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Re: Has anyone else noticed (olympics)
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:03 pm
by Anarkistsdream
kerntheconkerer wrote:if you noticed what i said before, exactly, because the judges are from countries who have no gynastic teams and are therefore terrible judges, probably being paid by the chinese government...
jeez why does everyone always so loud and annoying without even thinking?
Now you are talking about paying them off?
hahaha
And for calling others loud and annoying, you apparently don't think or proofread what you type... Maybe you should give that a try, so you don't look like an even bigger dumbass...
Re: Has anyone else noticed (olympics)
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:08 pm
by Nikolai
Huckleberryhound wrote:Zemljanin wrote:Nikolai wrote:There are good reasons to object to China's hosting... but most of them are easier to prove then nebulous suspicions of cheating. Pollution/air quality, for instance. Organization. Some of the aforementioned shady publicism. China's having reneged on their promise to provide all members of foreign media with unfettered Internet access while in China. Poor building of event arenas. The prestige given to a blatant human rights violator. There are good reasons without even going to the "CHEATER!" cry, true though it may be. (And probably is, in a few cases. Yeah, I'm talking to you, He Kexin.)
Are you serious or sarcastic? I mean, the content suggests that you're heavily sarcastic, but you sound so serious...
I particularly like the part where "using computer generated fireworks" is ground for China not hosting the olympics. 15,000 people practice their Choreography for a year to make the opening ceremony special, but generate a few bangers and you're muck
Actually, I was being both ironic
and serious in an attempt to point out that speculations about cheating judges are really unnecessary. If you're looking for a reason to forbid China from hosting the Olympics, there are other, more proveable items. And if you're
looking for that reason, you'll find it no matter how tiny and unimportant that reason might actually be.
Re: Has anyone else noticed (olympics)
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:34 pm
by SlayerQC
A country that fails in so many way with human rights ,Tibet, pollution and so many things that would be too long to name shouldnt have the right to host such an (used to be anyways) honorable event as the Olympics.
They proved it already with lies about the freedom of the media + that lipsynch incident. Maybe more, I dont quite follow these olympics.
But hey, money talks.
Re: Has anyone else noticed (olympics)
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:43 pm
by dcowboys055
I don't think judges cheat but I would bet that they're swayed by the Chinese crowds, there have clearly been some wildly inaccurate scores I've seen.
Re: Has anyone else noticed (olympics)
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:26 pm
by kerntheconkerer
SlayerQC wrote:A country that fails in so many way with human rights ,Tibet, pollution and so many things that would be too long to name shouldnt have the right to host such an (used to be anyways) honorable event as the Olympics.
They proved it already with lies about the freedom of the media + that lipsynch incident. Maybe more, I dont quite follow these olympics.
But hey, money talks.
Finally, words of the wisdom from the wise...
Re: Has anyone else noticed (olympics)
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:30 pm
by strike wolf
SlayerQC wrote:A country that fails in so many way with human rights ,Tibet, pollution and so many things that would be too long to name shouldnt have the right to host such an (used to be anyways) honorable event as the Olympics.
They proved it already with lies about the freedom of the media + that lipsynch incident. Maybe more, I dont quite follow these olympics.
But hey, money talks.
What was the "lipsynch incident"?
Re: Has anyone else noticed (olympics)
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:34 pm
by pancakemix
strike wolf wrote:SlayerQC wrote:A country that fails in so many way with human rights ,Tibet, pollution and so many things that would be too long to name shouldnt have the right to host such an (used to be anyways) honorable event as the Olympics.
They proved it already with lies about the freedom of the media + that lipsynch incident. Maybe more, I dont quite follow these olympics.
But hey, money talks.
What was the "lipsynch incident"?
The little girl singing at the opening ceremony wasn't singing.
Re: Has anyone else noticed (olympics)
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:35 pm
by strike wolf
Oh, well that's not a big deal in my opinion.
Re: Has anyone else noticed (olympics)
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:47 pm
by kerntheconkerer
strike wolf wrote:Oh, well that's not a big deal in my opinion.
Still, its just another thing that China took the easy way out and gets the rest of the world to not trust them anymore...
Re: Has anyone else noticed (olympics)
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:08 pm
by comic boy
The host country always seems to get favourable decisions so the Chinese bias is following a familiar pattern. Im told that the current gymnastic decisions are nothing compared to the blatant rigging that saw American boxers win everything in Atlanta, apparently some of the decisions were so obviously incorrect ( and the scale of disgust so high ) that the scoring system was changed afterwards to make it less easy to manipulate fights in the future.
As for the Brits....Amazing performance
Re: Has anyone else noticed (olympics)
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:16 pm
by Nickbaldwin
kerntheconkerer wrote:if you noticed what i said before, exactly, because the judges are from countries who have no gynastic teams and are therefore terrible judges, probably being paid by the chinese government...
jeez why does everyone always so loud and annoying without even thinking?
what, you think having judges from countries that have gymnastic teams
wouldnt be biased?
Re: Has anyone else noticed (olympics)
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:51 pm
by comic boy
kerntheconkerer wrote:strike wolf wrote:Oh, well that's not a big deal in my opinion.
Still, its just another thing that China took the easy way out and gets the rest of the world to not trust them anymore...
So do you think that when the World saw the USA cheat at the Atlanta games it decided it couldnt be trusted anymore, was that when it all started to fall apart
Re: Has anyone else noticed (olympics)
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:04 pm
by Huckleberryhound
icicletasty69 wrote:nukie wrote:And can someone explain what an age violation is? is there like a minimum age or something?
The minimum age for gymnasts is 16, but there is a lot of speculation that a few of the Chinese female gymnasts are younger (for god's sake, one of them still has her baby teeth).
Beyond that, considering as the judging is from a international panel, not just chinese, it's kind of hard to say that they're cheating. However, I feel that they really are using these Olympics to show off their nation, which is kind of outside of the spirit of the Olympics...I cite the entire opening ceremony
The Ukranians openly fielded a 15 year old gymnast
Re: Has anyone else noticed (olympics)
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:15 pm
by hiddendragon
LOL, what a lamebrained statement...To expect the chinese not to have some solid atheletes is idiotic...much like the eastern block countries of the 80's and before, the chinese raise athletes from childhood...Sure, some upper class western civilization nations send thier kids to special schools or through programs to train for Olympic types of events but in China it is considered a contribution to the state...
kerntheconkerer wrote:That China can only win the events with judges?!?!? They suck at swimming, volleyball, rowing, basketball, etc etc.
The always win with the judges though. Diving, gynastics. Who else has seen the bitter rigggieness of the gynastics. Its so obvious. the Chinese girls are so not good enough and that one girl that looks like she's 10 (no older than 12)
The olympics should never be in China ever again!!! who agrees?
Re: Has anyone else noticed (olympics)
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:19 pm
by ksslemp
This thread is meant to be sarcasm? yes?Saber points are awarded through electronic strike pads on the participants suits! and furthermore the chinese were not in any medal rounds. 2 Americans played each other for Gold/Silver!
Who cares about the age of the Gymnasts, if they were 8 years old and beat the crap out of all the others to get there, let them compete. From what i've seen Boxing is the event most screwed up but thats always been the case, during the Olympics or otherwise.
still i get it Dreamie, you are one funny chick! ROFLOLPlease set us straight and come clean that you were being sarcastic.Anarkistsdream wrote:The Chinese judge gave three medals to America in Women's Saber...
Also, there is an Olympic Panel comprised of several of the larger countries that, if this were in the slightest true, would crack down and kick some ass.
So, in the end, you are wrong...
Re: Has anyone else noticed (olympics)
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:30 pm
by ksslemp
As long as the gymnast turns 16 within 2008 it is legal under the rules of the Olympic committee.Huckleberryhound wrote:icicletasty69 wrote:nukie wrote:And can someone explain what an age violation is? is there like a minimum age or something?
The minimum age for gymnasts is 16, but there is a lot of speculation that a few of the Chinese female gymnasts are younger (for god's sake, one of them still has her baby teeth).
Beyond that, considering as the judging is from a international panel, not just chinese, it's kind of hard to say that they're cheating. However, I feel that they really are using these Olympics to show off their nation, which is kind of outside of the spirit of the Olympics...I cite the entire opening ceremony
The Ukranians openly fielded a 15 year old gymnast
Re: Has anyone else noticed (olympics)
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:34 pm
by hiddendragon
Would we be happier knowing our young women got beat by pre-teens or girls? sometimes is best to allow sleeping dogs to lie...
ksslemp wrote:As long as the gymnast turns 16 within 2008 it is legal under the rules of the Olympic committee.Huckleberryhound wrote:icicletasty69 wrote:nukie wrote:And can someone explain what an age violation is? is there like a minimum age or something?
The minimum age for gymnasts is 16, but there is a lot of speculation that a few of the Chinese female gymnasts are younger (for god's sake, one of them still has her baby teeth).
Beyond that, considering as the judging is from a international panel, not just chinese, it's kind of hard to say that they're cheating. However, I feel that they really are using these Olympics to show off their nation, which is kind of outside of the spirit of the Olympics...I cite the entire opening ceremony
The Ukranians openly fielded a 15 year old gymnast
Re: Has anyone else noticed (olympics)
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:03 pm
by jiminski
why is the USA doing so badly ? well because all their best athletes are banned for being drug cheats.
the only thing keeping the US ahead of the UK are the shooting medals .... Charlton Heston finally came in handy.
Re: Has anyone else noticed (olympics)
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:42 pm
by pancakemix
jiminski wrote:why is the USA doing so badly ? well because all their best athletes are banned for being drug cheats.
the only thing keeping the US ahead of the UK are the shooting medals .... Charlton Heston finally came in handy.
2 United States (USA) 26 26 27 79
3 Great Britain (GBR) 16 9 8 33
The US only has 2 shooting gold medals. If you take those away, that's an 8-gold lead on the UK. Sounds like the same number of medals for a certain swimmer I know of...
Re: Has anyone else noticed (olympics)
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:46 pm
by jiminski
pancakemix wrote:jiminski wrote:why is the USA doing so badly ? well because all their best athletes are banned for being drug cheats.
the only thing keeping the US ahead of the UK are the shooting medals .... Charlton Heston finally came in handy.
2 United States (USA) 26 26 27 79
3 Great Britain (GBR) 16 9 8 33
The US only has 2 shooting gold medals. If you take those away, that's an 8-gold lead on the UK. Sounds like the same number of medals for a certain swimmer I know of...
Phelps?.. another doper.. ; )
Proof of the cheatingFACT!!
Re: Has anyone else noticed (olympics)
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:56 pm
by strike wolf
jiminski wrote:pancakemix wrote:jiminski wrote:why is the USA doing so badly ? well because all their best athletes are banned for being drug cheats.
the only thing keeping the US ahead of the UK are the shooting medals .... Charlton Heston finally came in handy.
2 United States (USA) 26 26 27 79
3 Great Britain (GBR) 16 9 8 33
The US only has 2 shooting gold medals. If you take those away, that's an 8-gold lead on the UK. Sounds like the same number of medals for a certain swimmer I know of...
Phelps?.. another doper.. ; )
Proof of the cheatingFACT!!
Phelps isn't a "doper". He's a genetic experiment created by the U.S. Navy to plant bombs on enemy harbors. Of course, eventually we came to realize that we really needed him for the U.S. Olympic swimming team.
Re: Has anyone else noticed (olympics)
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:50 pm
by ksslemp
jiminski wrote:pancakemix wrote:jiminski wrote:why is the USA doing so badly ? well because all their best athletes are banned for being drug cheats.
the only thing keeping the US ahead of the UK are the shooting medals .... Charlton Heston finally came in handy.
2 United States (USA) 26 26 27 79
3 Great Britain (GBR) 16 9 8 33
The US only has 2 shooting gold medals. If you take those away, that's an 8-gold lead on the UK. Sounds like the same number of medals for a certain swimmer I know of...
Phelps?.. another doper.. ; )
Proof of the cheatingFACT!!
Can i get you a Hankie? waa waa waa
Re: Has anyone else noticed (olympics)
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:56 pm
by demon7896
Simon Viavant wrote:This is pathetic. I'm ashamed to live in a country that can't handle getting 2nd at the Olympics, so they accuse China of cheating.
This thread is pathetic. Not the country. There isn't any public outcry of foul play or anything.
Re: Has anyone else noticed (olympics)
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:23 am
by Joodoo
demon7896 wrote:Simon Viavant wrote:This is pathetic. I'm ashamed to live in a country that can't handle getting 2nd at the Olympics, so they accuse China of cheating.
This thread is pathetic. Not the country. There isn't any public outcry of foul play or anything.
you are correct
Re: Has anyone else noticed (olympics)
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:57 am
by jiminski
ksslemp wrote:jiminski wrote:pancakemix wrote:jiminski wrote:why is the USA doing so badly ? well because all their best athletes are banned for being drug cheats.
the only thing keeping the US ahead of the UK are the shooting medals .... Charlton Heston finally came in handy.
2 United States (USA) 26 26 27 79
3 Great Britain (GBR) 16 9 8 33
The US only has 2 shooting gold medals. If you take those away, that's an 8-gold lead on the UK. Sounds like the same number of medals for a certain swimmer I know of...
Phelps?.. another doper.. ; )
Proof of the cheatingFACT!!
Can i get you a Hankie? waa waa waa
at least put some effort into this Lemp. now can you refute my irrefutable video evidence above ?