Conquer Club

Seems everyone now has a decent view of the entire picture.

aage wrote:Well, then I'm so terribly sorry that I'm not playing this game from your perspective, then.

Seriously.... wtf...

HeHe, that post actually made me laugh

I understand what you are saying. What I am trying to say, is that I was hoping to have a nice, even "exciting" piece of information based on your investigation, and just got back something I already knew, so it was disappointing. Maybe it was enlightening and exciting from your perspective, and disappointing and in vain, from mine. Just sharing.


I believe Fircoal about his doctor claim.

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I am befuddled about the lack of kills. While i'm happy about it, its true that Xuereb's inactivity is not entirely an accuse, and its not likely that Fir is saving all of the targets, since he admitted missing his action some nights.

Vote Xuereb

If Xuereb turns out to be scum and the game still continues, I'm looking at Drew Dude next.
If Xuereb does not turn out to be scum, and the game continues, I'm looking at Drew Dude next.

Best scenario, we get Xuereb and game ends.

EDBWOP

Ack, as a teacher, my english should be waaayyy better than that.

Should be excuse, not accuse. Gosh.

VioIet wrote:

aage wrote:Well, then I'm so terribly sorry that I'm not playing this game from your perspective, then.

Seriously.... wtf...

HeHe, that post actually made me laugh

I understand what you are saying. What I am trying to say, is that I was hoping to have a nice, even "exciting" piece of information based on your investigation, and just got back something I already knew, so it was disappointing. Maybe it was enlightening and exciting from your perspective, and disappointing and in vain, from mine. Just sharing.


I believe Fircoal about his doctor claim.

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I am befuddled about the lack of kills. While i'm happy about it, its true that Xuereb's inactivity is not entirely an accuse, and its not likely that Fir is saving all of the targets, since he admitted missing his action some nights.

Vote Xuereb

If Xuereb turns out to be scum and the game still continues, I'm looking at Drew Dude next.
If Xuereb does not turn out to be scum, and the game continues, I'm looking at Drew Dude next.

Best scenario, we get Xuereb and game ends.

I have come to the same conclusion, but I wonder who we should get first. We killed a poisoner, we killed a roleblocker. There is only one more guy we need to find, and that really is the godfather.

No offence but a restaurant manager really sounds very much like the "godfather position" to me. There may also be no GF at all and we need to kill Xuereb or Drew today, but I'm just saying.

I don't really see why there wouldn't be a GF seeing the roles so far, or why a GF would appear 3rd party (quite a disadvantage) not mentionning he first made the case against Victor. Besides being the owner and having an useful role it kinda made sense to me that the manager wouldn't be as useful.
Anyway I hope we will end it today but if not investigations won't do much. Btw you didn't answer me Aage on whether you were part of the staff or not, don't want to waste my action...

ga7 wrote:I don't really see why there wouldn't be a GF seeing the roles so far, or why a GF would appear 3rd party (quite a disadvantage) not mentionning he first made the case against Victor. Besides being the owner and having an useful role it kinda made sense to me that the manager wouldn't be as useful.
Anyway I hope we will end it today but if not investigations won't do much. Btw you didn't answer me Aage on whether you were part of the staff or not, don't want to waste my action...

Oh, no, I'm not part of the staff.

Well, I had been hoping to softclaim my way to the end so that I wouldn't be targeted by scum, but I guess vio would rather throw me out to the wolves.

I am the head chef. Ironically, I told you all this on the third page.

Mr. Squirrel wrote:From this point forward I declare myself as head chef! You will all obey me and do whatever I say. The first order of business is to make meat pies, "sweeney todd style" out of Victor.

I send / the name of a player during the day to send a meal to. That player receives JOAT powers at night. I gave vio the meal day 1, forgot to send one day 2 , sent fircoal some cupcakes day 3, some sushi to ga7 day 4, and then I sent vio another meal today (Duck in rose petal sauce ).

Sounds reasonable enough for Fir's claim. Gotta go with the last piece of the puzzle then.

unvote vote xuereb

Should be the end of the game.

Mr. Squirrel wrote:Well, I had been hoping to softclaim my way to the end so that I wouldn't be targeted by scum, but I guess vio would rather throw me out to the wolves.

I send / the name of a player during the day to send a meal to. That player receives JOAT powers at night. I gave vio the meal day 1, forgot to send one day 2 , sent fircoal some cupcakes day 3, some sushi to ga7 day 4, and then I sent vio another meal today (Duck in rose petal sauce ).

Whatever do you mean, I did no such thing? If anything, I defended and supported you.

And duck sounds good. Much better than that yuck stuff you sent me night 1. Can't wait to eat it.

Lot's of stuff coming out now. I am not entirely sure that I believe Fircoal's claim at this point. The whole being some random doctor who hangs out at the restaurant smells a little funny to me. Ga7's claim seemed a little too perfect at first. What with his power having only been used successfully on the one person who had already claimed to have gad their action doubled one night, and with it being a day action so that it can't be tracked or watched. However, him theorizing that it the reason it didn't work on aage being that aage wasn't a staff member and then aage confirming that he was not a staff member, when ga7 presumably couldn't have know if aage was or wasn't for sure, mitigates the doubts about it.
So at this point, it looks like we need / to decide if he will modkill xuereb or if he makes us use our lynch to kill him.

Mr. Squirrel wrote:I send / the name of a player during the day to send a meal to. That player receives JOAT powers at night. I gave vio the meal day 1, forgot to send one day 2 , sent fircoal some cupcakes day 3, some sushi to ga7 day 4, and then I sent vio another meal today (Duck in rose petal sauce ).

I think I remember getting one but I didn't do jack with it >< *fails*

Looking back at the early days of the thread, some things look interesting in hindsight.

Victor Sullivan wrote:That doesn't convince me your town-aligned, though, herk. Aren't roleblockers statistically mafia-aligned?

Coming from the actual mafia role-blocker.
Squirrel being the head chef while herkman was an aspiring cook sheds some interesting light on this.

theherkman wrote:This is why you all should have voted Mr. Squirrel. I know for a fact he is mafia because of my role PM... Should have listened...

It seems like there is the outside possibility that Squirrel was identified as the head chef in herkman's role pm. Being that his character apparently wanted to replace him. It could have even implied the Squirrel was scum. Probably incorrectly being delusional and all. Of course the is no way to know for sure that herkman didn't just pull it out of his ass being pissed and all, but it does seem like an interesting, albeit useless, connection.

All right, I went through and mapped out all the actions. There don't appear to be any obvious contradictions. So at the very least any fake claims were constructed well enough to not fall into that trap.
Day 1:
Mr. Squirrel (chef) Send food to Violet.
ga7 (owner) Take no action.
Night 1:
spiesr (watcher) Watch Mr. Squirrel. Nobody visited.
Fircoal (doctor) Protect ga7.
aage (cop) Investigate ga7. Town
Violet (tracker) Used food to investigate spiesr. Town (Did this prevent you from using your tracker powers that night?)
DrewDude (double voter) No Power
Haggis_McMutton (survivor) No Power
safariguy5 ???
Day 2:
Mr. Squirrel Take no action.
ga7 Motivate spiesr.
Night 2:
spiesr Watch ga7, Victor visited. Also watch DrewDude, nobody visited.
Fircoal Take no action.
aage Investigate safariguy5, Town.
Violet Track Haggis_McMutton, went nowhere.
DrewDude No Power
Haggis_McMutton No Power
safariguy5 ???
Also the scum killed jeraado.
Day 3:
Mr. Squirrel Send food to Fircoal.
ga7 Take no action.
Night 3:
Violet Track Mr. Squirrel, went nowhere.
spiesr Watch Fircoal, nobody visited.
Fircoal Take no action.
aage Investigate Haggis_McMutton, Third Party.
DrewDude No Power
Haggis_McMutton No Power
safariguy5 ???
Day 4:
Mr. Squirrel Send food to ga7.
ga7 Motivate aage. (Appears to have failed due to aage not being part of the staff.)
Night 4:
ga7 Use food to protect spiesr.
Fircoal Protect ga7.
spiesr Watch aage, nobody visited.
aage Investigate Violet, Town.
Violet Track Fircoal, went to ga7.
DrewDude No Power
Haggis_McMutton No Power
safariguy5 ???

We have zero data on xuereb so he isn't even listed. / needs to let us know if he will kill him or if we have to do it ourselves.
Looking back over this, Victor presumably blocking ga7 night 2 seems to indicate that ga7 is not a mafia godfather, as I can't think of a reason why a mafia role-blocker would target a teammate. And, while Fircoal made his claim after Violet revealed that she saw him go to ga7 night 4 so he would know to include that when he claimed, the fact that ga7 was not killed by this action seems to indicate that Fircoal is innocent.

Thank you for that analysis spiers. I know that took some time. I wonder why saf is so quiet about his role. I guess he figures there is no need for scum to know what he can or cannot do.

To answers spiers question, I lost my tracking ability on Night 1, one i chose to eat the food. I could either eat the food and gain one of the four new abilities (my choice), or I could ignore the food, and keep my normal tracking abilities. I couldn't pass up an opportunity to investigate to I chose to eat yucky. Still mad that Fir got delicious cupcakes that he didn't even eat, and I got yuck. But I anticipate that delicious duck.

I think simply- by logic of deduction- Drew is probably our godfather. The mod wouldn't kill Xuereb if he was the godfather.

VioIet wrote: I couldn't pass up an opportunity to investigate to I chose to eat yucky. Still mad that Fir got delicious cupcakes that he didn't even eat, and I got yuck.

You need to expand your food horizons. All my meals are delicious

If you really want to know my role, I'm a businessman diner. I'm really busy with my work, so I'm a town commuter. Of course, I can't use my role consecutive nights, so all the odd nights I've been using the ability. It's nothing special and I guess aage got lucky investigating me on a night where I couldn't use my ability.

My horizons are plenty expanded. Your cooking on Day 1, was off. Even the best chefs have off nights

I remember reading about the commuter role before on Mafia Wiki. First time seeing it in a game. Awesome.

A vote count would be lovely.

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xuereb, 5 votes: Fircoal ga7 VioIet safari Mr. Squirrel

but with more pro-kill than not, he is already deaaad
Xuereb town sous chef has been modkilled, death scene will wait until you lynch someone else.

continue on, 5 to lynch now with 9 alive

Okay, since xuereb has been modkilled- and it is now confirmed that he was a townie.

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Vote DrewDude

Yes VioIet, that seems best.
vote Drew.

I would like a claim tho.

safariguy5 wrote:If you really want to know my role, I'm a businessman diner. I'm really busy with my work, so I'm a town commuter. Of course, I can't use my role consecutive nights, so all the odd nights I've been using the ability. It's nothing special and I guess aage got lucky investigating me on a night where I couldn't use my ability.

While the role fits well I am honestly suspicious due to the easy claimablity of the role. I'm also suspicious of safari due to this post:

safariguy5 wrote:Sounds reasonable enough for Fir's claim. Gotta go with the last piece of the puzzle then.

unvote vote xuereb

Should be the end of the game.

I'm mainly suspicious at the should be end of the game. I mean we all thought that it was more like that inactive was scum but I don't think anyone went so far as to know that it was true (Which it wasn't.) I think Safari was kinda trying to cover up his godfather role by putting in this town like statement. Anyone convinced? No? thought so xwx (I think this is one of those pmc style hunches. Now where is that scummeh? D<)

aage wrote:vote Drew.
I would like a claim tho.

For what it is worth, he essentially claimed double voter on day 2. He demonstrated that ability on that day, but I don't think we have seen it since. A mafia double voter is a possibility, but it seemed unlikely at the time.

Fircoal wrote:

safariguy5 wrote:If you really want to know my role, I'm a businessman diner. I'm really busy with my work, so I'm a town commuter. Of course, I can't use my role consecutive nights, so all the odd nights I've been using the ability. It's nothing special and I guess aage got lucky investigating me on a night where I couldn't use my ability.

While the role fits well I am honestly suspicious due to the easy claimablity of the role. I'm also suspicious of safari due to this post:

safariguy5 wrote:Sounds reasonable enough for Fir's claim. Gotta go with the last piece of the puzzle then.
unvote vote xuereb
Should be the end of the game.

I'm mainly suspicious at the should be end of the game. I mean we all thought that it was more like that inactive was scum but I don't think anyone went so far as to know that it was true (Which it wasn't.) I think Safari was kinda trying to cover up his godfather role by putting in this town like statement. Anyone convinced? No? thought so xwx (I think this is one of those pmc style hunches. Now where is that scummeh? D<)

Safariguy also appears somewhat suspicious as a possible godfather candidate to me. I don't really see how him stating that he thinks the game will end upon xuereb's death is scummy though. In theory we could engineer some sort of test of his claimed ability to commute tonight, but that would required using up an investigation. Although if Violet picks one up from the food then we would have two so it could be worth considering?

Actually i kind of agree about safari. I don't really like that claim of his.

However, first i'd like Drew to give us his role flavour.

spiesr wrote:

aage wrote:vote Drew.
I would like a claim tho.

For what it is worth, he essentially claimed double voter on day 2. He demonstrated that ability on that day, but I don't think we have seen it since. A mafia double voter is a possibility, but it seemed unlikely at the time.

Fircoal wrote:

safariguy5 wrote:If you really want to know my role, I'm a businessman diner. I'm really busy with my work, so I'm a town commuter. Of course, I can't use my role consecutive nights, so all the odd nights I've been using the ability. It's nothing special and I guess aage got lucky investigating me on a night where I couldn't use my ability.

While the role fits well I am honestly suspicious due to the easy claimablity of the role. I'm also suspicious of safari due to this post:

safariguy5 wrote:Sounds reasonable enough for Fir's claim. Gotta go with the last piece of the puzzle then.
unvote vote xuereb
Should be the end of the game.

I'm mainly suspicious at the should be end of the game. I mean we all thought that it was more like that inactive was scum but I don't think anyone went so far as to know that it was true (Which it wasn't.) I think Safari was kinda trying to cover up his godfather role by putting in this town like statement. Anyone convinced? No? thought so xwx (I think this is one of those pmc style hunches. Now where is that scummeh? D<)

Safariguy also appears somewhat suspicious as a possible godfather candidate to me. I don't really see how him stating that he thinks the game will end upon xuereb's death is scummy though. In theory we could engineer some sort of test of his claimed ability to commute tonight, but that would required using up an investigation. Although if Violet picks one up from the food then we would have two so it could be worth considering?

I don't know, it just stuck out to me. I mean it's like if you know it's not going to be over because you're scum, you kinda want to make note that you think it'll be over so that when it's not it looks like you thought it would be over so you're not in the know. Really this could all just be a big WIFOM but with Safari's manipulative claim it makes quite an impression.