Rail Europe [Quenched]

[BENJIKAT IS DEAD]

My apologies for only posting this after quenching, but I didn't fully realise the implication of the "no connection across stations" until I rolled over the map with BOB map inspect. ( I sound like a stuck record in my recent posts - but can we have a playtest area PLEASE )

I think that some of the bonuses are a little off:

- Vilnius in particular is +2 for only 3 territories and just 1 border (don't let the fact it "touches" a number of other lines fool you)- I think +1 would be fairer.
- Baltic is +3 for 3 territories and 2 borders - I say +2
- Iberia is 7 territories and 2 borders, but just +2 - I say +3 would be fairer (Scan rail is also 7 territories and 2 borders and is already +3)
- an argument can also be made to make Ukraine Rail +3 too (6 territories and 2 borders, currently +2)


- all the other bonuses are very very hard to hold (especially those competing for shared territories) - and could be pushed a fair bit higher IMO (but in most games they will only come to play in the late game anyway, where there is either a clear leader or a stalemate).

[fireedud]

One thing I've noticed on this map is that when you start leading the game, the bonuses just keep escalating. I felt I was in an AOR game with the armies raising that fast

[TaCktiX]

This is a small nitpick, but the army count for the top G station of MLO is one pixel too high.

[demonfork]

Paris D does not work with clickable maps. I had to use the drop down menu to attack from that position.

[cairnswk]

Paris D does not work with clickable maps. I had to use the drop down menu to attack from that position.

Demonfork, i guess you have to see whoever looks after the clickable add-on for that one.

[fumandomuerte]

Mmm there are discrepancies between bonuses as [player]BENJIKAT IS DEAD[/player] pointed months ago. Baltic express has 3 territories, only 2 of them in the border and it can be attacked only from 2 outside stations. It should give a +1 or +2 bonus, not a +3, that's even more than oceania in classic risk!
The other mentioned case is, again, Rail Iberia. 7 territories, 2 borders, 2 foes... It should give a +3 bonus...
Ukraine Rail +2 bonus is OK, but a +3 bonus could work too. It's hard to conquer a 6 territories bonus to only get a +2.
Vilnius Express: 3 territories, 1 border, 1 foe... That sounds like a +1 bonus to me

[cairnswk]

Mmm there are discrepancies between bonuses as [player]BENJIKAT IS DEAD[/player] pointed months ago. Baltic express has 3 territories, only 2 of them in the border and it can be attacked only from 2 outside stations. It should give a +1 or +2 bonus, not a +3, that's even more than oceania in classic risk!
The other mentioned case is, again, Rail Iberia. 7 territories, 2 borders, 2 foes... It should give a +3 bonus...
Ukraine Rail +2 bonus is OK, but a +3 bonus could work too. It's hard to conquer a 6 territories bonus to only get a +2.
Vilnius Express: 3 territories, 1 border, 1 foe... That sounds like a +1 bonus to me

I won't change the bonuses on the say of one or two persons. You know that.
Get other lots of support to have this change and it has a fiar chance of happening.

[fumandomuerte]

I won't change the bonuses on the say of one or two persons. You know that.
Get other lots of support to have this change and it has a fiar chance of happening.

I'll start my campaign then

[abel]

I won't change the bonuses on the say of one or two persons. You know that.
Get other lots of support to have this change and it has a fiar chance of happening.

I'll start my campaign then

I have to agree about the Baltic Express. I sometimes think this game should be called Baltic and Vilnius Express for the WIn. While Baltic Express has been good to me in my games, it all depends on the drop so I wouldn't mind a change..

[Industrial Helix]

I'm in favor of leaving it as it is. I mean, yeah, the bonuses are a tad unfair but that's part of the game.

[nikola_milicki]

I believe 3 armies is too much for M bonus, sorry I dunno if this was discussed somewhere already.

anyway, 3 armies for 3 land bonus with 2 borders way to much, noticed this in my games, I always tried to grab it and it was always a huge advantage for my team once we got it, and ofc it sucks when other teams gets better drop up there

[thenobodies80]

[Merged] with the Rail Europe Map Topic

[nikola_milicki]

can somebody plz explain why is M bonus +3? bcuz it has 2 borders and N and A have only 1? kinda makes P +2 with twice as many lands and also 2 borders ridiculous?

[benga]

can somebody plz explain why is M bonus +3? bcuz it has 2 borders and N and A have only 1? kinda makes P +2 with twice as many lands and also 2 borders ridiculous?

LOL was just thinking the same thing, B bonus can be broken much easier and it's also +3

[cairnswk]

Guys, i'll have another look at all the bonuses on this map again over Christmas.

[koontz1973]

cairnswk, I would rather you did not. Whilst it is not played by me a lot, it is one of the funny maps that is not perfectly balanced and bland. I like the fact we have some maps like this. Just my thoughts on this issue.

[cairnswk]

cairnswk, I would rather you did not. Whilst it is not played by me a lot, it is one of the funny maps that is not perfectly balanced and bland. I like the fact we have some maps like this. Just my thoughts on this issue.

Thanks koontz for that vp.

[JBlombier]

Rail Europe is my all time favorite map. And as much as I've always enjoyed the M-bonus against people who didn't see the value of it, I can't say it's very balanced. Because there a lot of bonuses, I think it wouldn't harm the map to make the M-bonus worth 2 troops, instead of 3.

I'm a big fan of the map as it is, so I don't really care if it's changed, but I thougt I might add to the conversation that it's indeed an unfair bonus.

[cairnswk]

Thanks for your comments JBlombier

Are these rail lines any better??



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[isaiah40]

I believe they are! Good job cairns!

[cairnswk]

I believe they are! Good job cairns!

Thank-you isaish40
I test them with the xml and make sure nothing else has moved before asking for upload

[ManBungalow]

I like it.

[cairnswk]

I like it.

Thank MB

[cairnswk]

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[codierose]

NO no no no no no leave alone why mess a map up for some one whos only played it 5 times bloody hell how many years has this map been here. hell whilst your at it lets go and change all the other maps that have been quenched