Conquer Club

Simon Viavant wrote:

Gregrios wrote:

william18 wrote:So your just going to correct my spelling?

Hey, look at the bright side. When they start correcting your grammer that means you've won the debate.

He didn't even try to debate, he just made retarded attacks on me.

Back to the main thread:

God designed humans with certain traits such as curiosity. And Satan was an angel who was cast out of heaven for being vain or something like that. Wow, god's really merciful and loving.

It sounds like you expect God to be a push-over.

Neoteny wrote:

Gregrios wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

Gregrios wrote:

Neoteny wrote:Eve = created by god.
Satan = created by god.

Eve = created by God: correct

Satan = created by God: source please

Teh Bible?

Isn't god the creator of all? Where did Satan come from?

The Bible does not say. As far as I know there's only one place where Satan's beginning is explained and that's the gnostic scriptures.

That's a cop-out. A big one.

If Satan wasn't created by God then where did he come from? Some other creator? Is he a creator himself?

the real question is why did people blame Eve for 6000 years and counting, and not Satan or Adam, for what resulted?

If you'd have read my question, you'd know I wasn't asking about God I was asking about christians (and to be more specific, Catholics, but hey)...
I mean, what's with the whole blaming Eve thing? How is she any more to blame than Adam? Because she was tricked by the Devil (cleverly disguised as a snake)?

Neoteny wrote:

Gregrios wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

Gregrios wrote:

Neoteny wrote:Eve = created by god.
Satan = created by god.

Eve = created by God: correct

Satan = created by God: source please

Teh Bible?

Isn't god the creator of all? Where did Satan come from?

The Bible does not say. As far as I know there's only one place where Satan's beginning is explained and that's the gnostic scriptures.

That's a cop-out. A big one.

Whatever. I'm just telling you how it is. Take it or leave it.

Gregrios wrote:It sounds like you expect God to be a push-over.

Would you throw your 5 year old kid out on the street if they broke one of your rules?

Satan was an angel who got cast out of heaven for being vain, and because he rebelled against god. Along with a lot of drama about war in heaven and some badass named St. Michael.

browng-08 wrote:

the real question is why did people blame Eve for 6000 years and counting, and not Satan or Adam, for what resulted?

If you'd have read my question, you'd know I wasn't asking about God I was asking about christians (and to be more specific, Catholics, but hey)...
I mean, what's with the whole blaming Eve thing? How is she any more to blame than Adam? Because she was tricked by the Devil (cleverly disguised as a snake)?

I imagine that she was blamed because all of the philosophers and theologians of the Middle Ages were men.

Satan = Lucifer = angel
Who created the angels?
PS- this just reminded me of a great short story by Neil Gaiman, Murder Mysteries. Let me see if I can find it...
Found it:
http://www.neilgaiman.com/works/Comics/ ... Mysteries/

Gregrios wrote:Whatever. I'm just telling you how it is. Take it or leave it.

I'm more than willing to "leave" flawed logic and empty rhetoric.

Simon Viavant wrote:God designs humans to be sinful, then commits genocide on them for their sinfulness, then promises to never do it again, then impregnates a woman and is born as her baby and sacrifices himself to himself to atone for the sinfulness he created in humans, then commits genocide on them for their sinfulness as he promised never to do again.

This should be food for thought here, for anyone who might be inclined in that area. In any other genre, a post this self contradictory and stoopid would probably be ignored, with one or two spammish comments by innocent bystanders. This one however, generated 5 fooking pages! Amazing.

First of all, "God designs humans to be sinful" - did you hear someone say that? Did you see it on TV? Where, pray tell, did you get that? I read somewhere (lemmesee, where was that?) that He created Adam and Eve perfect, so where did you get your info? Also, wherethefuck was the second genocide that He "committed"? Just wonderin.


Honibaz

Frigidus wrote:If Satan wasn't created by God then where did he come from? Some other creator? Is he a creator himself?

I went from believing the gnostic scriptures, to not believing it, and now I'm on the fence about it. So assuming the gnostic scriptures are legit, Satan was born in Heaven without God's consent. There are parts of the Bible that vaguely hint to this scenerio. That's why I'm on the fence about it in the first place. Basically what it says is that a female angel decided to have a child without God's consent and once she realized the monster she had created, she placed him on a throne in a cloudy area inwhich he would not be found by anyone except the Holy Spirit.

b.k. barunt wrote:First of all, "God designs humans to be sinful" - did you hear someone say that? Did you see it on TV? Where, pray tell, did you get that? I read somewhere (lemmesee, where was that?) that He created Adam and Eve perfect, so where did you get your info? Also, wherethefuck was the second genocide that He "committed"? Just wonderin.


Honibaz

All of those are answered in the last 2 pages. Maybe read the thread before you start spewing shit out of your mouth?

honibaz is back... the answer to your second question is armegedon...as explained in the thread...it will happen in the future

its well done, because you cant argue that, since the bible says it will happen...without accepting that the bible is wrong about the rest of it

whats funny is it took me .1 seconds to realize what it meant, while the main bible loving people couldnt think of it...odd

Hologram wrote:C'mon,

Yeah, COME ON!

b.k. barunt wrote:

Simon Viavant wrote:God designs humans to be sinful, then commits genocide on them for their sinfulness, then promises to never do it again, then impregnates a woman and is born as her baby and sacrifices himself to himself to atone for the sinfulness he created in humans, then commits genocide on them for their sinfulness as he promised never to do again.

This should be food for thought here, for anyone who might be inclined in that area. In any other genre, a post this self contradictory and stoopid would probably be ignored, with one or two spammish comments by innocent bystanders. This one however, generated 5 fooking pages! Amazing.

First of all, "God designs humans to be sinful" - did you hear someone say that? Did you see it on TV? Where, pray tell, did you get that? I read somewhere (lemmesee, where was that?) that He created Adam and Eve perfect, so where did you get your info? Also, wherethefuck was the second genocide that He "committed"? Just wonderin.


Honibaz

To be fair half the thread is grammar correction.

AAFitz wrote:
whats funny is it took me .1 seconds to realize what it meant, while the main bible loving people couldnt think of it...odd

I guess i missed it due to his use of past tense. Silly me.


Honibaz

Neoteny wrote:
Where did Satan come from?

Des Moines, actually.

Gregrios wrote:

Frigidus wrote:If Satan wasn't created by God then where did he come from? Some other creator? Is he a creator himself?

I went from believing the gnostic scriptures, to not believing it, and now I'm on the fence about it. So assuming the gnostic scriptures are legit, Satan was born in Heaven without God's consent. There are parts of the Bible that vaguely hint to this scenerio. That's why I'm on the fence about it in the first place. Basically what it says is that a female angel decided to have a child without God's consent and once she realized the monster she had created, she placed him on a throne in a cloudy area inwhich he would not be found by anyone except the Holy Spirit.

I think it says in the bible that god had blessed him and made him a beautiful angel and it went to his head and made him vain and he rebelled against god and blah blah blah.

Simon Viavant wrote:

b.k. barunt wrote:First of all, "God designs humans to be sinful" - did you hear someone say that? Did you see it on TV? Where, pray tell, did you get that? I read somewhere (lemmesee, where was that?) that He created Adam and Eve perfect, so where did you get your info? Also, wherethefuck was the second genocide that He "committed"? Just wonderin.


Honibaz

All of those are answered in the last 2 pages. Maybe read the thread before you start spewing shit out of your mouth?

Holy shit! Sounds like someone got poked in the gootchie. Didn't mean to upset you so much, but i have neither the time nor inclination to wade through 2 pages of redundant whining to get a simple answer. I guess i'll have to remain clueless as to the reason for your ignorance.

Btw, the female angel giving birth to Satan was in "Preacher" by Garth Ennis. Great read, but i doubt if he expected it to put anyone on a fence.


Honibaz

The Virgin Mary -- One lady really sticking to her story.

william18 wrote:Thats called correct grammer

I'm gonna sig this.

Gregrios wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

Gregrios wrote:

Neoteny wrote:Eve = created by god.
Satan = created by god.

Eve = created by God: correct

Satan = created by God: source please

Teh Bible?

Isn't god the creator of all? Where did Satan come from?

The Bible does not say. As far as I know there's only one place where Satan's beginning is explained and that's the gnostic scriptures.

Seriously, read Revelation. It describes Lucifer as a beautiful angel that was cast out of heaven for doing bad things. In Genesis, I believe, it tells how God created the angels. Therefore, God created Satan.

Hologram wrote:Seriously, read Revelation. It describes Lucifer as a beautiful angel that was cast out of heaven for doing bad things. In Genesis, I believe, it tells how God created the angels. Therefore, God created Satan.

And, by the transitive power, Des Moines.

Ahhh. I see the usual heathens are up to their usual flawed liberal logic. As for the Angel giving birth to Satan...What?

PopeBenXVI wrote:Ahhh. I see the usual heathens are up to their usual flawed liberal logic. As for the Angel giving birth to Satan...What?

Care to enlighten us on why it's flawed, or are you just going to act all holier-than-thou and look down your nose at us about our flawed logic which you haven't said anything about?

Simon Viavant wrote:

PopeBenXVI wrote:Ahhh. I see the usual heathens are up to their usual flawed liberal logic. As for the Angel giving birth to Satan...What?

Care to enlighten us on why it's flawed, or are you just going to act all holier-than-thou and look down your nose at us about our flawed logic which you haven't said anything about?

He's the pope, he doesn't have to answer to anyone except God.