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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:14 pm
by Dancing Mustard
You say you have, but all you've done is post links to videos nobody has watched.
You want to disprove Backglass:
1. Get some still images
2. Post them here
3. Explain what it is you think they prove
It's that simple! That's all you have to do to prove that you're not just a troll. Until then people are just going to keep laughing at you and your crackpot little theories.
If you've got evidence, then you'll be able to post it. Just like everybody else.
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:18 pm
by Backglass
The first responders (Fire/Ambulance/Etc) were on the scene within 5 minutes. Can anyone explain to me how you plant thousands of pounds of evidence in 5 minutes without anyone seeing you come or go?
Please take off your tin foil hat & try.
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:26 pm
by xtratabasco
Backglass wrote:The first responders (Fire/Ambulance/Etc) were on the scene within 5 minutes. Can anyone explain to me how you plant thousands of pounds of evidence in 5 minutes without anyone seeing you come or go?
Please take off your tin foil hat & try.
go take "your proof" and get you 1 million dollars
to us here and on the poll "your proof" dont cut it and has been debunked.
and where are the other 7 wheels? lol
Ive debunked every picture you guys have posted.
http://www.realnews247.com/911_pentagon ... e_part.htm
http://www.utopiax.org/aa77.html
http://www.utopiax.org/911/pentagon01.jpg
Lets look at that 3rd picture is here at 31:40- 36:00
on this video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... eptions%22
Then there is this
Compare your pics to the ones here between
19:40-
on this video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... eptions%22
Here is some pics of debris at 36:39
on this video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... eptions%22
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:01 am
by Oblomov
I can’t believe that I just read this whole thread…
I even skimmed through the videos.
I don’t think we’ve seen anything which would indicate that anything other than a commercial aircraft struck the Pentagon.
But I do think that we have been given some insight into how religions can form. In our modern world, though, blind faith and dogma no longer need to bind themselves to the supernatural in order to take hold; conspiracy theories have supplanted magic as the preferred vehicle of the virulent memeplex.
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:53 am
by Backglass
Oblomov wrote:But I do think that we have been given some insight into how religions can form. In our modern world, though, blind faith and dogma no longer need to bind themselves to the supernatural in order to take hold; conspiracy theories have supplanted magic as the preferred vehicle of the virulent memeplex.
Absolutely spot on.
...and nice to see you posting Ob.
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:42 am
by DaGip
Oblomov wrote:I can’t believe that I just read this whole thread…
I even skimmed through the videos.
I don’t think we’ve seen anything which would indicate that anything other than a commercial aircraft struck the Pentagon.
But I do think that we have been given some insight into how religions can form. In our modern world, though, blind faith and dogma no longer need to bind themselves to the supernatural in order to take hold; conspiracy theories have supplanted magic as the preferred vehicle of the virulent memeplex.
The official flight path is in question, that is for certain. If you have the time, watch these vids:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon.html
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... &plindex=0
http://thepentacon.com/googlesmokinggun.htm
Note: That the PentaCon site and the Pilots For 9/11 Truth were two separate entities and each did their own independant investigations into the flight path of Flight 77. The flight animation is the information received from the black box of flight 77 from the NSTB.
You may want to zoom in to about 200% on your screen to watch the video from the PentCon site.
Of course, these vids do not in anyway disprove that a 757 ran into the Pentagon, all the witnesses are going to say that they saw some type of aircraft and are believing it was flight 77. But the flight paths suggests that something strange happened and it does not click with the official flight path the government is giving us. Witnesses say they are 100% sure and would bet their lives on it, that the airplane came from the North of the Citgo gas station and not the South as the government is trying to say. Two of the witnesses are Pentagon Police Officers. If the government has nothing to hide, then
why is there two flight paths and not just one? In my opinion, if things happened the way the government says, then there should only be one flight path and one conclusion...but there isn't. So red flags are raised.
And as far as blind faith, I think I am fairly rational. The blind faith seems to be with those that buy the whole government theory of events.
Very nice, well thought out philosophical words...and you may be right. We may be looking at a new establishment in religion. I for one haven't joined one side or the other, but have confined myself to the observer, as many Americans are doing. But to listen to both sides of the arguement is far from being deemed as
blind faith. Any jury must weigh in on evidence given...if that is
blind faith, then I am guilty.
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:13 pm
by xtratabasco
tisk tisk
little backglass wont respond to DaGip nor will his little "tag-a-long" dancing turd.
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:23 pm
by Backglass
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:38 pm
by Snorri1234
Actually, I find myself agreeing with Dagip on a number of things.
But if you read closely, xtra, you see that he isn't actually making the same claims as you are.
To illustrate:
DaGip wrote:Hm, I'm not sure if the governments story is totally true. I think there are some that the government isn't telling us, but I don't believe a missile hit the pentagon or that the Twin Towers were brought down by controlled demolition.
Notice a difference there?
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:17 pm
by Frigidus
xtratabasco wrote:and where are the other 7 wheels? lol
I don't think that when the plane hit the pentagon photographers were thinking "We'd better get a picture of every wheel. You never know what conspiracy theories might crop up later on." Besides, if the government really was responsible for the attack they'd definitely have made it as realistic as possible. They would, in fact, fly a plane into the pentagon. If they're such evil masterminds wouldn't they want to make it realistic as possible. It's not proof, but there would be no logical explanation for not making it more realistic.
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:25 pm
by unriggable
Hey xtra, I'll give you a year of premium if you can prove your point without a video link.
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:55 pm
by xtratabasco
Frigidus wrote:xtratabasco wrote:and where are the other 7 wheels? lol
I don't think that when the plane hit the pentagon photographers were thinking "We'd better get a picture of every wheel.quote]
are you a moron?
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:58 pm
by unriggable
xtratabasco wrote:Frigidus wrote:xtratabasco wrote:and where are the other 7 wheels? lol
I don't think that when the plane hit the pentagon photographers were thinking "We'd better get a picture of every wheel.quote]
are you a moron?
Think through your statements before saying them. At the time, the big thing was the fact that 3,000 americans just died and Osama took the credit in many ways. They weren't trying to reconstruct the crash.
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:06 pm
by xtratabasco
unriggable wrote:xtratabasco wrote:Frigidus wrote:xtratabasco wrote:and where are the other 7 wheels? lol
I don't think that when the plane hit the pentagon photographers were thinking "We'd better get a picture of every wheel.quote]
are you a moron?
Think through your statements before saying them. At the time, the big thing was the fact that 3,000 americans just died and Osama took the credit in many ways. They weren't trying to reconstruct the crash.
look, the wheels and egines and wings, and tires, and seats, and luggage and landing gear and glass, and steel shell dont vaporize.
now go get me my pictures of the 757 that hit the pentagon.
If you say you have 1 wheel then go find the other 7.
dont come back until you do.
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:56 pm
by Frigidus
xtratabasco wrote:unriggable wrote:xtratabasco wrote:Frigidus wrote:xtratabasco wrote:and where are the other 7 wheels? lol
I don't think that when the plane hit the pentagon photographers were thinking "We'd better get a picture of every wheel.quote]
are you a moron?
Think through your statements before saying them. At the time, the big thing was the fact that 3,000 americans just died and Osama took the credit in many ways. They weren't trying to reconstruct the crash.
look, the wheels and egines and wings, and tires, and seats, and luggage and landing gear and glass, and steel shell dont vaporize.
now go get me my pictures of the 757 that hit the pentagon.
If you say you have 1 wheel then go find the other 7.
dont come back until you do.
Are you a moron? Well, despite photographers not taking pictures of all 8 wheels for documentation purposes, I guess I'll just stroll on down to Washington D.C. and take the pictures myself...oh, wait, they cleaned it up. Wow, this is amazing. OK guys, the government cleaned up the Pentagon after it got hit, they cleaned up all the evidence! They must have done it, why else would they have hidden away all the proof! I declare myself a born-again lunatic.
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:00 pm
by Frigidus
xtratabasco wrote:look, the wheels and egines and wings, and tires, and seats, and luggage and landing gear and glass, and steel shell dont vaporize.
now go get me my pictures of the 757 that hit the pentagon.
If you say you have 1 wheel then go find the other 7.
dont come back until you do.
Oh my god guys, you won't believe this. They never found Hitler's body! The government helped him escape because they set up the Holocaust to improve America's political standing enough so that 60 years later they could stage an attack on themselves so that they could make a little pocket change by invading some country with an abundance in a particular natural resource without getting invaded in turn! The government has lied to us all, prove me wrong, bring a picture of Hitler's body.
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:26 pm
by Backglass
xtratabasco wrote:look, the wheels and egines and wings, and tires, and seats, and luggage and landing gear and glass, and steel shell dont vaporize.
Just because you havent seen a picture, doesnt mean those things don't exist.
xtratabasco wrote:now go get me my pictures of the 757 that hit the pentagon.
OK..here it is.
xtratabasco wrote:If you say you have 1 wheel then go find the other 7.
So...7 wheels would prove it to you? I don't think so. You would then claim that all seven were planted. You have seen actual evidence, but it's not enough. Much like the christians who will always find a way to excuse away disease, child rapists and hunger, you will find a way to explain away any evidence given to you as well. In fact you already have.
Besides...don't you think your shadowy government robots could plant seven wheels?
Why won't you answer anyones questions? Don't you want to prove your point? Just screaming "show me seven wheels" makes you look like a fool as we all know it wouldn't matter to you anyway.
Your deep in your cult now. Soon you will buy a hooded sweatshirt and start bombing universities.
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:14 pm
by unriggable
xtratabasco wrote:If you say you have 1 wheel then go find the other 7.
dont come back until you do.
Why would the government plant ONE WHEEL.
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:46 pm
by xtratabasco
Backglass wrote:xtratabasco wrote:look, the wheels and egines and wings, and tires, and seats, and luggage and landing gear and glass, and steel shell dont vaporize.
Just because you havent seen a picture, doesnt mean those things don't exist.
xtratabasco wrote:now go get me my pictures of the 757 that hit the pentagon.
OK..here it is.
xtratabasco wrote:If you say you have 1 wheel then go find the other 7.
So...7 wheels would prove it to you? I don't think so. You would then claim that all seven were planted. You have seen actual evidence, but it's not enough. Much like the christians who will always find a way to excuse away disease, child rapists and hunger, you will find a way to explain away any evidence given to you as well. In fact you already have.
Besides...don't you think your shadowy government robots could plant seven wheels?
Why won't you answer anyones questions? Don't you want to prove your point? Just screaming "show me seven wheels" makes you look like a fool as we all know it wouldn't matter to you anyway.
Your deep in your cult now. Soon you will buy a hooded sweatshirt and start bombing universities.
well I already debunked your pictures, but IF YOU SAY THE WHEELS ARE FROM THE 757 then yes, I want to see all of them.
and why your at it, show some pictures of the plane too, you know simple stuff like, engines, tires, wings, seats, luggage, landing gear etc.
thanks.
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:09 pm
by Frigidus
xtratabasco wrote:Backglass wrote:xtratabasco wrote:look, the wheels and egines and wings, and tires, and seats, and luggage and landing gear and glass, and steel shell dont vaporize.
Just because you havent seen a picture, doesnt mean those things don't exist.
xtratabasco wrote:now go get me my pictures of the 757 that hit the pentagon.
OK..here it is.
xtratabasco wrote:If you say you have 1 wheel then go find the other 7.
So...7 wheels would prove it to you? I don't think so. You would then claim that all seven were planted. You have seen actual evidence, but it's not enough. Much like the christians who will always find a way to excuse away disease, child rapists and hunger, you will find a way to explain away any evidence given to you as well. In fact you already have.
Besides...don't you think your shadowy government robots could plant seven wheels?
Why won't you answer anyones questions? Don't you want to prove your point? Just screaming "show me seven wheels" makes you look like a fool as we all know it wouldn't matter to you anyway.
Your deep in your cult now. Soon you will buy a hooded sweatshirt and start bombing universities.
well I already debunked your pictures, but IF YOU SAY THE WHEELS ARE FROM THE 757 then yes, I want to see all of them.
and why your at it, show some pictures of the plane too, you know simple stuff like, engines, tires, wings, seats, luggage, landing gear etc.
thanks.
You've asked for the impossible and used it as evidence for your theory. It's the equivalent of an athiest demanding a theist provide photographic proof of God to justify the theist's position. It's unreasonable.
Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:17 am
by xtratabasco
Frigidus wrote:xtratabasco wrote:Backglass wrote:xtratabasco wrote:look, the wheels and egines and wings, and tires, and seats, and luggage and landing gear and glass, and steel shell dont vaporize.
Just because you havent seen a picture, doesnt mean those things don't exist.
xtratabasco wrote:now go get me my pictures of the 757 that hit the pentagon.
OK..here it is.
xtratabasco wrote:If you say you have 1 wheel then go find the other 7.
So...7 wheels would prove it to you? I don't think so. You would then claim that all seven were planted. You have seen actual evidence, but it's not enough. Much like the christians who will always find a way to excuse away disease, child rapists and hunger, you will find a way to explain away any evidence given to you as well. In fact you already have.
Besides...don't you think your shadowy government robots could plant seven wheels?
Why won't you answer anyones questions? Don't you want to prove your point? Just screaming "show me seven wheels" makes you look like a fool as we all know it wouldn't matter to you anyway.
Your deep in your cult now. Soon you will buy a hooded sweatshirt and start bombing universities.
well I already debunked your pictures, but IF YOU SAY THE WHEELS ARE FROM THE 757 then yes, I want to see all of them.
and why your at it, show some pictures of the plane too, you know simple stuff like, engines, tires, wings, seats, luggage, landing gear etc.
thanks.
You've asked for the impossible and used it as evidence for your theory. It's the equivalent of an athiest demanding a theist provide photographic proof of God to justify the theist's position. It's unreasonable.
not even close.
Im asking for pictures of a 757 that this government says hit the pentagon, if you dont have them, then you join everyone else here who couldnt do it either.
but the real reason they and you cant do it, is because a 757 didnt hit the pentagon and vaporize, they are lying to you.
now, were getting somewhere.
Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:26 am
by heavycola
xtratabasco wrote:unriggable wrote:xtratabasco wrote:Frigidus wrote:xtratabasco wrote:and where are the other 7 wheels? lol
I don't think that when the plane hit the pentagon photographers were thinking "We'd better get a picture of every wheel.quote]
are you a moron?
Think through your statements before saying them. At the time, the big thing was the fact that 3,000 americans just died and Osama took the credit in many ways. They weren't trying to reconstruct the crash.
look, the wheels and egines and wings, and tires, and seats, and luggage and landing gear and glass, and steel shell dont vaporize.
I know this krazy idea has turned you into a chemist, structural engineer and all-round physics genius - but a) why do you think any luggage, seats or glass would have survived? Do you realise that the first two are flammable and the third melts? And do you realise planes are not made of steel?
Xtrabasco wrote:now i is geting sumwere lol lol
Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:21 pm
by xtratabasco
heavycola wrote:xtratabasco wrote:unriggable wrote:xtratabasco wrote:Frigidus wrote:xtratabasco wrote:and where are the other 7 wheels? lol
I don't think that when the plane hit the pentagon photographers were thinking "We'd better get a picture of every wheel.quote]
are you a moron?
Think through your statements before saying them. At the time, the big thing was the fact that 3,000 americans just died and Osama took the credit in many ways. They weren't trying to reconstruct the crash.
look, the wheels and egines and wings, and tires, and seats, and luggage and landing gear and glass, and steel shell dont vaporize.
I know this krazy idea has turned you into a chemist, structural engineer and all-round physics genius - but a) why do you think any luggage, seats or glass would have survived? Do you realise that the first two are flammable and the third melts? And do you realise planes are not made of steel?
Xtrabasco wrote:now i is geting sumwere lol lol
yes but backglass said the firfighters were there in less than 5 minutes, the government says the plane vaporized, so where are the video tapes of this happening and how does a 757 vaporize in less than 5 minutes, and how does 1 wheel survive and the other 7 vaporize. and what about the black boxes and engines and tires.
surly it would take longer than 5 minutes for the tires to vaporize.
and yes the glass could have melted but not in less than 5 minutes and where are the pictures of the glass on fire, Ill we see is nice beutifull grass, before they dumped gravel over it for the cranes.
Ive been to beer parties where tires were put in fires and they burnt all night but still didnt vaporize or melt, ive even scene cars put on fire that burnt for over a day and they didnt vaporize, so how could a 757 vaporize in less than 5 minutes?
Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:29 pm
by heavycola
xtratabasco wrote:heavycola wrote:xtratabasco wrote:unriggable wrote:xtratabasco wrote:Frigidus wrote:xtratabasco wrote:and where are the other 7 wheels? lol
I don't think that when the plane hit the pentagon photographers were thinking "We'd better get a picture of every wheel.quote]
are you a moron?
Think through your statements before saying them. At the time, the big thing was the fact that 3,000 americans just died and Osama took the credit in many ways. They weren't trying to reconstruct the crash.
look, the wheels and egines and wings, and tires, and seats, and luggage and landing gear and glass, and steel shell dont vaporize.
I know this krazy idea has turned you into a chemist, structural engineer and all-round physics genius - but a) why do you think any luggage, seats or glass would have survived? Do you realise that the first two are flammable and the third melts? And do you realise planes are not made of steel?
Xtrabasco wrote:now i is geting sumwere lol lol
yes but backglass said the firfighters were there in less than 5 minutes, the government says the plane vaporized, so where are the video tapes of this happening and how does a 757 vaporize in less than 5 minutes, and how does 1 wheel survive and the other 7 vaporize. and what about the black boxes and engines and tires.
surly it would take longer than 5 minutes for the tires to vaporize.
and yes the glass could have melted but not in less than 5 minutes and where are the pictures of the glass on fire, Ill we see is nice beutifull grass, before they dumped gravel over it for the cranes.
Ive been to beer parties where tires were put in fires and they burnt all night but still didnt vaporize or melt, ive even scene cars put on fire that burnt for over a day and they didnt vaporize, so how could a 757 vaporize in less than 5 minutes?
Xtra are you sure you're not some kind of uberscientist in disguise? Your keg parties must have provided the optimum experimental conditions in which to check the conditions experienced by an airliner crashing into reinfiorced concrete at 400mph! Xtraparanoia went to a keg party once and they torched a car and the government should be very very afraid!
Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:33 pm
by xtratabasco
heavycola wrote:xtratabasco wrote:heavycola wrote:xtratabasco wrote:unriggable wrote:xtratabasco wrote:Frigidus wrote:xtratabasco wrote:and where are the other 7 wheels? lol
I don't think that when the plane hit the pentagon photographers were thinking "We'd better get a picture of every wheel.quote]
are you a moron?
Think through your statements before saying them. At the time, the big thing was the fact that 3,000 americans just died and Osama took the credit in many ways. They weren't trying to reconstruct the crash.
look, the wheels and egines and wings, and tires, and seats, and luggage and landing gear and glass, and steel shell dont vaporize.
I know this krazy idea has turned you into a chemist, structural engineer and all-round physics genius - but a) why do you think any luggage, seats or glass would have survived? Do you realise that the first two are flammable and the third melts? And do you realise planes are not made of steel?
Xtrabasco wrote:now i is geting sumwere lol lol
yes but backglass said the firfighters were there in less than 5 minutes, the government says the plane vaporized, so where are the video tapes of this happening and how does a 757 vaporize in less than 5 minutes, and how does 1 wheel survive and the other 7 vaporize. and what about the black boxes and engines and tires.
surly it would take longer than 5 minutes for the tires to vaporize.
and yes the glass could have melted but not in less than 5 minutes and where are the pictures of the glass on fire, Ill we see is nice beutifull grass, before they dumped gravel over it for the cranes.
Ive been to beer parties where tires were put in fires and they burnt all night but still didnt vaporize or melt, ive even scene cars put on fire that burnt for over a day and they didnt vaporize, so how could a 757 vaporize in less than 5 minutes?
Xtra are you sure you're not some kind of uberscientist in disguise? Your keg parties must have provided the optimum experimental conditions in which to check the conditions experienced by an airliner crashing into reinfiorced concrete at 400mph! Xtraparanoia went to a keg party once and they torched a car and the government should be very very afraid!
thats all fine and dandy but you failed to answer the question.
how did it vaporize
why did it vaporize
and lets see pictures or tapes or witnesses that said it vaporized
and why does 1 wheel not vaporize
and why does 1 piece of tin not even have a burn mark on it
and why is the hole to small for the cone of a 757
and why did the heat from the vaporization not effect the grass and trees
and how did all the seats, luggage, glass, tires, even seat belt buckles vaporize in less than 5 minutes.
and how come the cable spolls didnt vaporize or the jeep wagoneer that was parked along side not vaporize
http://killtown.911review.org/pentalawn.html
http://www.kolumbus.fi/sy-k/pentagon/spools.htm
wow
