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im not the one with nothing to say your only points have been i dotn get the point im a dumbass and i should research. maybe you should do alittle research

Tyr wrote:im not the one with nothing to say your only points have been i dotn get the point im a dumbass and i should research. maybe you should do alittle research

excuse me for not playing a game that has nothign to do with communism as long as someone who is obviously very cofused as to what communism is

Tyr wrote:excuse me for not playing a game that has nothign to do with communism as long as someone who is obviously very cofused as to what communism is

your just spinning your wheels

im really not your evading the faults i pointed out in communism because you have no counter points

While I think a system with some Communist or Socialist influence would be best, anything that is predominantly communist should probably be avoided because of the entire "ruthless dictatorship" thing...

Basically, if you're going to choose a system, stay away from the absolutes. Absolute Anarchism (or at least the Steriotypical Teenage Anarchism) won't be cohesive enough, absolute Communism has a very short half life, absolute Capitalism (although never tried) will probably suffer the same fate as absolute Communism, just with companies, not the government.
If you choose a system with a bit of everything and choose well, then you'll have none of the problems of all these systems and all the benifits.

Neutrino wrote:While I think a system with some Communist or Socialist influence would be best, anything that is predominantly communist should probably be avoided because of the entire "ruthless dictatorship" thing...

Basically, if you're going to choose a system, stay away from the absolutes. Absolute Anarchism (or at least the Steriotypical Teenage Anarchism) won't be cohesive enough, absolute Communism has a very short half life, absolute Capitalism (although never tried) will probably suffer the same fate as absolute Communism, just with companies, not the government.
If you choose a system with a bit of everything and choose well, then you'll have none of the problems of all these systems and all the benifits.

point taken, however americas government now i do not agree with at all.

thats what democracy is.

Communism sucks...

Bigfalcon65 wrote:

Tyr wrote:in a utopian society it would work but ina utopia we wouldnt need a government would we?

well when we get one i guess that answer will be given.

I'm gonna start an utopia, wanna join?

you'll probably be surprised but i'm against. it simply isn't achievable. social democracy is best path by me. so socialism yes, communism no!

Simonov wrote:you'll probably be surprised but i'm against. it simply isn't achievable. social democracy is best path by me. so socialism yes, communism no!

I didn't see social democrats doing something really great for the people jet. But I'm a believer.

communism still sucks

Tyr wrote:communism still sucks

...because you weren't anywhere near communism?

what?

Tyr wrote:what?

Which communist countries have you visited Tyr? And in what period (year)?

none but that has nothing to do with it

muy_thaiguy wrote:

Arbustos wrote:Exactly... so what's with the examples?

Not really many examples. China went in between somewhere. Cuba, that went down the drain fast. Vietnam? As soon as we left, millions were slaughtered. North Korea? Tighter then jar of pickles is what is, and with millions starving. USSR was going strong for awhile, but at a high price, and it fell into chaos with many of the places that were under it's control being reduced to 3rd world nations.

Communism doesn't work well during transitions or changes. Gorbachev tried to streamline communism and loosen the grip on the media, which resulted in the exposure of the poor Russian lifestyle and problems which had been ignored by the government. China is a brilliant example of socialism.

China is steadily growing liberal and it's economy is growing fast. Vietnam is not a good example. After World War II, the Indochinese nations grew their economies fast due to US presence and support, but rapidly collapsed due to misused funds. When the communist governments took over, they couldn't help but to allow corruption because of a huge deficit.

North Korea was ruled well until that nutjob took over (yes, I'm a Chinese American commie and I think Kim's nuts). They don't call it the Russian Federation for any reason. The outlying republics are actually part of the Russian Federation and elect a general president for all of them. Chechnya tried to break off, but since Russian forces have that place under tight control they'll give their votes to Putin.

Cuba is a good country that became communist and Americans became paranoid and blockaded the poor nation. I think Castro might have made bad decisions, but look at Bush! Castro is a good example of a world leader.

Communism works best when under a good leader (as capitalism does as well). Communist China has a problem that Russia used to have. Low quality products being produced at pollution spreading factories all over the country. I'm positive that China will be better able to deal with this problem, but there will be much turmoil.

chinas not communist as i have already stated they just use the ocmmunist name for their one party system

Chris7He wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:

Arbustos wrote:Exactly... so what's with the examples?

Not really many examples. China went in between somewhere. Cuba, that went down the drain fast. Vietnam? As soon as we left, millions were slaughtered. North Korea? Tighter then jar of pickles is what is, and with millions starving. USSR was going strong for awhile, but at a high price, and it fell into chaos with many of the places that were under it's control being reduced to 3rd world nations.

Communism doesn't work well during transitions or changes. Gorbachev tried to streamline communism and loosen the grip on the media, which resulted in the exposure of the poor Russian lifestyle and problems which had been ignored by the government. China is a brilliant example of socialism.

China is steadily growing liberal and it's economy is growing fast. Vietnam is not a good example. After World War II, the Indochinese nations grew their economies fast due to US presence and support, but rapidly collapsed due to misused funds. When the communist governments took over, they couldn't help but to allow corruption because of a huge deficit.

North Korea was ruled well until that nutjob took over (yes, I'm a Chinese American commie and I think Kim's nuts). They don't call it the Russian Federation for any reason. The outlying republics are actually part of the Russian Federation and elect a general president for all of them. Chechnya tried to break off, but since Russian forces have that place under tight control they'll give their votes to Putin.

Cuba is a good country that became communist and Americans became paranoid and blockaded the poor nation. I think Castro might have made bad decisions, but look at Bush! Castro is a good example of a world leader.

Communism works best when under a good leader (as capitalism does as well). Communist China has a problem that Russia used to have. Low quality products being produced at pollution spreading factories all over the country. I'm positive that China will be better able to deal with this problem, but there will be much turmoil.

China? In a good way? Well, 200 million middle class may sound good, but considering that nearly everyone else is living in poverty and are brain washed (just ask some people there about tank man, I'll doubt that few, if anyone there would know about that.
Castro, hmmm, considering that thousands of Cubans were, and still are, fleeing from Cuba spells a different story for that. Same with North Korea. During the Korean War, North Korea invaded South Korea to unify it. But the leaders there asked the US for assistance in this. As the war went on, both sides captured prisoners, as that what genrally happens in wars, as you can expect, the South Korean and American troops wished to go home, while the North Korean troops wanted to stay in South Korea. What does that tell you? That North Korea was a horrible place to live, that's what.

China has a lot of poor people. Most of them are either self-subsistent farmers that haven't been incorporated into growing urban areas or factory/construction workers. China is trying to change itself.

Cuba's a hellhole because the US bastards won't trade with it. People have to smuggle Cuban products into the goddamn country. North Koreans are pretty much the same. China's the big boss and takes all of the trade that manages to get past Japan, but every thousand toys, you'll see MADE IN NORTH KOREA instead of MADE IN CHINA.

muy_thaiguy wrote:

Chris7He wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:

Arbustos wrote:Exactly... so what's with the examples?

Not really many examples. China went in between somewhere. Cuba, that went down the drain fast. Vietnam? As soon as we left, millions were slaughtered. North Korea? Tighter then jar of pickles is what is, and with millions starving. USSR was going strong for awhile, but at a high price, and it fell into chaos with many of the places that were under it's control being reduced to 3rd world nations.

Communism doesn't work well during transitions or changes. Gorbachev tried to streamline communism and loosen the grip on the media, which resulted in the exposure of the poor Russian lifestyle and problems which had been ignored by the government. China is a brilliant example of socialism.

China is steadily growing liberal and it's economy is growing fast. Vietnam is not a good example. After World War II, the Indochinese nations grew their economies fast due to US presence and support, but rapidly collapsed due to misused funds. When the communist governments took over, they couldn't help but to allow corruption because of a huge deficit.

North Korea was ruled well until that nutjob took over (yes, I'm a Chinese American commie and I think Kim's nuts). They don't call it the Russian Federation for any reason. The outlying republics are actually part of the Russian Federation and elect a general president for all of them. Chechnya tried to break off, but since Russian forces have that place under tight control they'll give their votes to Putin.

Cuba is a good country that became communist and Americans became paranoid and blockaded the poor nation. I think Castro might have made bad decisions, but look at Bush! Castro is a good example of a world leader.

Communism works best when under a good leader (as capitalism does as well). Communist China has a problem that Russia used to have. Low quality products being produced at pollution spreading factories all over the country. I'm positive that China will be better able to deal with this problem, but there will be much turmoil.

China? In a good way? Well, 200 million middle class may sound good, but considering that nearly everyone else is living in poverty and are brain washed (just ask some people there about tank man, I'll doubt that few, if anyone there would know about that.
Castro, hmmm, considering that thousands of Cubans were, and still are, fleeing from Cuba spells a different story for that. Same with North Korea. During the Korean War, North Korea invaded South Korea to unify it. But the leaders there asked the US for assistance in this. As the war went on, both sides captured prisoners, as that what genrally happens in wars, as you can expect, the South Korean and American troops wished to go home, while the North Korean troops wanted to stay in South Korea. What does that tell you? That North Korea was a horrible place to live, that's what.

couldnt have said it better

Chris7He wrote:China has a lot of poor people. Most of them are either self-subsistent farmers that haven't been incorporated into growing urban areas or factory/construction workers. China is trying to change itself.

Cuba's a hellhole because the US bastards won't trade with it. People have to smuggle Cuban products into the goddamn country. North Koreans are pretty much the same. China's the big boss and takes all of the trade that manages to get past Japan, but every thousand toys, you'll see MADE IN NORTH KOREA instead of MADE IN CHINA.

No, Cuba's hell hole started when Castro took power. And that is when Cubans began fleeing the country to come to the US.

The only thing China has changed, is that they have incoreperated Capitalism into their economic system, which has only done good. But only for certain areas. The rest is still coming from what Mao had, and they are stuck with where they are with no way to get out of it.

china can keep selling us cheap toys and t shirts but sooner or later the oppression gonna break the chinese and they will figght back sytarted to in tianamen sqaure but that was ruthlessly put down

muy_thaiguy wrote:

Chris7He wrote:China has a lot of poor people. Most of them are either self-subsistent farmers that haven't been incorporated into growing urban areas or factory/construction workers. China is trying to change itself.

Cuba's a hellhole because the US bastards won't trade with it. People have to smuggle Cuban products into the goddamn country. North Koreans are pretty much the same. China's the big boss and takes all of the trade that manages to get past Japan, but every thousand toys, you'll see MADE IN NORTH KOREA instead of MADE IN CHINA.

No, Cuba's hell hole started when Castro took power. And that is when Cubans began fleeing the country to come to the US.

The only thing China has changed, is that they have incoreperated Capitalism into their economic system, which has only done good. But only for certain areas. The rest is still coming from what Mao had, and they are stuck with where they are with no way to get out of it.

Um... people fled Cuba, because Castro was evicting Americans and mobsters. It's still strange to think of the Guantamano Bay American base in Cuba. It violates the Constitution.