jusplay4fun wrote:
You, Duk, ignore that, because the US is doing (essentially) the role of "Policeman of the World" that Canadians can feel morally superior because they let "Big Brother" do the heavy lifting and some of the "dirty work."
Sorry, don't say you went and destroyed Iraq because you were doing me a favour. Saddam was a rotten asshole, to be sure, but do you really think people were worse off under Saddam, with a stable albeit dictatorial government and and a reasonably healthy economy, or were they worse off after the U.S. Army came, blew up all the country's infrastructure, killed 100,000 people and triggered a civil war that killed 500,000 more? That's just Iraq -- long list of other countries that have gotten the same treatment. If you think that's "policing", I sure hope you never come to police my neighbourhood.
jusplay4fun wrote:
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AI Overview
Estimates for the number of undocumented migrants in Canada vary, but range from 200,000 to 700,000. Some sources suggest it could be as high as 500,000. These individuals are often employed in sectors like construction, caregiving, and domestic services.
Do you want more, Duk? Do you want immigrants to vie or even take YOUR job? OR suppress wages further so you get paid LESS?
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AI Overview
In 2023, Canada welcomed 471,808 immigrants, a 7.8% increase from 2022. Immigrants now make up 23.0% of the Canadian population, the highest share in over 150 years. This rise is largely due to a record number of recent immigrants between 2016 and 2021, despite border restrictions in 2020.
And do you advocate for OPEN borders, like Biden did for the US-Mexico border, so that you can hire a gardener or more hotel workers?
A lot to unpack here. Okay, we'll take some of that on.
First, the general case.
I don't advocate for completely open borders, but for reasonable flow of migrants, yes.
We are not plants, with roots in the ground. We are animals, we have legs to move us from places lacking opportunity to seek out other places. Human history is the history of frequent migrations to new lands. We've been the dominant species on earth for over a million years. Passports and border controls have existed for maybe 150. So for probably 99.99% of our existence we've moved from place to place in search of opportunity. I understand that with the effects of the Third Agricultural Revolution, the world is now just too crowded now and some border controls are inevitable. But I don't think the current paranoid state is healthy, either.
Okay, second, the big bugaboo about immigrants "taking my job".
It's kinda funny, actually, because in another 55 days my current contract is ending and it's not being renewed. The kid they're giving my job to (a kid I hired and trained originally) is locally born-and-bred. So in my case it's going the other way. I, an immigrant, am losing my job to a born Canadian, lol. Has nothing to do with my immigration status, of course, just that the kid will work for 20K/year less, lol. Anyway, just threw that little bit of irony in there because it's a funny twist on the whole "immigrants are coming to steal your job" bromide.
Anyway, jobs are competitive. Sometimes they'll give your job to someone else. Other times inertia rules and people will hold their job forever. But in either case, rarely will the good jobs go to immigrants. Generally, immigrants get the shit jobs nobody else wants. They're cab drivers, corner store clerks on the night shift, agricultural workers, hotel cleaners. All the shit jobs you and your kids don't want.
I know a guy who owns a MacDonald's franchise. The (white) kids that work in the MacDonald's will NOT clean the toilets, even though it's in their written job description. He has to pay extra for an outside agency (staffed by Bengali women) to come in twice a day and clean the toilets, even though there's half-a-dozen white kids standing around doing nothing during the slow periods. The white kids simply have decided that cleaning toilets is beneath their middle class status and they will not do it.
That's the nature of growing up in a First World country. Right from early childhood, your parents and your teachers are telling you "make sure you study hard and get into a good university so you don't end up digging ditches for a living." So, if you don't go to a good university, or even if you do but don't end up working in your field, you know you're a loser if you have to do manual labour. People who grow up in First World countries know that a "real" job involves sitting at a desk and clicking a mouse, and anything less is considered despicable and humiliating. Whether you like them or not, you need the immigrants to do all the dirty and difficult jobs that you
really don't want to be doing.
I've seen this first hand. Years ago I used to drive truck in the agricultural industry, bringing seedlings to farms. Now, farms around here are generally owned by Dutchmen and staffed by Mexicans. But some of the farmers have too many kids and they have to give them jobs on the farms. When they do, they never mix-and-match employees. A crew is either all white or all Mexican. You'll almost never see a mixed crew. Whenever I would arrive on a farm staffed by Mexicans, I knew everything would go fine. The Mexicans would put their nose to the grindstone and work like a team and have the truck unloaded in 90 minutes. If a farm was staffed by white kids, I'd be there for six hours. When the white kids go to unload a truck, first they have to have a conference, and then they have to have a smoke break. Then one of them needs to go for a shit while the others grudgingly start to work. Then they grab a couple trees, but then their phone beeps and they have to check their Instagram, and hey, isn't it almost time for coffee break? When they come back from coffee break, it's time for another conference and another smoke break. Literally, I shit you not, the difference between a farm staffed by Mexicans and a farm staffed by white kids was the difference between 90 minutes and six hours. I think you can do the math.
I don't blame the kids. It's just the inevitable result of a First World upbringing. We are culturally trained to define success as sitting at a desk pushing buttons, and manual labour as a failure. Our societies will not function without a steady flow of immigrants to do the manual jobs.
In my case it was my great-grandfather. Every time I'd see him, he'd tell me, "make sure you study hard and finish your degree so you don't end up as a loser with a shovel in his hand." Of course, I was a fuckup, and didn't finish my degree, and became a truck driver. Now I work in highway maintenance, and even though I'm a supervisor and sit on my ass most of the time, once in a while I do have to pitch in and lift a shovel. When I do, my great-grandfather's ghost rises up in front of me and says, "Look at you, you pathetic fucking loser! You didn't finish your degree, and here you are with with a shovel in your hand, just like a proletarian piece of shit." So I understand why the white kids unloading my truck have to have a smoke break. They're dealing with the humiliation of working on a farm instead of sitting in an office pushing buttons.
Yeah, you wouldn't eat if it wasn't for the immigrants.
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