Conquer Club

suggs wrote:If Hilary wins, the Democrat are certain to win the Presidency because of the womens vote.
So vote Hilary.
(They're aren't enough blacks yet to guarantee an Obama win).

suggs wrote:If Hilary wins, the Democrat are certain to win the Presidency because of the womens vote.
So vote Hilary.
(They're aren't enough blacks yet to guarantee an Obama win).

Dekloren wrote:China is rising to power

Snorri1234 wrote:
Gooks does not only refer to the Vietnamese. Ofcourse it was used as a slur against them, as it has been against the Koreans. But now it's just a slur aimed at all asians.

Noone is saying McCain is a racist, but is a person so oblivious to the meaning of his words fit to be the new president of the most powerfull nation on the planet?

btownmeggy wrote:If you've paid incredibly close attention to every last one of my posts over the last year or so, you know I'm a long-time Bill Richardson supporter. Richardson is a hardcore technocrat, with flair. I love him. And he's no longer running for President, so I've been posed with a quite a dilemma. With U.S. politics as they currently stand, I would only ever vote Democrat. Period. People who think that is confining and short-sighted--well, I won't say they're stoopid, but they don't have very nuanced understandings of U.S. American politics.

So, I'm left with the question, "Obama" or "Hillary"?

They are very similar on nearly all issues of import to me. I favor Hillary's health care model, but not incredibly so, since I think they're both in folly. If you want universal health coverage, single-payer health care is the only way to go. Ultimately, in my internal debate over Hillary and Obama, with their nearly all-encompassing policy similarities, it will come down to political style. Obama has a much, much more attractive political style. I'm not a Hillary-hater, BY ANY MEANS, but I am totally willing to admit that she's not incredibly likeable. Secondarily, I think there certainly is something to say for an opposition to the "oligarchy" that Hillary may represent. It reflects badly on the U.S., and as a hegemon in crisis, the U.S. needs to be very concerned about its image. With that in mind, I'm willing to bring race into the picture. A black President would reflect very well on the U.S., both in terms of domestic and international politics.

So, who will I vote for on March 4th? Barack Obama.

CoffeeCream wrote:I don't totally agree where you take your views, but at least you understand how it feels for those us to lose Bill Richardson out of this race. I already voted for Obama because I really don't like the way Hillary acts towards anyone opposing her. Her husband has leveled cheap shots at Sen. Obama, but Obama has taken it with class and risen above their level in my opinion.

Colossus wrote:Obama didn't rise to the status he has now because of the black vote. Do you seriously think that he won Iowa because of the overwhelming black majority there??? Obama has had to work hard to win black votes in America because many black Americans didn't really see him as identifying with them...hell, he went to Harvard and is a big-shot lawyer. It wasn't until his wife started directly targeting black Americans in her stump speeches that his numbers in the polls of black voters started to turn around. Obama never had a lock on the black voters. And to suggest that women vote for billary because (s)he's a (wo)man or that black people are all voting for Obama just because he's black shows a pretty small amount of respect for women or black people, I think. Like women and black people can't think for themselves and evaluate the politics of the candidates! It's certain that the only informed voters are definitely white males, after all, right?

Obama is doing well in the primary because he is a powerful speaker and he's galvanized people. I know all the 'movement' talk is rather hackneyed, but he and his supporters are simply much better at getting voters excited about their cause than hillary and her camp are. And he doesn't have the crazy zealot feel that Edwards did before he dropped out.

dinobot wrote:Wow, this is all so wrong. Black people aren't voting for him, because he's playing the white mans game and is just another uncle Tom to them. It's the pussy white liberals, who cry over slavery and hand out welfare checks like candy. I hate those people so much.

And no, Obama isn't a powerful speaker, he simply has that whole 'whoa I'm chill and smoke weed' vibe (which the weak minded would mistake for charisma). He never gives any meaningful explanations for what and how he's going to do things if he's elected.

Grooveman2007 wrote:Hillary Clinton get off the campaign trail and go make me a sandwich.

unriggable wrote:

Grooveman2007 wrote:Hillary Clinton get off the campaign trail and go make me a sandwich.

Did you see the 'Iron My Shirt' video yet? It's pretty funny.

Mr_Adams wrote:Alan Keyes is black, too. he ran in 2000 as well as now, why didn't the media make a big deal about that? I'm confused....

dinobot wrote:

Colossus wrote:Obama didn't rise to the status he has now because of the black vote. Do you seriously think that he won Iowa because of the overwhelming black majority there??? Obama has had to work hard to win black votes in America because many black Americans didn't really see him as identifying with them...hell, he went to Harvard and is a big-shot lawyer. It wasn't until his wife started directly targeting black Americans in her stump speeches that his numbers in the polls of black voters started to turn around. Obama never had a lock on the black voters. And to suggest that women vote for billary because (s)he's a (wo)man or that black people are all voting for Obama just because he's black shows a pretty small amount of respect for women or black people, I think. Like women and black people can't think for themselves and evaluate the politics of the candidates! It's certain that the only informed voters are definitely white males, after all, right?

Obama is doing well in the primary because he is a powerful speaker and he's galvanized people. I know all the 'movement' talk is rather hackneyed, but he and his supporters are simply much better at getting voters excited about their cause than hillary and her camp are. And he doesn't have the crazy zealot feel that Edwards did before he dropped out.

Wow, this is all so wrong. Black people aren't voting for him, because he's playing the white mans game and is just another uncle Tom to them. It's the pussy white liberals, who cry over slavery and hand out welfare checks like candy. I hate those people so much.

And no, Obama isn't a powerful speaker, he simply has that whole 'whoa I'm chill and smoke weed' vibe (which the weak minded would mistake for charisma). He never gives any meaningful explanations for what and how he's going to do things if he's elected.

mybike_yourface wrote:

Mr_Adams wrote:Alan Keyes is black, too. he ran in 2000 as well as now, why didn't the media make a big deal about that? I'm confused....

obama is black?

dinobot wrote:
Wow, this is all so wrong. Black people aren't voting for him, because he's playing the white mans game and is just another uncle Tom to them. It's the pussy white liberals, who cry over slavery and hand out welfare checks like candy. I hate those people so much.

And no, Obama isn't a powerful speaker, he simply has that whole 'whoa I'm chill and smoke weed' vibe (which the weak minded would mistake for charisma). He never gives any meaningful explanations for what and how he's going to do things if he's elected.

Snorri1234 wrote:

dinobot wrote:
Wow, this is all so wrong. Black people aren't voting for him, because he's playing the white mans game and is just another uncle Tom to them. It's the pussy white liberals, who cry over slavery and hand out welfare checks like candy. I hate those people so much.

And no, Obama isn't a powerful speaker, he simply has that whole 'whoa I'm chill and smoke weed' vibe (which the weak minded would mistake for charisma). He never gives any meaningful explanations for what and how he's going to do things if he's elected.

Wow, you are so stupid!

Napoleon Ier wrote:See...it's just those kind of "look at me I'm sooooo politically correct that I can leik totally run around insulting people who aren't 'cos the system is on my side" comment from snorri that just make me laugh so hard.

You can just imagine this hilarious little Dutch guy going red in the face and spasmodically blubbering uncontrollably as people dare to violate the taboo barriers of his cosy little pinko-leftist mental box-fort.

Go back and have a rant with your bisexual vegan ethnic friends snorarse...

Snorri1234 wrote:

Napoleon Ier wrote:See...it's just those kind of "look at me I'm sooooo politically correct that I can leik totally run around insulting people who aren't 'cos the system is on my side" comment from snorri that just make me laugh so hard.

You can just imagine this hilarious little Dutch guy going red in the face and spasmodically blubbering uncontrollably as people dare to violate the taboo barriers of his cosy little pinko-leftist mental box-fort.

Go back and have a rant with your bisexual vegan ethnic friends snorarse...

It's not that dinobot is not being pc, it's that he's being an absolute moron.
People don't support Obama cuz he's black.

Anyone who believes that is an idiot, period.

Napoleon Ier wrote:I honestly don't see any reason why anyone would want to vote Obama based on concrete policy.