Conquer Club

Twill wrote:Hey folks,

I'm not going to get into a he-said-she-said here because that would just get messy and I don't want to slander wicked, despite what she or others may think, I have more respect for her than that. CC owes her a lot for the time she has spent volunteering for this site, it is what it is today in large part because of her efforts, personality and knowledge of the community. However, for many reasons, we did ask her to step down several days ago, and the discussions since then have unfortunately not demonstrated change to the "what" that led us to this decision

The decision to ask her to step down was not an easy one, and in the short run it will no doubt make things more difficult as we find our footing without wicked taking a lead in the mod team. However, there is a lot of history behind this decision, and this had little to do with her illness or her behaviour during it. As I said, I don't want to go more into as I believe the issues and reasons behind the decision are a private matter.

We had hoped that we could have a more amicable split, but it seems as though that's not going to be the case. I do agree with Wicked that you, as a community, are indeed responsible for keeping me and the admins accountable, however, there are better ways to do it than this.

The community here is the heart and soul of this site, and it is a sad truth that it is slowly being taken over by a negative and unwelcoming atmosphere, where new additions to the community are often shouted down and told to f*ck off rather than welcomed and made to feel at home. Changing this current atmosphere and working towards a more open and accepting community is something that has been very important to us for a while now. Lack, Andy and I all started out as volunteers here, doing this in our spare time because we love it. CC has grown very quickly, faster than most of us would have imagined, and while it is a lot more "work" and less of a hobby, we all still love it, despite what wicked claims about us not caring about it any more.

Wicked, I won't lie and say it was always a pleasure to work with you, but you always kept me and the other admins on their toes and I have always been in awe of your ability to moderate, your dedication and your commitment even when we were butting heads over policy, process or direction. I wish we had been able to work out the other issues over the years, and still hope that we can. As we said in private, the door is still open to you if we see the changes that need to happen.

To everyone else, whatever your opinion of wicked is and whatever you think about us asking her to step down, please do give wicked the respect she deserves and understand that as much as I would like to explain this decision in more detail, I cannot.

Respect each other's opinion and viewpoints and hopefully we can move forward from here and keep improving the community that makes this site so great.


Twill

wicked wrote:Actually my discussions with lack did demonstrate I was recovered and willing to work within the system. I was making a HUGE effort to appease everyone. It was only after a few days, when I started writing all this down and talking to others, that I realized I didn't want to work with you and at that point starting speaking out on the forums and in chat with my newfound freedom.

twill I asked you and lack on several occassions during this last week on what I needed to work on and do to prove I was willing to do whatever to make it work. The first day I found out, I requested to talk to you over email, and you never responded. You only responded via PM with "I don't think you can change", and were dismissive at best. The decision was already finalized before any of you knew I was sick, and you refused to waiver or compromise, so how is that taking my sickness into account? You claimed I acted up with you "before" my illness, when the fact is you didn't come back until the time around when I initially got sick,or did you conveniently forget that as well? I'm not using that as an entire excuse here, but it's definitely pertinent.

nesterdude wrote:

wicked wrote:Actually my discussions with lack did demonstrate I was recovered and willing to work within the system. I was making a HUGE effort to appease everyone. It was only after a few days, when I started writing all this down and talking to others, that I realized I didn't want to work with you and at that point starting speaking out on the forums and in chat with my newfound freedom.

twill I asked you and lack on several occassions during this last week on what I needed to work on and do to prove I was willing to do whatever to make it work. The first day I found out, I requested to talk to you over email, and you never responded. You only responded via PM with "I don't think you can change", and were dismissive at best. The decision was already finalized before any of you knew I was sick, and you refused to waiver or compromise, so how is that taking my sickness into account? You claimed I acted up with you "before" my illness, when the fact is you didn't come back until the time around when I initially got sick,or did you conveniently forget that as well? I'm not using that as an entire excuse here, but it's definitely pertinent.

Your sickness doensn't matter to the issue at hand.
If your performance suffers, then your out of a job....sorry wick fact of life.

pimphawks70 wrote:

nesterdude wrote:

wicked wrote:Actually my discussions with lack did demonstrate I was recovered and willing to work within the system. I was making a HUGE effort to appease everyone. It was only after a few days, when I started writing all this down and talking to others, that I realized I didn't want to work with you and at that point starting speaking out on the forums and in chat with my newfound freedom.

twill I asked you and lack on several occassions during this last week on what I needed to work on and do to prove I was willing to do whatever to make it work. The first day I found out, I requested to talk to you over email, and you never responded. You only responded via PM with "I don't think you can change", and were dismissive at best. The decision was already finalized before any of you knew I was sick, and you refused to waiver or compromise, so how is that taking my sickness into account? You claimed I acted up with you "before" my illness, when the fact is you didn't come back until the time around when I initially got sick,or did you conveniently forget that as well? I'm not using that as an entire excuse here, but it's definitely pertinent.

Your sickness doensn't matter to the issue at hand.
If your performance suffers, then your out of a job....sorry wick fact of life.

Hate 2 break it 2 u but firing someone because they are ill is illegal bro.

wicked starts a great topic and twill makes up excuses about why wicked got fired. He won't even tell us the reasons which means there were either crappy reasons or no reasons at all. Wicked was open with us while twill wouldn't tell us anything. Until twill can give us a good reason for the release of wicked I will be on wickeds side

Robinette wrote:WOW

Just finished reading all of this...
So good timing for the Official Press Release Twill... it would have been strange to get to the end without it...

Well, having been on both sides of issues like this before, I am fully aware that there is always much more to the situation that what meets the eye... for everybody...

Life is full of strange twists and disappointments... hopefully everything will work itself out for the better for everybody...

And my final thought... I blame global warming... obviously hell could not have frozen over without it!

Fruitcake wrote:This whole thing does not stack up.

Bruceswar wrote:

Fruitcake wrote:This whole thing does not stack up.

There is always behind the scenes stuff we do not see.

Fruitcake wrote:

Bruceswar wrote:

Fruitcake wrote:This whole thing does not stack up.

There is always behind the scenes stuff we do not see.

Thank you, Bruce, for being so perspicacious in spotting my rhetoric.