Conquer Club

Why would you even care if 2 consenting adults got married? It's none of your business.

And if you're against gays, you're not thinking: more gay men mean more available women for the rest of us

Heimdall wrote:Why would you even care if 2 consenting adults got married? It's none of your business.

And if you're against gays, you're not thinking: more gay men mean more available women for the rest of us

Don't the lesbians kinda balance that out though?

hecter wrote:

Heimdall wrote:Why would you even care if 2 consenting adults got married? It's none of your business.

And if you're against gays, you're not thinking: more gay men mean more available women for the rest of us

Don't the lesbians kinda balance that out though?

I believe there's a greater ratio of gay men than lesbians. And a greater ratio of bi-sexual women than bi-sexual men.

Plus Jesus was surely gay so he would of probably supported gay marriage.

Anyone hanging out all the time with a bunch other guys half dressed an no women around must be gay...

hecter wrote:

Heimdall wrote:Why would you even care if 2 consenting adults got married? It's none of your business.

And if you're against gays, you're not thinking: more gay men mean more available women for the rest of us

Don't the lesbians kinda balance that out though?

Nah, I've seen lesbians in films. They're pretty open minded when it comes to shagging - men are more often than not included in their sordid affairs.

Sad to see such a majority in the voting against gay marriage. People are free to do what they choose - provided that all other other parties are okay to be involved.

Hey, here's one for those with 'Christian objections' - how about God gave them free will to do as they please?

Oh, and as someone posted above - read Leviticus. Many of these have been posted above, but I'd like to add the part where the Bible tells you it's okay to stone children to death if they insult their parents (Leviticus 20).

Most people I know who object to gays marrying, or being together do so because they think it's 'wrong' or 'disgusting', but can never justify these arguments. It's a fear of the unknown and just repeating what they were told when they were younger.

lcb11 wrote:Hey, here's one for those with 'Christian objections' - how about God gave them free will to do as they please?

No no no, you don't understand... God gave us free-will to do as we please, but then wrote a big invisible list of arbitrary things that he didn't like; then he made it so that we'd be tortured in hell, and subjected to agony, fire and torment for all eternity if we did any of those things without saying sorry to him afterwards.

But remember, he loves you even while you're being subjected to torment at his own hands.

Come on man, how does it not make 100% sense to you?

Heimdall wrote:Plus Jesus was surely gay so he would of probably supported gay marriage.

This is also true in every possible way.

Word up brother Heimdall.

Well civil partnerships are not equal to marriage in the uk .
there are a hole host of discrimination that are still sanctioned by the state .

just an example that is bothering me and my wife a the moment .

I am trying to find a joint burial plot for us ,and finding i nearly in possible

to find a cemetery that will let us be together and have a head stone .this kind of discrimination would not be applied to a heterosexual couple.

so yes i do want gay marriage to be legal in all aspects for wile its called any thing else its always going to be treated as something less .

and its not because i want some god to give sanction to my marriage that i wish it to be called the same ,its because i want the same rights as any one else .

satanspaladin wrote:Well civil partnerships are not equal to marriage in the uk .
there are a hole host of discrimination that are still sanctioned by the state .

just an example that is bothering me and my wife a the moment .

I am trying to find a joint burial plot for us ,and finding i nearly in possible

to find a cemetery that will let us be together and have a head stone .this kind of discrimination would not be applied to a heterosexual couple.

so yes i do want gay marriage to be legal in all aspects for wile its called any thing else its always going to be treated as something less .

and its not because i want some god to give sanction to my marriage that i wish it to be called the same ,its because i want the same rights as any one else .

Really? That's absolutely atrocious ... hope you manage to find somewhere

I suppose most (all?) graveyards are owned by some church or other & so would see you as being highly immoral or something, because obviously being in love with someone in the wrong 50% of the population is bad, m'kay?

Doesn't make it right, though. Know this sounds obvious (so you probably have), but had you tried conning them by calling your wife "your partner" and not letting on about her gender? Know you shouldn't need to do that, but if once you can start getting couples buried together without being discriminated against because of their sexuality (through deception or whatever), then it'll make it easier for future couples to do likewise...

First of I am from Denmark where Gay people can get married.

Here is my statement: They should be able to get legally married in all the world.
Why? well because a marrige is a way for two people (gay or straight) to show their love for each other and to make it public.
In Denmark you can get legally marriede as a gay couple but not in the church (we are discussing that at the moment).

Greven wrote:Why? well because a marrige is a way for two people (gay or straight) to show their love for each other and to make it public.

No it's FOR GOD!

Snorri1234 wrote:

Greven wrote:Why? well because a marrige is a way for two people (gay or straight) to show their love for each other and to make it public.

No it's FOR GOD!

It is hard as hell to have an intellegent discussion about this kind of thing. Make god come down and say that marrige is for him and you have a case.
At the same time, I have to get god to come down at say that it is to show their love, before I have a case.
Screw this I'm out of here.

Greven wrote:

Snorri1234 wrote:

Greven wrote:Why? well because a marrige is a way for two people (gay or straight) to show their love for each other and to make it public.

No it's FOR GOD!

It is hard as hell to have an intellegent discussion about this kind of thing. Make god come down and say that marrige is for him and you have a case.
At the same time, I have to get god to come down at say that it is to show their love, before I have a case.
Screw this I'm out of here.

Yeah I know. For some weird reason christian fundies believe they invented the term "marriage" and are worshipping a guy who preached tolerance, which they interpret as a reason to discriminate against gays, women, atheists, other religions and basically anyone with a different viewpoint.

It seems to be that gay marriage is a scape goat for socially conservative people to blame the ills of American society on. They claim that gay marriage will be a detriment to the family, the most basic and necessary human social unit. As a child of divorced parents I can say that divorce pretty much takes the cake when it comes to ruining the familiar unit.

I have relatives and friends who are gay and I can say this with 100% certainty, if/when they are to get married and create a family of their own, they will be a much happier and productive family than I have ever known.

Gay marriage will happen in the not too distant future because, as this thread has discovered, those opposed have no true basis for their argument (no offense) and the whole debate is based on emotional reasoning which fails any logical discussion.

Here it is again. Government's should stop focussing all their concerns on this topic and focus on more important things such as Military in Iraq and otherplaces. It shouldn't be that big of a problem, even though it is really grose. Let people do what they want and here are our troops fighting and dying and we are worying over something that isn't that comon. You can still belive it is wrong as I do but who cares. There are more important matters.

Jesse710 wrote:There are more important matters.

I agree that there are other important matters. But to say people being denied the right to live with security and happiness is not important is quite frankly unacceptable. Do I think the gay marriage debate gets too much press? Yes. Because there should be no debate. As long as there is one, it is important.

I said "yes" grudgingly, not because I think that all gays are evil, but because I would prefer to call it a civil-partnership, with similiar marraige rights, but without the actual name.

I think it has been scientifically proven that gay people are biologically born this way, and I have come to the thinking that it would be simply unfair not to allow them to the same benefits as married couples.

However. I am vehemently against "gay awareness" and "gay sex education" within schools.

plus Jesus was gay

Heimdall wrote:plus Jesus was gay

Hallelujah!

All my views have already been stated. I am for. Strongly. I can't believe "No" is winning this poll.

Norse wrote:I said "yes" grudgingly, not because I think that all gays are evil, but because I would prefer to call it a civil-partnership, with similiar marraige rights, but without the actual name.

I think it has been scientifically proven that gay people are biologically born this way, and I have come to the thinking that it would be simply unfair not to allow them to the same benefits as married couples.

However. I am vehemently against "gay awareness" and "gay sex education" within schools.

Why? Do you think that suddenly all the kids will become gay if they tell them about it?

Watch out! The gays are coming to get you!

Clive wrote:All my views have already been stated. I am for. Strongly. I can't believe "No" is winning this poll.

Yeah, well that's not big suprise, clivey-shnookums.

AlgyTaylor wrote:Watch out! The gays are coming to get you!

With their incredibly good sense of fashion and unbelievable ability to talk to women about emotional matters!

Norse wrote:

Clive wrote:All my views have already been stated. I am for. Strongly. I can't believe "No" is winning this poll.

Yeah, well that's not big suprise, clivey-shnookums.

while the problem probably could be fixed in a lot of ways by creating an a system that did grant equivalent rights in civil partnerships its important to understand two things.

1) as a society, we value the idea of getting married at somepoint in life. Therefore if people have a strong desire to get "married" they should be allowed to do so, because its a common expeirence to many of us.

2) the traditional notions of marriage do not reflect in many cases the majority or average of marriages in just about any country. To create laws under a system that is long gone, is not good social practice.