thirty years) task for which they exist to safeguard against.

Yes, and a cops main job is to write tickets. But when a shooting goes down, suddenly the tickets are a little less important.

THINK about your analogy! Is a traffic warden going to deal brilliantly with a homicide?

You're getting like jay, man, shutting yourself off from every reasonable answer to your suppositions and assumptions. What you should have done is take these allegations that you accept apparently unquestioningly from demonstrable frauds like alex jones, and look for the source material.

Then draw your own conclusions. It is what you would demand of creationists arguing against evolution, so why can you not apply that to yourself here?

I think this is my cue to go to bed... but think about Heavy's points, Juan.

joecoolfrog wrote:Juan we all can see who the Fucking idiot is !
I have scrolled all the way back to when I first asked the question.....You have not answered it !!!!!
Now for the 139th time......
Oh and dont forget to eat a heap of humble pie , put on your dunce cap and post an appology.

Again yes I have, smart ass. You think that you're so original that only you could ask such a brain-buster??? But fine...

I don't like to speculate. That's what gets a body into trouble. What we know, is that the official story doesn't work. We'll go after everything else, when we learn more.

SPECULATION---NOT TO BE DEBATED AS FACT
Tower 7, if we are being speculative, is the key. Firefighters have testified to finding bodies inside tower 7, and during cleanup. They've even been on the Alex Jones show, but it was well before I even knew the guy existed. The government(CIA,FBI,IRS) had it completely leased. It's the building that wasn't hit by a plane, and collapsed.
The man who was flying flight 77 formerly worked at the Pentagon. Guess what he did there? He proposed a "what-if." It was "hey! what-if a passenger jet hit the pentagon?" He was the reason that the Pentagon was undergoing renovations. Why the wall that was struck was the only completed wall. If we speculate, there was probably only about a hundred people in "the know." And their numbers where witteled away by immediate execusions.
Of course, the question of whether or not the Mossuad was involved is a good one, that I pointed out already.

If you're gonna kill 3,000 people, a hundred more seem inconsiquential.

All subsiquent investigations have been blocked by Bush. He himself appointed the actual investagative committee. We really may never know.

heavycola wrote:assumptions, half-truths and outright fabrications.

SO DID CHENY LIE OR NOT???

heavycola wrote:You're ignoring the point. YOU brought up Willie Brown and how he was warned not to fly on 9/11: It has been pointed out that he was never in any danger even if he had flown; that he is the last person a neocon elite conspiracy would warn; and that this piece of your 'evidence' actually shows how little intel knew about the wheres and how of the attacks.
yet you ignore it every time, or now you say it doesn; matter.

I was using that to argue your POV. If they had any idea of a plane attack, as Mr Grim was kind enough to point out that they did, then why did they not react? We know Cheny was certainly doing something.
When and where isn't important. after the first plane "disappeared, and later struck a tower, they knew just which planes where missing. Yet they DID NOTHING. A fact which you ignore. Could the fact that they did nothing be tied up wwith Cheny...yes....maybe....and?.... But all you're doing is dissmissing it.

heavycola wrote:a) is there any documentary evidence for these 'doomsday planes'? eyewitnesses, CIA leaks, videos?
b) why, in this day and age, would planes need to be above buildings in order to attack them with other planes?
c) where did you hear this? Why are they named 'doomsday planes'?
etc
etc

They aren't important. The DOOMSDAY planes are CIA last resort planes. It would be SOP to send them up. They are in each LOOSECHANGE film too. The point was that the Doomsday planes where at the towers and Pentagon, yet NORAD never bothered.
They are not consiquential.

Have I ignored or dismissed anything you've said? You have a lot of nerve.

heavycola wrote:THINK about your analogy! Is a traffic warden going to deal brilliantly with a homicide?

Who cares, so long as they react.

Juan_Bottom wrote:

joecoolfrog wrote:Juan we all can see who the Fucking idiot is !
I have scrolled all the way back to when I first asked the question.....You have not answered it !!!!!
Now for the 139th time......
Oh and dont forget to eat a heap of humble pie , put on your dunce cap and post an appology.

Again yes I have, smart ass. You think that you're so original that only you could ask such a brain-buster??? But fine...

I don't like to speculate. That's what gets a body into trouble. What we know, is that the official story doesn't work. We'll go after everything else, when we learn more.

SPECULATION---NOT TO BE DEBATED AS FACT
Tower 7, if we are being speculative, is the key. Firefighters have testified to finding bodies inside tower 7, and during cleanup. They've even been on the Alex Jones show, but it was well before I even knew the guy existed. The government(CIA,FBI,IRS) had it completely leased. It's the building that wasn't hit by a plane, and collapsed.
The man who was flying flight 77 formerly worked at the Pentagon. Guess what he did there? He proposed a "what-if." It was "hey! what-if a passenger jet hit the pentagon?" He was the reason that the Pentagon was undergoing renovations. Why the wall that was struck was the only completed wall. If we speculate, there was probably only about a hundred people in "the know." And their numbers where witteled away by immediate execusions.
Of course, the question of whether or not the Mossuad was involved is a good one, that I pointed out already.

If you're gonna kill 3,000 people, a hundred more seem inconsiquential.

All subsiquent investigations have been blocked by Bush. He himself appointed the actual investagative committee. We really may never know.

Oh I see you are not man enough to concede that you were wrong and that you have made a complete fool of yourself so you just throw out more insults, keep backtracking coward
As Cola has said you are just as insufferable as Jay though at least he is merely deluded and doesnt resort to outright lies as you are doing now to cover your sorry arse - doesnt work mate !