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Re: Biden presidency predictions
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:01 pm
by Zieborn
Dukasaur wrote:
In case you are interested in having a civil discussion, I'll tell you this: I wasn't always a leftist. In fact, quite the opposite. I used to be a libertarian activist, and in the Reagan-Thatcher era I celebrated their successes. I have gradually moved to the left over the years because I realized that we on the right were, in fact, being hoodwinked. There used to be theories. They went by many names -- monetarist, supply-side, classical liberalism, trickle-down -- and their common thread was that if you were to cut taxes, reduce regulations, kick out the unions, stop giving people handouts, you would unleash the power of the economy and have a huge boom, and yes, the rich would get first kick at the can, but eventually the money would trickle down to the poor also and raise their income proportionately. A rising tide lifts all boats!...
When I was a kid, if you met a poor person, it was a safe bet that they were unemployed. Today, that isn't true. Most poor people work, many work two or three shit-paying jobs, and still can't make ends meet. It was all a lie.
It was always assumed that the rich would get the bulk of the benefit of the bursting economy. But most people, whether left or right, assumed that they would give some of the benefit to the workers. Almost everyone, both on the left and right, really did believe that a rising tide would life all boats. I don't think anybody 40 years ago would have believed you if you told them that companies who just had their best year ever would celebrate by cutting the wages of their staff. Nobody is surprised when struggling companies do it, but when companies posting record profits continue to kick people in the nuts, continue chiseling away, cutting wages and benefits, you come to realize that trickle-down was bullshit from the beginning...
You're so very close to the truth. You are right. You have been hoodwinked. Leftism will never be the answer though. And stuff like your friend happens here in Canada all the time. My father in law is struggling through a hernia and bad back to keep working, and he's in quarantine jail every time he comes home. He hasn't seen our kids in 6 months. Work in pain, go back, work in pain, go back, on and on. He can't afford to retire. It always amazes me that so many of you think more socialist countries are how they are not. If they won't split the money from their companies, why do you think they'll split it from their treasuries? There are the elites; there is us. I can put it in Marxist terms for you if you like.
The bourgeoisie have convinced a pile of proletarians that they should share the globalist worldview of the bourgeoisie. They did this largely through Universities and the media. They have no intention of sharing the bourgeois lifestyle though (hence student loans that can't be discharged in bankruptcy). They just want you to share their worldview. Then they can make you hate the other half of the proletariat. Every time you call an out of work factory worker a racist, or make fun of flyover country, you're misidentifying your enemies and helping your actual oppressors. Then they make you cheer when their billion dollar companies put some dumb flag or tweet up, despite their companies being evil. And if anyone should point that out, say on twitter, your bourgeoisie Manchurian training will kick in and you'll do their police work for them.
Re: Biden presidency predictions
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:43 am
by jimboston
It seems like Zieborn and Ram are the same?
Re: Biden presidency predictions
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:50 am
by Zieborn
jimboston wrote:It seems like Zieborn and Ram are the same?
How in the world would you think that? I think Ram appears to be a Republican or conservative. I don't even vote because politics is utterly corrupt and pointless. I think Dukasuar and I have slightly more in common than me and Ram (if I'm reading Ram right), Dukasaur just doesn't see the whole picture.
Re: Biden presidency predictions
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:15 pm
by Dukasaur
Not ignoring you, but today is my first day off in more than a week, and I'm not going to waste any part of it on politics!
Re: Biden presidency predictions
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:28 pm
by Zieborn
Dukasaur wrote:Not ignoring you, but today is my first day off in more than a week, and I'm not going to waste any part of it on politics!
Maybe you do see the big picture after all. Enjoy.
Re: Biden presidency predictions
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:02 pm
by 2dimes
Dukasaur wrote:Not ignoring you, but today is my first day off in more than a week, and I'm not going to waste any part of it on politics!
Well I hope you're having some low carb sugar free ice cream or something.
Re: Biden presidency predictions
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:40 pm
by Jdsizzleslice
Zieborn wrote:jimboston wrote:It seems like Zieborn and Ram are the same?
I don't even vote because politics is utterly corrupt and pointless.
I agree that politics is corrupt, but there is such a doctrine as choosing the lesser of two evils.
Re: Biden presidency predictions
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 7:33 pm
by Zieborn
Jdsizzleslice wrote:Zieborn wrote:jimboston wrote:It seems like Zieborn and Ram are the same?
I don't even vote because politics is utterly corrupt and pointless.
I agree that politics is corrupt, but there is such a doctrine as choosing the lesser of two evils.
I'm Christian. I don't pick sides when demons battle each other. Right now it's globalism vs globalism. There's no right choice, and voting is consent. I don't consent to be governed by them. I will render onto Caesar what is his, but I won't consent to him ruling me.
Re: Biden presidency predictions
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:44 pm
by mookiemcgee
Zieborn wrote:Jdsizzleslice wrote:Zieborn wrote:jimboston wrote:It seems like Zieborn and Ram are the same?
I don't even vote because politics is utterly corrupt and pointless.
I agree that politics is corrupt, but there is such a doctrine as choosing the lesser of two evils.
I'm Christian. I don't pick sides when demons battle each other. Right now it's globalism vs globalism. There's no right choice, and voting is consent. I don't consent to be governed by them. I will render onto Caesar what is his, but I won't consent to him ruling me.
Re: Biden presidency predictions
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:46 pm
by Jdsizzleslice
Zieborn wrote:Jdsizzleslice wrote:Zieborn wrote:jimboston wrote:It seems like Zieborn and Ram are the same?
I don't even vote because politics is utterly corrupt and pointless.
I agree that politics is corrupt, but there is such a doctrine as choosing the lesser of two evils.
I'm Christian. I don't pick sides when demons battle each other. Right now it's globalism vs globalism. There's no right choice, and voting is consent. I don't consent to be governed by them. I will render onto Caesar what is his, but I won't consent to him ruling me.
I definitely understand your position, and your right to do nothing in a situation where you feel either choice is bad. What I am saying is that when faced with a choice between something that could be bad and that has the potential to be bad versus something that you know is absolutely bad, there sometimes needs to be a course of action as opposed to doing nothing. History is filled with individuals who sacrificed comfort for morality and security.
On the more spiritual side of things, what if God told you to vote for a particular person? What if the Spirit was leading you to make a specific political decision? Would you listen, and what course of action would you choose to follow? It's not always an easy question to answer as flawed humans. I understand your sentiment, but I would caution against never saying never.
Thanks for your response,
Jd
Re: Biden presidency predictions
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:59 am
by Zieborn
mookiemcgee wrote:Zieborn wrote:Jdsizzleslice wrote:Zieborn wrote:jimboston wrote:It seems like Zieborn and Ram are the same?
I don't even vote because politics is utterly corrupt and pointless.
I agree that politics is corrupt, but there is such a doctrine as choosing the lesser of two evils.
I'm Christian. I don't pick sides when demons battle each other. Right now it's globalism vs globalism. There's no right choice, and voting is consent. I don't consent to be governed by them. I will render onto Caesar what is his, but I won't consent to him ruling me.
Never underestimate my level of crazy.
Re: Biden presidency predictions
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:31 am
by Zieborn
Jdsizzleslice wrote:
On the more spiritual side of things, what if God told you to vote for a particular person? What if the Spirit was leading you to make a specific political decision? Would you listen, and what course of action would you choose to follow? It's not always an easy question to answer as flawed humans. I understand your sentiment, but I would caution against never saying never.
Thanks for your response,
Jd
If he told me to feed myself to the lions, I would. So if he told me to mark an X on a piece of paper every four years or so, I certainly would. I just don't see that happening.
First, I think democracy will always end the same: A set of parasitic elites will eventually take over the power, and the people will "vote" between them and be all the more compliant for their illusion of choosing the people who pillage them.
Second, one has to watch out for what C.S. Lewis calls "Christianity AND." Christianity AND politics can get you things like Neocons and endless war or "Social Justice" obsessed tyranny like we have today. The AND always ends up pushing the Christianity aside.
Re: Biden presidency predictions
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:03 pm
by saxitoxin
jimboston wrote:It seems like Zieborn and Ram are the same?
pay not attention to jimboston, Zieborn, he's from Massachusetts
and mookiemcgee is from California
THE TWO WORST PLACES IN THE WORLD!!!
Re: Biden presidency predictions
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:41 pm
by mookiemcgee
saxitoxin wrote:jimboston wrote:It seems like Zieborn and Ram are the same?
pay not attention to jimboston, Zieborn, he's from Massachusetts
and mookiemcgee is from California
THE TWO WORST PLACES IN THE WORLD!!!
What about the shithole countries?
Re: Biden presidency predictions
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:45 pm
by Zieborn
mookiemcgee wrote:saxitoxin wrote:jimboston wrote:It seems like Zieborn and Ram are the same?
pay not attention to jimboston, Zieborn, he's from Massachusetts
and mookiemcgee is from California
THE TWO WORST PLACES IN THE WORLD!!!
What about the shithole countries?
He's got you there. Although, after the breakup next decade, California will be a shithole country.
Re: Biden presidency predictions
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:14 pm
by jonesthecurl
saxitoxin wrote:jimboston wrote:It seems like Zieborn and Ram are the same?
pay not attention to jimboston, Zieborn, he's from Massachusetts
and mookiemcgee is from California
THE TWO WORST PLACES IN THE WORLD!!!
Obviously you've never been to Basildon.
Re: Biden presidency predictions
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:44 pm
by mookiemcgee
Zieborn wrote:mookiemcgee wrote:saxitoxin wrote:jimboston wrote:It seems like Zieborn and Ram are the same?
pay not attention to jimboston, Zieborn, he's from Massachusetts
and mookiemcgee is from California
THE TWO WORST PLACES IN THE WORLD!!!
What about the shithole countries?
He's got you there. Although, after the breakup next decade, California will be a shithole country.
Oh man, America isn't going to be happy about losing our tax revenue... Saxi's new country gonna be broke AF!
(I'm assuming you are referring to the state of Jefferson movement, which has about -500% chance of becoming a reality.)
Re: Biden presidency predictions
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:55 pm
by mookiemcgee
saxitoxin wrote:jimboston wrote:It seems like Zieborn and Ram are the same?
pay not attention to jimboston, Zieborn, he's from Massachusetts
and mookiemcgee is from California
THE TWO WORST PLACES IN THE WORLD!!!
I thought you live in California too Saxi?
Re: Biden presidency predictions
Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:22 am
by jonesthecurl
That's why it's the worst.
Re: Biden presidency predictions
Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:00 am
by mookiemcgee
touché
Re: Biden presidency predictions
Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:32 am
by saxitoxin
mookiemcgee wrote:saxitoxin wrote:jimboston wrote:It seems like Zieborn and Ram are the same?
pay not attention to jimboston, Zieborn, he's from Massachusetts
and mookiemcgee is from California
THE TWO WORST PLACES IN THE WORLD!!!
I thought you live in California too Saxi?
I KNOW IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE, but the entire Pacific Coast from the Sea of Cortés to the Arctic Circle is not just called "California"
Re: Biden presidency predictions
Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:13 pm
by Zieborn
mookiemcgee wrote:
(I'm assuming you are referring to the state of Jefferson movement, which has about -500% chance of becoming a reality.)
What in the world is that? No. I'm talking about the fact that your empire is very obviously less than 2 decades from collapse.
Re: Biden presidency predictions
Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:32 pm
by The ram
Zieborn wrote:Jdsizzleslice wrote:Zieborn wrote:jimboston wrote:It seems like Zieborn and Ram are the same?
I don't even vote because politics is utterly corrupt and pointless.
I agree that politics is corrupt, but there is such a doctrine as choosing the lesser of two evils.
I'm Christian. I don't pick sides when demons battle each other. Right now it's globalism vs globalism. There's no right choice, and voting is consent. I don't consent to be governed by them. I will render onto Caesar what is his, but I won't consent to him ruling me.
Christianity is now run by globalists. MSM, government and the church all read from the same hymn sheet, so to speak
Re: Biden presidency predictions
Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:01 pm
by Zieborn
The ram wrote:
Christianity is now run by globalists.
The "church" is. Yes. Many a lukewarm "christian" is. Yes.
Christianity is not.
"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’"
Re: Biden presidency predictions
Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:32 pm
by Jdsizzleslice
Zieborn wrote:mookiemcgee wrote:
(I'm assuming you are referring to the state of Jefferson movement, which has about -500% chance of becoming a reality.)
What in the world is that?
There is a movement in Northern California/Southern Oregon counties to secede and to merge, creating the 51st state of Jefferson.
Zieborn wrote:The ram wrote:
Christianity is now run by globalists.
The "church" is. Yes. Many a lukewarm "christian" is. Yes.
Christianity is not.
"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’"
What Ram is saying is that the original tenets of Christianity have been thrown to the wayside in favor of "Progressive Christianity."