Conquer Club

saxitoxin wrote:

U.S. Government has determined that all NASA contacts with Russian Government representatives are suspended, unless the activity has been specifically excepted. At the present time ... operational International Space Station activities have been excepted.

IOW, the U.S. has no ability anymore to launch manned space missions so they can't really break ties with Russia since U.S. astronauts ride Russian rockets. So they've puffed their chests up and banned people sending emails! This is as empty and stupid as the threats I was making in Game 13937407 when I controlled one territory. Russia should call this bluff and break ties with NASA ... including ISS access.

mrswdk wrote:All countries should just agree to not have any armies or weapons. Fighting is what pussyhole cavemen do, not humans of this C21 we call home. Lay down the weapons and find peace. This is how humanity will progress.

Qwert wrote:

juan botom
I think you need to tell me why I'm wrong to compare Russia's actions in the last 20 years to Germany's actions leading up to WWII. Just because you don't like the parallel that I've drawn for you does not mean that it is without merit. European history is frighteningly repetitious. Every few years there's some asshole just nibbling away at his neighbors until he sparks a huge war.

and why you use NAzi Germany to compare with Russia,, why not compare US and Russia?

All wars after WWII are responibile two power-US and Russia,, so help me to build objective picture.

Lets try to both be objective and not hold any side.

brake of international law(after 1945)(no approval of UN)

US
1965-Ocupation of Dominican Republic
1956-Vietnam War
1961-Cuba attack
1964-laos bombardment
1983-Granada Invasion
1986-bombing of libya
1989-Panama Invasion
1992-Iraq no fly zone
1998-Bombing of Afghanistan and Sudan
1999-SR Yugoslavia bombardment
2001-Ocupation of Afghanistan
2003-Ocupation of Iraq
2011-LIbya bombardment (violation of Un resolution 1973)
2014-drone Campaign in PAkistan and Yemen


SSSR
1956-Hungary
1968-CSSR invasion
1979-Afghanistan occupation

Russia
2008-Georgia
2014-Ukraine

according on this US lead 14-5 against USSR/Russia in brake of international law. If i miss something please help to fill a list.

GoranZ wrote:

mrswdk wrote:All countries should just agree to not have any armies or weapons. Fighting is what pussyhole cavemen do, not humans of this C21 we call home. Lay down the weapons and find peace. This is how humanity will progress.

+1 million

sax give her money a lot

mrswdk wrote:All countries should just agree to not have any armies or weapons. Fighting is what pussyhole cavemen do, not humans of this C21 we call home. Lay down the weapons and find peace. This is how humanity will progress.

jefjef wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:It is hilarious. The U.S. has started 4 wars in the last 10 years

I literally LOL'ed at this dribble. The US hasn't started a war since the 1800's. All other military actions have been necessary against various trash on this planet. You know that.

BigBallinStalin wrote:

mrswdk wrote:All countries should just agree to not have any armies or weapons. Fighting is what pussyhole cavemen do, not humans of this C21 we call home. Lay down the weapons and find peace. This is how humanity will progress.

The more countries that adopt passivism, the more rewarding it is for others to be more aggressive. You'd get to be the bully of the block--with no competition.

mrswdk wrote:Not if everyone is pacifist. Then there is no bully, just friends

AndyDufresne wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:

mrswdk wrote:All countries should just agree to not have any armies or weapons. Fighting is what pussyhole cavemen do, not humans of this C21 we call home. Lay down the weapons and find peace. This is how humanity will progress.

The more countries that adopt passivism, the more rewarding it is for others to be more aggressive. You'd get to be the bully of the block--with no competition.

The real answer is a unified earth government, a la Star Trek. And replicators. I was just thinking about matter replicators earlier. I had a hankering for some food that takes a long time to make.


--Andy

AndyDufresne wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:

mrswdk wrote:All countries should just agree to not have any armies or weapons. Fighting is what pussyhole cavemen do, not humans of this C21 we call home. Lay down the weapons and find peace. This is how humanity will progress.

The more countries that adopt passivism, the more rewarding it is for others to be more aggressive. You'd get to be the bully of the block--with no competition.

The real answer is a unified earth government, a la Star Trek. And replicators. I was just thinking about matter replicators earlier. I had a hankering for some food that takes a long time to make.


--Andy

BigBallinStalin wrote:

mrswdk wrote:Not if everyone is pacifist. Then there is no bully, just friends

Ha, well, that's a big IF. You still gotta think about people's incentives and the greater payoff for being the only aggressive player.

Peace among all might not be sustainable.

jefjef wrote:We sold weapons to both sides in WWII? By both sides you mean UK and RUSSIA. Right? I don't remember any tanks and ships for Hitler programs..

AndyDufresne wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:

mrswdk wrote:All countries should just agree to not have any armies or weapons. Fighting is what pussyhole cavemen do, not humans of this C21 we call home. Lay down the weapons and find peace. This is how humanity will progress.

The more countries that adopt passivism, the more rewarding it is for others to be more aggressive. You'd get to be the bully of the block--with no competition.

The real answer is a unified earth government, a la Star Trek. And replicators. I was just thinking about matter replicators earlier. I had a hankering for some food that takes a long time to make.

GoranZ wrote:

jefjef wrote:We sold weapons to both sides in WWII? By both sides you mean UK and RUSSIA. Right? I don't remember any tanks and ships for Hitler programs..

Maybe not tanks, since German ones were more advance at that time but there was huge military trade between prewar Nazi Germany and US
Example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_during_World_War_II

AndyDufresne wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:

mrswdk wrote:All countries should just agree to not have any armies or weapons. Fighting is what pussyhole cavemen do, not humans of this C21 we call home. Lay down the weapons and find peace. This is how humanity will progress.

The more countries that adopt passivism, the more rewarding it is for others to be more aggressive. You'd get to be the bully of the block--with no competition.

The real answer is a unified earth government, a la Star Trek. And replicators. I was just thinking about matter replicators earlier. I had a hankering for some food that takes a long time to make.

3D printers should be grandfathers of Star Trek replicators. United nations should be the unified government that you are talking about. But its powers are not appropriate now.

GoranZ wrote:

jefjef wrote:We sold weapons to both sides in WWII? By both sides you mean UK and RUSSIA. Right? I don't remember any tanks and ships for Hitler programs..

Maybe not tanks, since German ones were more advance at that time but there was huge military trade between prewar Nazi Germany and US
Example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_during_World_War_II

jefjef wrote:

GoranZ wrote:

jefjef wrote:We sold weapons to both sides in WWII? By both sides you mean UK and RUSSIA. Right? I don't remember any tanks and ships for Hitler programs..

Maybe not tanks, since German ones were more advance at that time but there was huge military trade between prewar Nazi Germany and US
Example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_during_World_War_II

Wow. You use this and claim a huge military trade. Did you even read it?

It's about a German subsidiary of IBM that was taken by the Nazi's and used 1930's technology for punch cards..

Fail.

BigBallinStalin wrote:Did Star Trek have a lot of blacks? Maybe their unified world government work because they simply homogenized the world population or severely marginalized ethnic minorities. Could Star Trek have been an homage to genocide? All I see are white people on your gifs, Andy. Are you White Government supporter?

GoranZ wrote:Nope... I only know that Nazis were using the technology to facilitate Nazi genocide. And that is over 10% of the total casualties

The Bison King wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:Did Star Trek have a lot of blacks? Maybe their unified world government work because they simply homogenized the world population or severely marginalized ethnic minorities. Could Star Trek have been an homage to genocide? All I see are white people on your gifs, Andy. Are you White Government supporter?

Didn't the original Star Trek have the first bi-racial kiss on television? Could be wrong about that...

Jmac1026 wrote:

The Bison King wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:Did Star Trek have a lot of blacks? Maybe their unified world government work because they simply homogenized the world population or severely marginalized ethnic minorities. Could Star Trek have been an homage to genocide? All I see are white people on your gifs, Andy. Are you White Government supporter?

Didn't the original Star Trek have the first bi-racial kiss on television? Could be wrong about that...

Yes. The executives wanted Shatner to just hug her or kiss her on the cheek (can't remember which), but he full on kissed her and then refused to do any more shoots.

The Bison King wrote:

Jmac1026 wrote:

The Bison King wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:Did Star Trek have a lot of blacks? Maybe their unified world government work because they simply homogenized the world population or severely marginalized ethnic minorities. Could Star Trek have been an homage to genocide? All I see are white people on your gifs, Andy. Are you White Government supporter?

Didn't the original Star Trek have the first bi-racial kiss on television? Could be wrong about that...

Yes. The executives wanted Shatner to just hug her or kiss her on the cheek (can't remember which), but he full on kissed her and then refused to do any more shoots.

Whoa really? I didn't know that part of the story. That sincerely raises my level of respect for William Shatner.