Conquer Club

StorrZerg wrote:Hotshot next for tomorrow. YOu might as well claim tonight.

Woo hoo!! We got one!

I'm not convinced that HotShot is management yet.

What do you think about Mets/AoG?

They both should claim tonight.

I'm still wanting hotshot first.

As far as things are concerned. Mets hasn't done anything.

And hotshot has scummy voting, pushing.

I want their claims tonight, so I can give final input on them. Can't be sure I'll be around tomorrow, so I want the information now

Look, I understand that people may understandably want a claim given that my character has been away basically all game. But I'm not going to do it N3 just because Storr wants me to.

Metsfanmax wrote:Look, I understand that people may understandably want a claim given that my character has been away basically all game. But I'm not going to do it N3 just because Storr wants me to.

Yes you are. You can't actually give a good reason not to.

Doc and jailer are dead.

"Cop" is claimed

Day vig has shot.

Your not double voter.
your not the gifter.

Mafia literally has no reason to shoot you or block you. thus you claiming now is helpful.

Metsfanmax wrote:Look, I understand that people may understandably want a claim given that my character has been away basically all game. But I'm not going to do it N3 just because Storr wants me to.

I want it. You conveniently pop in a soon as a lynch is made and then give stompy feet because Storr asks you to?

Tell you what I will even say please. Please claim. If you are town your role will not be a game changer and can only help Town by claiming.

Ib, please put same pressure on HS thanks

Iron Butterfly wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:Look, I understand that people may understandably want a claim given that my character has been away basically all game. But I'm not going to do it N3 just because Storr wants me to.

I want it. You conveniently pop in a soon as a lynch is made and then give stompy feet because Storr asks you to?

It's not "stompy feet," it's policy. I don't claim because one person wants me to claim. And it wasn't "convenient," I was out of town all weekend and didn't have a computer with me. And I was pushing mtam earlier, so it's not like I wouldn't have joined in that lynch if I was able to.

Tell you what I will even say please. Please claim. If you are town your role will not be a game changer and can only help Town by claiming.

I plan to claim, but I am having a hard time understanding the logic for doing it in a night phase. If I am a power role, I'm only giving mafia a good target. If I'm a vanilla townie, I'm narrowing down the list of targets that mafia has to shoot at to get a PR. And since town presumably has no more killing or blocking roles left, there's nothing that town can really do with the information. The only thing a night claim helps is the mafia.

Metsfanmax wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:Look, I understand that people may understandably want a claim given that my character has been away basically all game. But I'm not going to do it N3 just because Storr wants me to.

I want it. You conveniently pop in a soon as a lynch is made and then give stompy feet because Storr asks you to?

It's not "stompy feet," it's policy. I don't claim because one person wants me to claim. And it wasn't "convenient," I was out of town all weekend and didn't have a computer with me. And I was pushing mtam earlier, so it's not like I wouldn't have joined in that lynch if I was able to.

Tell you what I will even say please. Please claim. If you are town your role will not be a game changer and can only help Town by claiming.

I plan to claim, but I am having a hard time understanding the logic for doing it in a night phase. If I am a power role, I'm only giving mafia a good target. If I'm a vanilla townie, I'm narrowing down the list of targets that mafia has to shoot at to get a PR. And since town presumably has no more killing or blocking roles left, there's nothing that town can really do with the information. The only thing a night claim helps is the mafia.

You can't be VT because this game doens't have vt. Every one is a power role stop stalling please....

Mets, your claim dictates the order of the lynched person. You could either be lynched before or after hotshot.

Secondly there is no chance mafia use a power on you, considering the partial claim of IB and the claim of dd5. + the gifter being out there, AND the double voter.
AND 2 mafia are dead.

@mets you also have to understand, you technically have like 2 posts, with 3 day phases, and your character should be dead from a mod kill from day 1.
Specially now with mtamb being dead, and insisting we dont lynch the inactives because they will be mod killed. (ie your character)
Thats honestly kinda damning in itself.

Metsfanmax wrote:I plan to claim, but I am having a hard time understanding the logic for doing it in a night phase. If I am a power role, I'm only giving mafia a good target. If I'm a vanilla townie, I'm narrowing down the list of targets that mafia has to shoot at to get a PR. And since town presumably has no more killing or blocking roles left, there's nothing that town can really do with the information. The only thing a night claim helps is the mafia.

Replace "VT" with "weak power role" and you have my reasoning as to why I'm not claiming just because storr wants me to. It doesn't help town at all, but it could help the scum. For the same reason I have no idea why storr keeps insisting the double voter claims; if it's someone everyone thinks is town, it helps no-one except scum, and if it's someone we think is suspicious, the claim will clear them when it's needed anyway.

If storr wasn't one of the leading forces to getting 2 scum fired, I'd be seriously accusing him of role fishing right now... but I don't think even storr is crazy enough to cause 2 teammates to get fired. I wouldn't be completely surprised if he's some kind of third party who needs one specific person to get fired though, maybe he has a feud with some position... not sure why else he is so heavily rolefishing the entire game, from wanting a mass claim day 1, and continuing.

HotShot53 wrote:

Metsfanmax wrote:I plan to claim, but I am having a hard time understanding the logic for doing it in a night phase. If I am a power role, I'm only giving mafia a good target. If I'm a vanilla townie, I'm narrowing down the list of targets that mafia has to shoot at to get a PR. And since town presumably has no more killing or blocking roles left, there's nothing that town can really do with the information. The only thing a night claim helps is the mafia.

Replace "VT" with "weak power role" and you have my reasoning as to why I'm not claiming just because storr wants me to. It doesn't help town at all, but it could help the scum. For the same reason I have no idea why storr keeps insisting the double voter claims; if it's someone everyone thinks is town, it helps no-one except scum, and if it's someone we think is suspicious, the claim will clear them when it's needed anyway.

If storr wasn't one of the leading forces to getting 2 scum fired, I'd be seriously accusing him of role fishing right now... but I don't think even storr is crazy enough to cause 2 teammates to get fired. I wouldn't be completely surprised if he's some kind of third party who needs one specific person to get fired though, maybe he has a feud with some position... not sure why else he is so heavily rolefishing the entire game, from wanting a mass claim day 1, and continuing.

Yo ill explain post game why its a good idea. I have no idea wtf you or mets are, and its like 99% certain one of you is anti town / mafia.

You literally can't give me a single reason how it could help scum. Specially for mets. No matter what he claims it doesn't matter, if he is night killed for his role, thats fantastic since he is a huge question mark. Same with you hotshot.

Again hotshot, i'm confirmed town since crasp saved me. Mafia wouldn't shot me if im 3rd party, they shoot me because im town.

Again regarding claims. 1st mafia all ready can do the "best kill" possible since doc/jailer are dead. AND dd5 is claimed "spy / cop w/e the f*ck he is" and IB got blocked. (had a cop check)
So your claim doesn't matter for mafia. It matters for town to decide when you are lynched.

Gonna have some fun here. Hotshot claim or die.

LOLO AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

StorrZerg wrote:Yo ill explain post game why its a good idea. I have no idea wtf you or mets are, and its like 99% certain one of you is anti town / mafia.

You literally can't give me a single reason how it could help scum. Specially for mets. No matter what he claims it doesn't matter, if he is night killed for his role, thats fantastic since he is a huge question mark. Same with you hotshot.

Again hotshot, i'm confirmed town since crasp saved me. Mafia wouldn't shot me if im 3rd party, they shoot me because im town.

Again regarding claims. 1st mafia all ready can do the "best kill" possible since doc/jailer are dead. AND dd5 is claimed "spy / cop w/e the f*ck he is" and IB got blocked. (had a cop check)
So your claim doesn't matter for mafia. It matters for town to decide when you are lynched.

It could help scum by them knowing which of us is which, so they have their choice which role they want eliminated first. Right now, they are mostly shooting in the dark. The double-voter is still unknown, as is the inventor. If the scum wants one of them dead, they can only guess at this point.

Did the mod tell you crasp saved you? Or how did you get that information? All I've hard is you claiming it, and while that's very logical and even probable, it's not "100% proven" to everyone else. And how would the mafia know you're town rather than 3rd party? All they could know is you're non-mafia. To be honest, I don't really care whether you're 3rd party or town, since all we need to do is kill the last 1 or 2 scum to win... it just makes me more wary of claiming since you are being so insistent on it.

yo claim or trigger finger mcgeee IB gonna shoot yo

Iron Butterfly wrote:Gonna have some fun here. Hotshot claim or die.

Do you really think I am scum? I would prefer not to claim, since as I have stated it gives scum more info on whom to kill, and I don't want to be the one they pick lol. But since my guess is you can carry through with your threat if you want to, if you still insist I claim I will.

HotShot53 wrote:

StorrZerg wrote:Yo ill explain post game why its a good idea. I have no idea wtf you or mets are, and its like 99% certain one of you is anti town / mafia.

You literally can't give me a single reason how it could help scum. Specially for mets. No matter what he claims it doesn't matter, if he is night killed for his role, thats fantastic since he is a huge question mark. Same with you hotshot.

Again hotshot, i'm confirmed town since crasp saved me. Mafia wouldn't shot me if im 3rd party, they shoot me because im town.

Again regarding claims. 1st mafia all ready can do the "best kill" possible since doc/jailer are dead. AND dd5 is claimed "spy / cop w/e the f*ck he is" and IB got blocked. (had a cop check)
So your claim doesn't matter for mafia. It matters for town to decide when you are lynched.

It could help scum by them knowing which of us is which, so they have their choice which role they want eliminated first. Right now, they are mostly shooting in the dark. The double-voter is still unknown, as is the inventor. If the scum wants one of them dead, they can only guess at this point.

Did the mod tell you crasp saved you? Or how did you get that information? All I've hard is you claiming it, and while that's very logical and even probable, it's not "100% proven" to everyone else. And how would the mafia know you're town rather than 3rd party? All they could know is you're non-mafia. To be honest, I don't really care whether you're 3rd party or town, since all we need to do is kill the last 1 or 2 scum to win... it just makes me more wary of claiming since you are being so insistent on it.

THEY ARE NOT SHOOTING IN THE DARK. THEY GOT 3 OPTIONS TONIGHT, DD5 "investigative" they got "STORR WHO LYNCHED MAFIA OBVO TOWN GOT SAVED" ORR they got "IB who had a cop check and ???? looks like a vig shot"

Your not dieing, your not getting shot, your not getting blocked. You literally can't claim anything that would be stronger than storr/dd5/ib.

Lets play the pretend game hotshot, who you gifting.

StorrZerg wrote:Yo ill explain post game why its a good idea.

You're going to have to explain right now if you expect a claim out of me.

You literally can't give me a single reason how it could help scum.

We both did. If either of us are strong power roles for town, all that does is give mafia more information on who to kill tonight. That helps them. Indeed, you've offered no reason at all why it helps town to have that information tonight (as opposed to on D4).

Specially for mets. No matter what he claims it doesn't matter, if he is night killed for his role, thats fantastic since he is a huge question mark. Same with you hotshot.

If we have useful town roles and we get killed for it, that's good for town? That's a pretty big stretch, and sounds rather scummy to me.

Again hotshot, i'm confirmed town since crasp saved me.

That's absurd. How would crasp have known you were town?

Again regarding claims. 1st mafia all ready can do the "best kill" possible since doc/jailer are dead. AND dd5 is claimed "spy / cop w/e the f*ck he is" and IB got blocked. (had a cop check)
So your claim doesn't matter for mafia. It matters for town to decide when you are lynched.

So basically your stance is, "I have no good reason for forcing you to claim now, but if you don't do what I tell you to do, I'm going to make sure you get lynched on D4?"

You're going to have to explain right now if you expect a claim out of me.

Well, maybe ib pointing a gun at you will speed things up, well see.

We both did. If either of us are strong power roles for town, all that does is give mafia more information on who to kill tonight. That helps them. Indeed, you've offered no reason at all why it helps town to have that information tonight (as opposed to on D4).

I'm high on the kill list from mafia, being confirmed town (doc save) And leading lynch on 2 mafia.
Secondly, there are other roles that indicate a player is very townie. (double vote /gifter) Neither of which you can be. Thus by process of elimination, If you claim something that is so good, you dieing would be acceptable since you are a huge question mark.

Its quite simple lets look at the list of people as to how town they are.

StorrZerg (Confirmed)
IB (very townie play, cop checked Legion
Charm (townie play, was pushed on by mtamb, helps to progress game) (very likely to be double voter or gifter)
Legion (claimed 1 shot bullet proof, was cop checked) not infallible if he is godfather sure, and he has been lacking. + i tracked him, confirming he didn't do anything at night)
DD5 (claimed spy, hasn't done anything with it, but seems like a weird as cop, possibly 3rd party oriented) Very unlikely mafia, no cop counter claim looks solid. Possible role block 2 nights.

Virus (personal town read valued at this point) (possible doublte vot / gifter)


Hotshot (not double voter, not that impressive play, i think he has been wagoning on cases, and not pushing his own stuff. particularly his push on crasp sheeping virus, into pushing virus)
Mets (replaced a shitty person, not double vot or gifter )

If we have useful town roles and we get killed for it, that's good for town? That's a pretty big stretch, and sounds rather scummy to me.

Well it actually is good for town, since its likely mafia have a role block, thus who ever claims double voter is confirmed town, and gifter is likely close to confirmed as well. Its all process of elimination at this point.

That's absurd. How would crasp have known you were town?

O he didnt, which is why he was unsure if i was 3rd party, but certain i wasn't mafia. He was the doc, he saved me on the night mafia failed to make a kill.

So basically your stance is, "I have no good reason for forcing you to claim now, but if you don't do what I tell you to do, I'm going to make sure you get lynched on D4?"

I think i have good reasons, and yes if i don't live to the day, I will be posting my "will" as you have it, for what to do. I expect IB/charm + double voter / gifter to help carry out my wishes within reason.
If i don't die in the night, then ill be sure to convince the right people to make sure the questionable are lynched. We have miss lynches since we lynched 2 mafia successfully with only 2 town being dead.

OK, I'll give it a little more thought. Your arguments aren't really that convincing to me, but I also don't want to drag town down with unnecessary drama.

StorrZerg wrote:

That's absurd. How would crasp have known you were town?

O he didnt, which is why he was unsure if i was 3rd party, but certain i wasn't mafia. He was the doc, he saved me on the night mafia failed to make a kill.

You didn't make that explicit earlier. When I asked whether mafia had a second kill, you could have easily cleared it up by saying that you meant that crasp saved you on the previous night, and not on that night. Why didn't you?

You didn't make that explicit earlier. When I asked whether mafia had a second kill, you could have easily cleared it up by saying that you meant that crasp saved you on the previous night, and not on that night. Why didn't you?

crasp saved me n1. whats your point.