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Jdsizzleslice wrote:

mookiemcgee wrote:Which is is JD? He's not a member of BLM or Antifa... but he has fanatical support for their cause? He's an extremist Antifa BLM rabbid leftist, but he doesn't belong to any leftist organization nor does he generally attend rallies unless his employer bring him to one.

You can have fanatical support for a cause and not be a member of that cause... Yes. And you mean the same employer that illegally hired him to be there, and didn't pre-screen this individual?

mookiemcgee wrote:You didn't title this thread "Horrible Tragedy occurs as fight escalates in Downtown Denver", instead you chose "Rabbid BLM Leftist Murders Trump Supporter" and now your are seriously trying to claim it was sensationalistic???

I already explained why I chose the word rabid and gave you a few other drop-in replacement words to express my viewpoint. Yes, this individual believed extreme views, and acted upon them. That's not sensationalistic. Agree to disagree, I suppose.

mookiemcgee wrote: Your headline is Rabbit BLM leftist...but you never said he was BLM??? and there is nothing sensational about that in your mind? Come'on bro

Ok... Should I change the title to read "Rabbid BLM Supporting Leftist" then to meet your standards??? Adding the word "supporting" here doesn't add or take away from what I am trying to say...

mookiemcgee wrote: If someone attacks you with a weapon (you can spray mace in someones face from several feet away, and mace is a weapon, and being sprayed in the face with it is certainly an attack), and you are holding a weapon and use it to fight back that is pretty much the definition of self defense.

Victim was holding pepper spray the entire time. Pepper spray is not a lethal weapon, and didn't use the spray until the gun had been raised, aimed, and fired. Meaning that a case for self-defense is extremely thin and most likely won't hold up in court.

mookiemcgee wrote:You asked if you were being inaccurate or sensational. I simply pointed out all the ways in which you were doing both. I respect your right to have your own opinion even if it's entirely misinformed and was simply stating such

And I disagree that it is sensationalistic. And I have pointed out that your claims of misinformation do not align with the evidence of what we know. We can agree to disagree as long as we have a respectful conversation, but I see that may not be the case here based on your initial response.

I'm not suggesting you change anything about your posts, it is your opinion and you are welcome to share it. I'm only posting because you asked, what is inaccurate, and what is sensationalistic about what you posted. I've clearly pointed out both, and I could spend more time putting together more inaccuracies and sensationalistic things you said if you'd like. If you choose to disagree with me, well that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. Saying things and then denying you've said them and obfuscating the intentions of your own words by 'stretching' definitions... that's right out of the 'far right wing soapbox' playbook in 2020 and I doubt it surprises anyone. Choosing not to back up your claim he is a 'rabbid far leftist BLM supporter" with any actual evidence, and then repeating it in several additional posts, while simultaneously claiming you aren't being 'sensationalistic' will probably affect your credibility with some other readers here but hey it's totally ok for you to do that if you want.

Jdsizzleslice wrote:Gun was discharged before mace was expelled. The picture above proves this point.

So you think it's ok to murder people, degaston?

inaccuracies:
Gun was discharged before mace was expelled
There is a cloud of mace already covering the area, and the casing from what was by all accounts the single and only shot fired has just left the gun (you can see it in the image). Sound from multiple videos confirms the sounds of mace being sprayed comes first and then the gunshot sounds occurs. Are you claiming mace moves faster than a bullet fired from a gun?

Sensationalism (miriam webster - to describe or show something in a way that makes it seem more shocking than it really is.):
you think it's ok to murder people, degaston
Implying someone thinks murder is ok is highly sensationlistic. degaston did not say he thinks murder is ok, yet you are implying he does.

Jdsizzleslice wrote: Apparently, recording to reports, an altercation took place, where the security guard was initially smacked in the face. Both took a step back for a few moments, and then the security guard retaliated by shooting the man in the face.

inaccuracy:
Apparently, recording to reports, an altercation took place, where the security guard was initially smacked in the face. Both took a step back for a few moments, and then the security guard retaliated by shooting the man in the face.
You've rather conveniently left out the mace being sprayed in the mans face. This is a pivotal moment in the altercation, and leaving it out is inaccurate and shows your bias.

Jdsizzleslice wrote:

HitRed wrote:Are the police allowed to fire on rock throwing protestors?

No. All of THOSE shootings are completely and entirely unjustified.

Now if you're a Trump supporter, all bets are off...

So are you two suggesting the officer in the video below committed attempted murder by defending himself? JD you've said in this thread 'Mace isn't a deadly weapon' and therefore the shooter can't claim he was defending himself... so the officer here had no right to shoot this guy right? You believe he should be jailed???



I think both the officer in this video and the security guard in Denver both had a clear reason to fire a weapon in order to defend themselves.

Tim Pool is basically just to the left of Bernie Sanders in ideology right JD?

mookiemcgee wrote:Saying things and then denying you've said them and obfuscating the intentions of your own words by 'stretching' definitions... that's right out of the 'far right wing soapbox' playbook in 2020 and I doubt it surprises anyone. Choosing not to back up your claim he is a 'rabbid far leftist BLM supporter" with any actual evidence, and then repeating it in several additional posts, while simultaneously claiming you aren't being 'sensationalistic' will probably affect your credibility with some other readers here but hey it's totally ok for you to do that if you want.

Dude. I literally provided a video where a known journalist reads off social media posts from the shooter. You didn't like that source, so I gave you an article instead. Did you watch the video or read the article I linked to? Apparently not, because they will prove the shooter was a supporter of BLM and Antifa. I have backed up the claims I have made. You have just neglected to read those sources, which is your own problem. Not mine.

mookiemcgee wrote:inaccuracies:
Gun was discharged before mace was expelled
There is a cloud of mace already covering the area, and the casing from what was by all accounts the single and only shot fired has just left the gun (you can see it in the image). Sound from multiple videos confirms the sounds of mace being sprayed comes first and then the gunshot sounds occurs. Are you claiming mace moves faster than a bullet fired from a gun?

I used the word expelled for a specific reason. I chose that word carefully; it's not a play on words or anything like that. I was being quite literal. Pepper spray is an aerosol, so to expel an aerosol is not a bang-bang type of action that is represented in firearms. Pepper spray does take longer to reach the intended target, hence the word expelled was used. From the picture, the mace had not reached the shooter, and we can see the gun's slide moving back. Hence, the gun was aimed and fired before the pepper spray had been expelled.

mookiemcgee wrote:Sensationalism (miriam webster - to describe or show something in a way that makes it seem more shocking than it really is.):
you think it's ok to murder people, degaston
Implying someone thinks murder is ok is highly sensationlistic. degaston did not say he thinks murder is ok, yet you are implying he does.

No, I asked a direct question, to which he answered. I did not imply that he thinks it is ok, or else I would have just stated that.

mookiemcgee wrote:inaccuracy:
Apparently, recording to reports, an altercation took place, where the security guard was initially smacked in the face. Both took a step back for a few moments, and then the security guard retaliated by shooting the man in the face.
You've rather conveniently left out the mace being sprayed in the mans face. This is a pivotal moment in the altercation, and leaving it out is inaccurate and shows your bias.

Ok, let me re-write my previous comment to please your majesty:

Apparently, recording to reports, an altercation took place, where the security guard was initially smacked in the face. Both took a step back for a few moments, and the man with the gun aimed his pistol at the victim whilst the victim raised his hand with the pepper spray. Then the security guard retaliated by shooting the man in the face before the mace had reached him.

This doesn't change what I originally wrote, nor the facts that we do have.

mookiemcgee wrote:So are you two suggesting the officer in the video below committed attempted murder by defending himself? JD you've said in this thread 'Mace isn't a deadly weapon' and therefore the shooter can't claim he was defending himself... so the officer here had no right to shoot this guy right? You believe he should be jailed???

I think both the officer in this video and the security guard in Denver both had a clear reason to fire a weapon in order to defend themselves.

You have just committed the logical fallacy of a false equivalency. The scenario regarding the initial story and the incident you have just provided are completely different. The biggest main difference is that the man who used the pepper spray on the officer had it concealed and shielded the mace with his entire body. Let's also mention the fact that the suspect had warrants out for his arrest, and he was actively resisting arrest. There is reason to believe that the officer's life was in fear for his life due to all of these circumstances.

In the incident regarding the original story, the victim had the pepper spray in his hand the entire time and never tried to hide it or conceal it, not shield it with his body whilst using it. Let's not forget that the victim was also backed away from the shooter.

So no, the officer should not be guilty of murder in your proposed scenario.

And your logic doesn't add up with what took place during the events. Both people raised their voices with each other. Both people tried to reach for each other. Both took a step back. The victim paused, the shooter pulled out his gun. This is not a case of self-defense.

mookiemcgee wrote:Tim Pool is basically just to the left of Bernie Sanders in ideology right JD?

I wouldn't say that far left, but he is definitely a liberal.

Honestly, mookie, I feel as if I have explained my position numerous times and have given you numerous sources to back up my positions. If you haven't read them or watch the videos, then that's not on me. You can't claim that I don't back up my claims but then refuse to read the sources of which I base my claims.

We are going around in a circle not going anywhere in this conversation.

Jdsizzleslice wrote:

mookiemcgee wrote:Tim Pool is basically just to the left of Bernie Sanders in ideology right JD?

I wouldn't say that far left, but he is definitely a liberal.

Just a liberal chilling with his Proud Boy buddies...

mookiemcgee wrote:

Jdsizzleslice wrote:

mookiemcgee wrote:Tim Pool is basically just to the left of Bernie Sanders in ideology right JD?

I wouldn't say that far left, but he is definitely a liberal.

Just a liberal chilling with his Proud Boy buddies...

You do realize that the “Ok sign is white supremacist” started on 4chan as a meme...

Inacuracy: It's RABID ffs

Jdsizzleslice wrote:

mookiemcgee wrote:

Jdsizzleslice wrote:

mookiemcgee wrote:Tim Pool is basically just to the left of Bernie Sanders in ideology right JD?

I wouldn't say that far left, but he is definitely a liberal.

Just a liberal chilling with his Proud Boy buddies...

You do realize that the “Ok sign is white supremacist” started on 4chan as a meme...

You do realize that it was then adopted by white supremacists to signal their presence...
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/15/us/o ... power.html

degaston wrote:You do realize that it was then adopted by white supremacists to signal their presence...
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/15/us/o ... power.html

I swear, you only read headlines, bro. Lol. Read the articles you post.

From Mashable (one of the most left-leaning of sources):

The willingness to believe that anything can be a hate symbol only feeds the trolls. Before jumping to condemn what could be a perfectly innocent gesture, check if 4chan is shitposting again.

You are being trolled and triggered by a meme dude. Wake up.

Jdsizzleslice wrote:

degaston wrote:You do realize that it was then adopted by white supremacists to signal their presence...
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/15/us/o ... power.html

I swear, you only read headlines, bro. Lol. Read the articles you post.

From Mashable (one of the most left-leaning of sources):

The willingness to believe that anything can be a hate symbol only feeds the trolls. Before jumping to condemn what could be a perfectly innocent gesture, check if 4chan is shitposting again.

You are being trolled and triggered by a meme dude. Wake up.

In what way am I being "trolled and triggered"? You picked one quote out of the article to try to reverse its meaning. Here's another quote from your link:

"More people than not will use the OK symbol as just 'OK,'" he told NPR. "But in those cases where there's more underlining meaning, I think it's important for people to understand that it can be used, and is being used, for hate as well."

Both of those articles said that what was once an innocent gesture meaning OK was then used as a meme to troll liberals, and is now being used by racists as an actual white power symbol. That's all I wrote. Do you deny any of that?

The shooter has been charged with second degree murder.

They got this initial charge of 2nd degree murder right.

one in a row!!! - congrats...

Keefie wrote:Inacuracy: It's RABID ffs

I think jdizzle meant (((Rabbid)))

Jdsizzleslice wrote:The shooter has been charged with second degree murder.

They got this initial charge of 2nd degree murder right.

Of course he was charged. Now when it is the other side...what do you say to the families of Breonna Taylor?

mrswdk wrote:

Keefie wrote:Inacuracy: It's RABID ffs

I think jdizzle meant (((Rabbid)))

The Rabbid says "He don't know me too well, do he?"

nagerous wrote:

Jdsizzleslice wrote:The shooter has been charged with second degree murder.

They got this initial charge of 2nd degree murder right.

Of course he was charged. Now when it is the other side...what do you say to the families of Breonna Taylor?

That investigation was completed in full and no charges for murder were brought forth, and rightfully so.