Conquer Club

world 2.1 does not need a revamp, this has already been discussed in the ideas subforum. the graphics on it are fine, and the gameplay is fine, Actually i quite like the world of 2.1 than this 2.2 try putting your talents to something that isn't not necesary, and are the north pole territs

LED ZEPPELINER wrote:world 2.1 does not need a revamp, this has already been discussed in the ideas subforum. the graphics on it are fine, and the gameplay is fine, Actually i quite like the world of 2.1 than this 2.2 try putting your talents to something that isn't not necesary, and are the north pole territs

2.1 doesn't need a Revamp, let alone something like that. The textures are ugly, the colours are dark and dreary and difficult to make out, it's clear you didn't change anything for the bottom legend, just messed with the levels a bit (you didn't even change the picture name...), the CC logo you have is ugly and doesn't fit with anything that CC currently has (eg red or the iconic star), the territories are far to small to fit anything on, you have this strange donut world going on with Antarctica, which also doesn't make sense... That's what's wrong with it at a glance...

hecter wrote:2.1 doesn't need a Revamp, let alone something like that. The textures are ugly, the colours are dark and dreary and difficult to make out, it's clear you didn't change anything for the bottom legend, just messed with the levels a bit (you didn't even change the picture name...), the CC logo you have is ugly and doesn't fit with anything that CC currently has (eg red or the iconic star), the territories are far to small to fit anything on, you have this strange donut world going on with Antarctica, which also doesn't make sense... That's what's wrong with it at a glance...

I gotta agree with hecter and LZ here … I don't like the thought of another 2.1, and this doesn't give off a feel of a nice map. Your borders are weird, and I agree with everything hecter said.
You clearly have graphical talent. Put it into a map that is a) not a revamp of a map that doesn't need it; and/or b) one with gameplay features compatible with the current XML.

.44

At the beginning of this project I was trying to respond to others request for a revamp of this map. I tried to address the things that people had pointed out as problems. I believe that I succeeded in this task. Zim, the author of 2.1, approves of my approach, and is on board. I think that you may be viewing this the wrong way.
The reason that people wanted the revamp, is NOT because they did not like the map. But because it is there favorite map, and wanted it to be even better. In other words, a large World map with many territory's is the overwhelming favorite "risk" map. The Classic is a world map, and another world map has replaced it as most loved on this site.
This fact got me to thinking that a Signature World map would be welcomed as an addition, not a revamp or replacement of 2.1.
CC needs a Signature map. It is my view that it should be a "World map". I would suggest that there be a competition to create CCs' Signature map. And that it be a big world map of our planet. I'm sure that 2.1 would be nominated. I would love to finish 2.2 for this contest, and you can be assured that Zims' name will be on my map. Asa matter of fact I have already decided to rename Zimbabwe to Zims-babwe.

the.killing.44 wrote:

hecter wrote:2.1 doesn't need a Revamp, let alone something like that. The textures are ugly, the colours are dark and dreary and difficult to make out, it's clear you didn't change anything for the bottom legend, just messed with the levels a bit (you didn't even change the picture name...), the CC logo you have is ugly and doesn't fit with anything that CC currently has (eg red or the iconic star), the territories are far to small to fit anything on, you have this strange donut world going on with Antarctica, which also doesn't make sense... That's what's wrong with it at a glance...

I gotta agree with hecter and LZ here … I don't like the thought of another 2.1, and this doesn't give off a feel of a nice map. Your borders are weird, and I agree with everything hecter said.
You clearly have graphical talent. Put it into a map that is a) not a revamp of a map that doesn't need it; and/or b) one with gameplay features compatible with the current XML.

.44

You have contradicted yourself. First you say a bunch of garbage about how ugly my map is, then you turn around and say that "You clearly have graphical talent". Now tell the truth, Which is it ?

I didn't contradict myself. Let me make an analogy: a smart student doesn't always get 100's on his tests. Shumagin Islands has great graphics on the map itself, but the gameplay isn't possible atm. But here, I just think you went the wrong way. The whole thing makes me feel like I'm in a dimly lit room with velvet walls all around me — not the feel you want on a map. The clean style on 2.1 is the best thing, and if you're going to do a retake of 2.1, I suggest you go with that. Your textures right now are unnerving.

.44

hecter wrote:2.1 doesn't need a Revamp, let alone something like that. The textures are ugly, the colours are dark and dreary and difficult to make out, it's clear you didn't change anything for the bottom legend, just messed with the levels a bit (you didn't even change the picture name...), the CC logo you have is ugly and doesn't fit with anything that CC currently has (eg red or the iconic star), the territories are far to small to fit anything on, you have this strange donut world going on with Antarctica, which also doesn't make sense... That's what's wrong with it at a glance...

This is my first draft. I believe that it is more complete than most first drafts. And oh, as a point of fact, No territories are smaller than 2.1, and most of the smallest territories are in fact, larger than 2.1.
I do not quite understand what you mean by "strange donut world with Antarctica" All I basically did, was to draw in a contiguous continent instead of a line to connect it with the other side of the board. I did the same thing in Alaska by drawing in the Aleutian Islands to connect Russia instead of a line.

Just because somebody has graphical talent doesn't mean that they can't make something ugly. .44 gave you an analogy, how about another one... Think of a band that you like. Are all of their songs hits? Or do they have one or two or a CD's worth of shitty ones? Of course they do! Nobody's perfect. As it stands, I feel this remake is a big mistake. You should move on to something better, original, different.

And donut world, if you were to make your map into a 3 dimensional figure, it'd be shaped like a donut. Going North from North America doesn't take you to Antarctica, it takes you to Russia.

the.killing.44 wrote:I didn't contradict myself. Let me make an analogy: a smart student doesn't always get 100's on his tests. Shumagin Islands has great graphics on the map itself, but the gameplay isn't possible atm. But here, I just think you went the wrong way. The whole thing makes me feel like I'm in a dimly lit room with velvet walls all around me — not the feel you want on a map. The clean style on 2.1 is the best thing, and if you're going to do a retake of 2.1, I suggest you go with that. Your textures right now are unnerving.

.44

So make a map just like the old one, only better ?
The darkness that you see is for a reason, and will be made clear, once you see the white text and the contrasting effect that it will have on the water. This map will be much easier to read than 2.1.

hecter wrote:Just because somebody has graphical talent doesn't mean that they can't make something ugly. .44 gave you an analogy, how about another one... Think of a band that you like. Are all of their songs hits? Or do they have one or two or a CD's worth of shitty ones? Of course they do! Nobody's perfect. As it stands, I feel this remake is a big mistake. You should move on to something better, original, different.

And donut world, if you were to make your map into a 3 dimensional figure, it'd be shaped like a donut. Going North from North America doesn't take you to Antarctica, it takes you to Russia.

It takes you to the Arctic.

you say we need a signature map of the world, i vote doodle earth

LED ZEPPELINER wrote:you say we need a signature map of the world, i vote doodle earth

That's not exactly what comes to mind when I think of an "epic battle"...

john9blue wrote:

LED ZEPPELINER wrote:you say we need a signature map of the world, i vote doodle earth

That's not exactly what comes to mind when I think of an "epic battle"...

I'm with him ^

I don't even PLAY doodle earth anymore! too small, i don't enjoy it. World 2.1 is a much better map than doodle earth, and therefore an upgraded version is definitely what i would want as the poster child for the site.

and, as i've said before, i'd love to see this map end up having all the real world countries.

ustus wrote:

john9blue wrote:

LED ZEPPELINER wrote:you say we need a signature map of the world, i vote doodle earth

That's not exactly what comes to mind when I think of an "epic battle"...

I'm with him ^

I don't even PLAY doodle earth anymore! too small, i don't enjoy it. World 2.1 is a much better map than doodle earth, and therefore an upgraded version is definitely what i would want as the poster child for the site.

and, as i've said before, i'd love to see this map end up having all the real world countries.

Yes it would be a "real" World map. Like I said before, If someone knows how I can get a sightly larger map hosted, I would love to do it. Or if it is possible to have a globe that rotates, something like google earth. How cool would that be ?

porkenbeans wrote:

hecter wrote:2.1 doesn't need a Revamp, let alone something like that. The textures are ugly, the colours are dark and dreary and difficult to make out, it's clear you didn't change anything for the bottom legend, just messed with the levels a bit (you didn't even change the picture name...), the CC logo you have is ugly and doesn't fit with anything that CC currently has (eg red or the iconic star), the territories are far to small to fit anything on, you have this strange donut world going on with Antarctica, which also doesn't make sense... That's what's wrong with it at a glance...

This is my first draft. I believe that it is more complete than most first drafts. And oh, as a point of fact, No territories are smaller than 2.1, and most of the smallest territories are in fact, larger than 2.1.
I do not quite understand what you mean by "strange donut world with Antarctica" All I basically did, was to draw in a contiguous continent instead of a line to connect it with the other side of the board. I did the same thing in Alaska by drawing in the Aleutian Islands to connect Russia instead of a line.

And oh, That star logo is the exact same as "Texaco" -down to even the colors. Unoriginal, non-descriptive, and it just doesn't POP.

Photobucket suits all image needs... You can upload images that are 1024*768, if that's not big enough, you're map's far too big.

hecter wrote:Photobucket suits all image needs... You can upload images that are 1024*768, if that's not big enough, you're map's far too big.

Yeah, thats the thing. It needs to be around 1300 or so wide, to be able to pull it off.

By all means revamp this all you want, and Call it CC World, or whatever you want...but you simply can not change world 2.1 or replace it. Its been here too long and is a staple. I practically play nothing else, and I know many that actually play nothing else.

I really dont think you understand, exactly how serious I am about how impossible it is to get rid of world 2.1. You cant do it. It is as classic as classic now, and there is no benefit to changing it. None. Make as many alternatives as you want...but make no mistake of the resistance you will find to any attempt to get rid of World...

I know this map inside and out... I know most of the players who play it, and I know they will say the same thing I am saying.

Dont take this the wrong way here either...Im just letting you know how deeply people like this map, and how important it is. For me, It is CC, and for many others it is too. Hell, I practically miss the brunei-sumatra border issues of the original World map...but agree, that had to be fixed.

AAFitz wrote:By all means revamp this all you want, and Call it CC World, or whatever you want...but you simply can not change world 2.1 or replace it. Its been here too long and is a staple. I practically play nothing else, and I know many that actually play nothing else.

I really dont think you understand, exactly how serious I am about how impossible it is to get rid of world 2.1. You cant do it. It is as classic as classic now, and there is no benefit to changing it. None. Make as many alternatives as you want...but make no mistake of the resistance you will find to any attempt to get rid of World...

I know this map inside and out... I know most of the players who play it, and I know they will say the same thing I am saying.

Dont take this the wrong way here either...Im just letting you know how deeply people like this map, and how important it is. For me, It is CC, and for many others it is too. Hell, I practically miss the brunei-sumatra border issues of the original World map...but agree, that had to be fixed.

I invite you to read this thread, starting at the beginning.

invite who, its teh same thing he jsut said

LED ZEPPELINER wrote:invite who, its teh same thing he jsut said

no. I hate to say I'm not a supporter of this map, but I know what pork wants to/is do(ing) with it. it is NOT a revamp, nor a replacement. he merely wishes to create a second option, albeit one that may have to have slightly different gameplay.

pork, you should change the title to "world 3 - NOT a revamp" to avoid confusion like Benn did with Europa.

.44

do you realize that the legend says world 2.1

LED ZEPPELINER wrote:do you realize that the legend says world 2.1

Because it is 2.1's legend

.44

the.killing.44 wrote:

LED ZEPPELINER wrote:do you realize that the legend says world 2.1

Because it is 2.1's legend

.44

i know, but this is supposed to be 2.2


Edit: I also think that a poll is in order