Conquer Club

Posted: **Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:52 pm**

donkeylove wrote:
nemapredaje wrote:Many of you know me because I play CC from 2013 and longer with not used anymore older account.

This isn't the first time I have seen someone admit to having another account albeit unused, even thought the rules page clearly states:

Multiple accounts are discovered by routine scans and community cheating reports. They are strictly forbidden whether or not they play in the same games or are even in use. If you suspect certain accounts belong to the same person, please report it following the instructions at the top of the Cheating & Abuse Reports forum.

Can someone clarify when it is OK to disobey this rule?

I can't speak for why nemapredaje has an older account but I can tell you why I do....

I only played the bots a long time ago and couldn't remember my log-in information so I made a new account. Saw the rule that a 2nd account was not allowed so I told the first mod I saw in Global Chat about my original account and he couldn't find it... I know the email I used at the time had a fake name on it so my account probably did to which is why they couldn't find it and allowed me to have/use this account.

Posted: **Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:27 am**

nemapredaje, you misunderstood my post.
I was saying systematically inviting unexperienced people is forbidden, because someone else here said it wasn't.
I didn't say you did it.
I was speaking about general rule not about yourself specifically.

A lot of your last post are defending yourself unnecessarily. Like here

nemapredaje wrote: Okay, now you cross a line when you say about possible new accuse.

Shannon wasn't saying that either.

You misunderstood a lot of posts here I think, which lead you to believe people were accusing you while they were not.
Some did accuse you, but not as many as you think.

Posted: **Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:16 am**

Elaterate wrote:You all are too focused on the game chat of people saying they are noobs

Did a little more digging....

ZaBeast wrote:These are from your recent 40 or so finished games. >¼ of the players who admit to not knowing how to play those settings/having very little experience with those

Spoiler
[game]20652468[/game] [quote] 2021-02-08 06:02:32 - scoot2k4: Thanks for invite. Not sure I’m played this map. Good luck.

nemapredaje: Rematch?
scoot2k4: Different map? Just seems like whoever goes first has a big advantage. Or maybe trench? It was just ducks in a barrel for you

He was willing to play another game on the map if Trench was added!!!
scoot2k4 only 116 games played but A) a colonel, B) played the map 4 times before, winning 1 (his first), C) 3/4 of them where freestyle

Game 20652330

2021-02-01 05:17:32 - Nucker: Goodness gracious, no idea but I always accept invites. Maybe I will learn something

Nucker: 2500+ games played, Major ranking and 2800+ max ranking... he's no dummy and admitted he accepts invites (meaning all kinds of invites)

Game 20652357

2021-02-02 19:54:25 - burnsyj2011: I hate playing maps I really don't understand

burnsyj2011: 2000+ games played... only played map once before... NO WALL INVITE... Nothing said about being invited

Game 20652351

2021-01-30 00:39:05 - notsosmart: I have no idea about what’s going on here.

2021-01-29 22:39:05 - notsosmart: I have no idea about what’s going on here.
2021-01-30 04:21:48 - nemapredaje: bro,first what you need is read this map rules
2021-01-30 04:22:30 - nemapredaje: when you do that,then I can teach you how to play
notsosmart: 6900+ games played... Played map 5 times before... Don't see any wall invites

Game 20652483

2021-01-29 16:32:17 - airbornemojoe: playing a general on a new board to me? What could go wrong?

2021-01-31 20:56:30 - airbornemojoe: what's the key for me to focus on to win it?
nemapredaje answered this question on his wall which only has "invite" to a Rematch, not original game (I will say this one could've been deleted since his wall only has last 2 messages from nema)
Only 1k games and never on this map... LOW RANK #1

Game 20652472

2021-01-31 20:01:09 - MikeG500: first time playing this variant

MikeG500: less than 1k games played.... WAS walled for this game BUT he joined a "rematch" game 5 days!!! after the first game completed... and what's better than that?? He CURRENTLY has a public game up/waiting on the same map/settings!!!

Game 20652335

2021-01-29 16:52:07 - senatedream: I never played this one before

2021-01-29 14:52:07 - senatedream: I never played this one before
2021-01-30 04:14:10 - nemapredaje: now you play and lern
2021-01-30 04:14:30 - nemapredaje: this is good map because nobady knows how to play it
2021-01-30 06:41:33 - senatedream: I find it a bit busy, but that never stopped me before
senatedream: only 600 games played... but basically said he's down to play whatever... Never played the map before but accepted rematch "invite" from wall "invite"... no wall message for original game.

Game 20652329

2021-01-30 07:34:29 - Bada0Bing: why not...I need to learn some different maps. thanks for the invite
2021-01-31 08:59:03 - Bada0Bing: lucky for you I have no idea what I'm doing...lol

Never played map... Only 900+ games played but has achieved Brigadier before so no dummy here and admits he joined cause he wanted to learn a new map.... Yes a wall "invite" happened!!!

Game 20652487

2021-01-30 14:53:40 - DGAnkrom: Thanks for the invite. Why me? Don't know this very busy map.

2021-01-30 12:53:40 - DGAnkrom: Thanks for the invite. Why me? Don't know this very busy map.
2021-01-30 16:18:31 - nemapredaje: Idk why you.. Probably because you was online... and I sent you inv...
2021-01-31 06:38:15 - DGAnkrom: Any tips?
2021-01-31 10:19:18 - nemapredaje: Later I will told you.... and he did on his wall
DGAnkrom: 2800+ games played... none on this map... was walled for game and Rematch which he declined

Game 20652352

2021-01-31 06:28:00 - Krull5: lol ,no idea how to play this

2021-01-31 04:28:00 - Krull5: lol ,no idea how to play this
2021-01-31 04:48:36 - nemapredaje: 1. Secure white top
2021-01-31 04:50:04 - nemapredaje: 2. Finnish game with securing beaches around tellow gun not ,,top,,(lol,top is Croat word xD)
Time stamps show nemapredaje giving advice 30min after Krull5's comment.
Krull5: 2300+ games played... never played map before... major ranking... another "not a dummy, should've known what he was getting into"... 183 Freestyle games played.... should've looked that up on everyone else too lol

Game 20652522

2021-01-29 20:25:52 - conquerhero: Thanks for the invite - I think. Haven't played this map in years.

Game 20652358

2021-01-30 21:20:40 - jaanyavan: Too complicated for me lol

These next two I don't even have to look up... experienced enough players to understand what they where getting into with or without an invite.

Game 20652359

2021-01-30 10:38:11 - dorsettrob: no idea what going on on this map. lol

2021-01-30 08:38:11 - dorsettrob: no idea what going on on this map. lol
2021-01-30 15:32:08 - nemapredaje: If you need help just ask me
dorsettrob: 24k games played!!!... 3 games on this map before this game and he won 2 of 3... 1400+ freestyle games[/spoiler]

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More digging to come....

Posted: **Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:25 am**

If you take a GOOD, HARD look at his last 40 or so games you will notice a pattern that kinda proves he wasn't targeting low ranked players.... Let me know when you see it

HINT* The pattern has nothing to do with the opponents rank but it's all about the opponents

Posted: **Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:01 am**

E, I don't think it matters how many games his opponents have, freestyle on that map is rough.
I don't see any problem with him having 100 open games at all times so that people could join. My issue is with him posting invites on tens or hundreds or walls and sending invites to those games.

What would happen if everyone did that? It's true that you can decline but eventually you wiill find people to play that and suck at it.
And like others said here: he was just warned so i don't understand what's the whole fuss about.

Edit: Also, accusing of bullying him, c'mon...
The only one bullying something is him on the English language.

Posted: **Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:02 am**

Sorry Nema ... ,
I am not aware and up to speed with all rules en regulations. your story is long and I can't follow. I have played games with you that were all fine. No problem there at all. I too have had issues run by those who run the website. All good. My experience is that they took time and effort to look at all the things that were being said and brought in. I have no idea about clans, gangs, mobs or what ever. I am sure these things happen as do a lot of very good other things. We are like little society. Politics will happen

I wish you good luck with whatever it is thats going on here. And I wish those that need to decide anything clarity and sanity of mind.
Best Joan.

Posted: **Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:06 am**

Regardless of whether there was farming and/or intent to, the question asked originally, i.e. if caff was in his right to file a report is a clear yes

Posted: **Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:48 am**

ZaBeast wrote:Regardless of whether there was farming and/or intent to, the question asked originally, i.e. if caff was in his right to file a report is a clear yes

Yes, anyone can file a report for any reason they feel like... He didn't ask if caff was "in his right"... he was asking if it's ok to file a BS report and I don't believe it is. Is going to the police station and filing a false report RIGHT? It's within you're right to do so if you're that stupid but doesn't make it right. Caff saw something he thought wasn't right and made a report claiming "FARMING" and linked 3/5 games that had no invites.

If you send me 2 invites to a map/settings I don't know and I accept...then go and willingly join another game you have up on map/settings I don't know... it's within my rights to report you for farming/ranching for the 2 games... but would it be right for me to report you for all 3??

i-andrei wrote:E, I don't think it matters how many games his opponents have, freestyle on that map is rough.

Freestyle on most maps can be rough but yes total games played DOES matter because some of these games in question had NO invites or wall messages. People joined some of his games with no invite... said in chat they didn't know the map very well... and that's proof he was farming or ranching?? (not saying you said that)... but like I said before, people are too focused on just the games played and some of the chat in some of those games.... not ALL the facts.

Someone with 5k, 10k, 20k+ games has some idea what they are getting into when joining a game on a map/settings they are not familiar with... with or without an invite.

i-andrei wrote:My issue is with him posting invites on tens or hundreds or walls and sending invites to those games.

What would happen if everyone did that?

Not sure what would happen if everyone did it but it's actually ok to do... if it's for a Tournament... which doesn't make sense to me.

Posted: **Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:35 am**

Conquer clubs guide to make a mountain out of a mole-hill...

Posted: **Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:27 am**

nema messaged me to look at this topic - I have played three 1v1 games and lost 20 points - I joined knowing I had no chance of winning but, rather with a view of learning something from nema; samed as I have joined other high ranked players in 1v1 games; some are awesome with advice

Reading through the comments for this UNSCORED game I feel the comments between nema and SS should have been private, since they were playing a new player.

The original post that upset nema and king achilles commented on, should have ended it there.

Importantly, there is a serious language barrier, certainly nema does not always understanding the nuances of english and makes wrong interpretations; and does not use it correctly when responding, sounding very aggressive which I trust was not the intention.

nema best you foe the players you don't agree with and those who don't agree with you.

Posted: **Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:56 am**

This thread is a lovely story of how one clown became two.

Posted: **Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:12 am**

narutoserigala wrote:
Extreme Ways wrote:Use of language doesn't help you here, but you can always try to report harassment or foe people. Poor man naruto is a well-known farmer too btw, and I'm sure people didn't like getting the 5th invite for Josko's tourney after rejecting the previous 4 either.

Best option if admin does not deem is as excessive harassment is to foe and move on.
There is a big difference, I don't invite anyone to my Schloss games.Even if someone wants to rematch with me (whether they won or lost), they still don't get invite back. Reason is, my games are public. Anyone from top ranked players to the bottom have equal chance to play, first come first serve. This means, I have no way of knowing who my next opponent is and right now, I am in a game with a private who has played more Schloss than me, and he knows what he is doing here. Often I also find myself in tough situations, thanks to the strange dice gap.

So, what kind of farmer allows himself to be put in that situation, even more so with me, to create those public games? You are just confused and don't know what farming means.

I believe people have mentioned that you foed them because they win too much. I understand now wanting to play certain skillful players because their score undervalues them, but that is what would make it farming for me. If you don't, well then good on you. At least your skill is recognised whether you farm or not

ZaBeast wrote:Regardless of whether there was farming and/or intent to, the question asked originally, i.e. if caff was in his right to file a report is a clear yes

/thread.

Posted: **Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:38 am**

If you are asked to stop doing something then stop. I for one dont like people who try to set up games to farm as it debases the rating system. Guess i should be pleased you havent selected me.

Posted: **Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:55 am**

While people can decline/ignore wall posts and invites, the not-spamming-walls thing is just a soft patriarchism and that's a good thing. Similar to (in European law), default settings for e.g. cookies or newsletters favor the consumer rather than the company.

Posted: **Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:38 am**

Extreme Ways wrote:
narutoserigala wrote:
Extreme Ways wrote:Use of language doesn't help you here, but you can always try to report harassment or foe people. Poor man naruto is a well-known farmer too btw, and I'm sure people didn't like getting the 5th invite for Josko's tourney after rejecting the previous 4 either.

Best option if admin does not deem is as excessive harassment is to foe and move on.
There is a big difference, I don't invite anyone to my Schloss games.Even if someone wants to rematch with me (whether they won or lost), they still don't get invite back. Reason is, my games are public. Anyone from top ranked players to the bottom have equal chance to play, first come first serve. This means, I have no way of knowing who my next opponent is and right now, I am in a game with a private who has played more Schloss than me, and he knows what he is doing here. Often I also find myself in tough situations, thanks to the strange dice gap.

So, what kind of farmer allows himself to be put in that situation, even more so with me, to create those public games? You are just confused and don't know what farming means.
I believe people have mentioned that you foed them because they win too much. I understand now wanting to play certain skillful players because their score undervalues them, but that is what would make it farming for me. If you don't, well then good on you. At least your skill is recognised whether you farm or not

ZaBeast wrote:Regardless of whether there was farming and/or intent to, the question asked originally, i.e. if caff was in his right to file a report is a clear yes
You are wrong again. It is not that they win too much, one guy who never won who talked as if he did, I foed. He is actually a bad player and it was more of a bad attitude that got him in my foe list.... & that is permanent. There are other reasons for foeing but these are temporary (unlike bad attitude above) but I can assure you, not because player is skillful. Such players are always welcomed because I enjoy a good war. As this has been discussed so much before, there is really no point to discuss my foeing policy further.
/thread.

Posted: **Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:57 am**

Okay, let's finnish this.
Admins says : nemapredaje Isn't guilty.
Admins says : IamCaffeine and his company didn't harass nemapredaje

And this all theater is useless

But IamCaffeine, Extreme way and NSS I will watching you all the time and with great pleasure I will report you when you will make tiny mistake.

But you don't need bother with me, because now I can play only 4 games.

Posted: **Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:37 am**

You asked for my opinion. So...foe and move on! People can choice if join the game or not. I played 1 time and decided not play again. Peace and love.

Posted: **Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:56 am**

nemapredaje wrote:Okay, let's finnish this.
Admins says : nemapredaje Isn't guilty.
Admins says : IamCaffeine and his company didn't harass nemapredaje

And this all theater is useless

But IamCaffeine, Extreme way and NSS I will watching you all the time and with great pleasure I will report you when you will make tiny mistake.

But you don't need bother with me, because now I can play only 4 games.

Lol ok. Havent reported you. Havent instigated anything. Again. Leave me alone. I wouldnt know who you are if you didnt bother me on a daily basis with messages, forum posts, and wall posts.

Posted: **Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:15 am**

2dimes wrote:I tried to play a new recruit on doodle earth. The game filled right way. Tried a second, same thing. Then I was promptly stomped in both games.

Farming is no fun for me.

did you win both ?

Posted: **Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:16 am**

nemapredaje wrote:Okay, let's finnish this.
Admins says : nemapredaje Isn't guilty.
Admins says : IamCaffeine and his company didn't harass nemapredaje

And this all theater is useless

But IamCaffeine, Extreme way and NSS I will watching you all the time and with great pleasure I will report you when you will make tiny mistake.

But you don't need bother with me, because now I can play only 4 games.

Hmm, not sure why you're lumping me with Caff and NSS. I've posted my opinion on whether you were farming or not, and also mentioned in your defense that your games would be difficult to fill the normal way. I politely thanked you for the invite to your game and didn't bring it up until now either. You havent been rude to me either (except a long time ago), so idk.

I would lump myself with the likes of Shannon, Don here.

This theater was useless from the beginning imo.

@naruto point taken.

Posted: **Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:19 am**

HardAttack wrote:
2dimes wrote:I tried to play a new recruit on doodle earth. The game filled right way. Tried a second, same thing. Then I was promptly stomped in both games.

Farming is no fun for me.
did you win both ?

Actually getting stomped means losing real badly.
Like thoroughly beat down in a short period of time.
I'm on a streak. I have not won against humans in quite a long time.

Posted: **Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:46 am**

Everything what come from Caff, need to be permanently deleted

Here is one suggestion to advance site...to be allowed to foe someone to post on your wall or to send message, same as you can foe someone for game invite....

Posted: **Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:47 am**

2dimes wrote:
HardAttack wrote:
2dimes wrote:I tried to play a new recruit on doodle earth. The game filled right way. Tried a second, same thing. Then I was promptly stomped in both games.

Farming is no fun for me.
did you win both ?
Actually getting stomped means losing real badly.
Like thoroughly beat down in a short period of time.
I'm on a streak. I have not won against humans in quite a long time.

nice

Posted: **Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:48 am**

misteryforall wrote:Everything what come from Caff, need to be permanently deleted

Here is one suggestion to advance site...to be allowed to foe someone to post on your wall or to send message, same as you can foe someone for game invite....

if you foe someone they cant post on your wall.. and you can set up a rule in your inbox to auto delete PMs from foes.

also not sure where i've done anything wrong here but ok lol

Posted: **Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:38 pm**

Elaterate wrote: Bottom line... he WALLED people... and some joined, some didn't. Fucking stupid that anyone would call this farming.

Actually, that's exactly how farming is done. (Not necessarily the wall part... might be game invites, might be wall posts, might be PMs). If you take a complex map on difficult settings that you have rehearsed many times, your win rate will probably be better than 99%. Even the best players on the site will only be 50/50, because they don't play that map every day like you do. (Using "you" in the sense of the hypothetical scenario, not specifically meaning you the poster.)

But very few of the best players will bother you, because they have their own priorities on the board and don't often join pick-up games.

Most of who will join will be either:

People who are curious, see the complex map, think "that might be interesting, I'll give it a shot." They know they'll probably lose, but the figure their chances are probably in the 20% range, not in the 1% range. They don't realize it's a well-oiled trap. or,
People for whom playing games is mainly a social activity, who aren't hard-core competitive but like to play games with other people. They think, "oh this guy wants to play a game, yeah I'd much rather play with someone who take the time to post on my wall than all these other people who never talk at all." Humans are inherently social.

So, if you send out 1000 requests, 800 people will be smart enough to say, 'f*ck off', but 100 will join because they're curious, and another 100 will join because it's the friendly thing to do. That's a couple hundred people each losing 5 or 10 points, for a gain of something between 1000 and 2000 points. And there will probably be a couple in there who will win despite the odds, and you might have to give back 100 or 200 points, but you'll still have a net gain probably well over 1000 points. Enough to make the difference between a colonel and a general.

There's no great harm done to any of them. They each waste a bit of time and lose a small number of points. The harm is to the others on the scoreboard, who are working hard at inching their way up and just got leapfrogged. It isn't sporting. It is textbook farming.

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