Conquer Club

2dimes wrote: Firearms unfortunately are not even relevant to the murder described in the original post.

Just as a bit of a devils advocate here. A gun was not used, but that fact the officers were armed with guns may have been what stopped the bystanders from stopping the murder they were witnessing. The asian cop did at one point make a furtive moment towards his gun when he felt threatened, and when he did reach his hand to the gun the people backed off.

I'm not really saying cops shouldn't have guns or anything along those lines, but just suggesting the presence of firearms by the police, and the lack of firearms among the bystanders... those two facts had some impact on how things played out. One can imagine that if the cops didn't have guns one of the bystanders might have intervened and prevented the mans death (the fear of being shot is worse than the fear of being arrested). One can also imagine a situation where many bystanders were carrying guns, and could force some kind of standoff leading to the man being arrested in a way that didn't lead to his death.

THE FIGHTBACK HAS STARTED

Pro-democracy activists have burned Minneapolis police station to the ground, as the UN releases a statement decrying ‘entrenched and pervasive racial discrimination’ in the United States and its downtrodden populace begin to say ‘no more’ to the brutal regime:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52844192

The US President attempted to post violent threats against the activists on social media, but was swiftly censored:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52846679

These poor people have spent so long oppressed and marginalised that they can't even spell simple words in their own native language. But that has not stopped them from striking a swift blow against the hand that oppresses them:

2dimes wrote:Never mind that. I'm hoping he continues explaining how people live in Svalbard.

And he's pretending to be too busy. I'll get things started.

http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/2020051 ... -call-home

mookiemcgee wrote: One can also imagine a situation where many bystanders were carrying guns, and could force some kind of standoff

This is the Democrats election slogan in 2020 - Chaos and Anarchy. They promise to introduce unrestrained mayhem in the streets of America where police are powerless to intervene and where every heat-packing gunman runs his own block. They want to do to America what they've done to Downtown Detroit, South Central LA, Chicago, and virtually every city in which they've been put in charge. That's fine, that's a campaign promise the president can run against.

Maybe the slogan should be, "Hey, at least we don't need to move Chicago because of avalanches."

mookiemcgee wrote:Yeah, this is pretty fucked up. It's hard to watch, and should come with a warning that you are watching a man die slowly over 10 min.

I'm going to post a link, but not embed it because it's not something you should watch unintentionally.

https://youtu.be/3dvPfabCnfs

i can't watch it more than 1 minute. Oh, and congrats americans, showing a police officer choke a controled black man to death is fine content for youtube, but beware if some renaissance piece of art shows half a nipple. That is perma ban material from youtube.

I really hope that officer can't sleep at night and hears "please, please i can't breathe"

saxitoxin wrote:There are 7 billion people in the world, only 70 million of whom (1%) live in jurisdictions with unarmed police. If we are going to make policy because that's how they do it in the UK - and literally nowhere else - that's fine; I'll accept disarmed police once the Episcopal Church is made the official state religion of the United States, just like the COE in the UK.

it's 7,8 billions, get up to speed sax

saxitoxin wrote:

mookiemcgee wrote: One can also imagine a situation where many bystanders were carrying guns, and could force some kind of standoff

This is the Democrats election slogan in 2020 - Chaos and Anarchy. They promise to introduce unrestrained mayhem in the streets of America where police are powerless to intervene and where every heat-packing gunman runs his own block. They want to do to America what they've done to Downtown Detroit, South Central LA, Chicago, and virtually every city in which they've been put in charge. That's fine, that's a campaign promise the president can run against.

In what world of fake news do you live where the democrats are want more citizens to own guns, and Trump and Moscow Mitch want to restrict them?

Are you opposed to the entire constitution Saxi, or just the second amendment?

betiko wrote:

mookiemcgee wrote:Yeah, this is pretty fucked up. It's hard to watch, and should come with a warning that you are watching a man die slowly over 10 min.

I'm going to post a link, but not embed it because it's not something you should watch unintentionally.

https://youtu.be/3dvPfabCnfs

i can't watch it more than 1 minute. Oh, and congrats americans, showing a police officer choke a controled black man to death is fine content for youtube, but beware if some renaissance piece of art shows half a nipple. That is perma ban material from youtube.

I really hope that officer can't sleep at night and hears "please, please i can't breathe"

Apparently that is why the cops held him down so long. They knew they were being filmed and didn't want the man exposing his nipples to youtube.

mookiemcgee wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

mookiemcgee wrote: One can also imagine a situation where many bystanders were carrying guns, and could force some kind of standoff

This is the Democrats election slogan in 2020 - Chaos and Anarchy. They promise to introduce unrestrained mayhem in the streets of America where police are powerless to intervene and where every heat-packing gunman runs his own block. They want to do to America what they've done to Downtown Detroit, South Central LA, Chicago, and virtually every city in which they've been put in charge. That's fine, that's a campaign promise the president can run against.

In what world of fake news do you live where the democrats are want more citizens to own guns, and Trump and Moscow Mitch want to restrict them?

Are you opposed to the entire constitution Saxi, or just the second amendment?

Supporters of the 2nd Amendment believe in responsible firearms ownership not Wild West standoffs at high noon with the sheriff.

We also support the rigorous enforcement of firearms ownership bans against convicted felons, thereby ensuring most of the persons protesting in Minnesota are completely outgunned at all times.

Also, I'd just like to point out that the rioters in Minneapolis aren't obeying proper social distancing guidelines and are all gonna drop dead of COVID-19.

Anyway, it's a shame about Minnesota but it will teach them an important lesson about what happens when they put the DFL in charge. Another state descending into anarchy with amateurs at the helm.

saxitoxin wrote:

mookiemcgee wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

mookiemcgee wrote: One can also imagine a situation where many bystanders were carrying guns, and could force some kind of standoff

This is the Democrats election slogan in 2020 - Chaos and Anarchy. They promise to introduce unrestrained mayhem in the streets of America where police are powerless to intervene and where every heat-packing gunman runs his own block. They want to do to America what they've done to Downtown Detroit, South Central LA, Chicago, and virtually every city in which they've been put in charge. That's fine, that's a campaign promise the president can run against.

In what world of fake news do you live where the democrats are want more citizens to own guns, and Trump and Moscow Mitch want to restrict them?

Are you opposed to the entire constitution Saxi, or just the second amendment?

Supporters of the 2nd Amendment believe in responsible firearms ownership not Wild West standoffs at high noon with the sheriff.

We also support the rigorous enforcement of firearms ownership bans against convicted felons, thereby ensuring most of the persons protesting in Minnesota are completely outgunned at all times.

I missed the part of the video where the police identified all bystanders as convicted felons. I certainly never suggested anything but legal gun ownership, but I'm not surprised you saw black people in a big city and assumed they were felons. That's on page 4 of the Trumpeteer handbook right?

Rioting, looting and burning down the police station is not a felony?

mrswdk wrote:These poor people have spent so long oppressed and marginalised that they can't even spell simple words in their own native language. But that has not stopped them from striking a swift blow against the hand that oppresses them:

That’s one possibility. Another is that the type of individual who would help burn down a police station is the same type who isn’t interested in taking advantage of the free educational opportunities provided by my tax dollars. I’m thinking both statements have a kernel of truth and neither tell the whole story.

I’m betting you and your compatriots will process those three sentences and be unable to process the possibility that the world is grey and problems are complex.

People should be outraged and should protest, peacefully. They should not loot or burn down buildings or destroy property. I encourage all to protest peacefully, but riots accomplish nothing and (I will say it again) turn-off the ‘silent majority’.

It’s funny how I was attacked earlier for saying “people don’t like riots”... and though my comments were clearly abused and misinterpreted I received no apology (yes you mrswdk and Endgame).

The extremists (on both sides) really abhor reason.

2dimes wrote:Rioting, looting and burning down the police station is not a felony?

talking about two different things. Is there some evidence that the actual bystanders to the murder were felons? Or that they personally instigated riots?

Rioters in MN today are no more or less guilty of a felony than the cops that killed a man while being videotaped...even rioters are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law! So maybe they are about to be felons, and maybe some rioters already are...but there is nothing currently suggesting that legally all the rioters are convicted felons (except the trump handbook).

I thought murdering an unarmed man was illegal in this country also, but we will have to wait to see if the policemen are even charged nevermind convicted.

I was thought he was talking about the guys with the TVs.

I have not even heard about what the guy who was killed did?

2dimes wrote:
I have not even heard about what the guy who was killed did?

think it was alleged he paid for something at a store w/a counterfeit $20...*shrugs*

2dimes wrote:I was thought he was talking about the guys with the TVs.

I have not even heard about what the guy who was killed did?

You mean the original victim, George Floyd?

He was accused of using a counterfeit $20 at a nearby store. So far the reports I've read indicate that the $20 was not actually counterfeit, but those are just initial reports. I'm sure when this goes to court we'll see some evidence if it was really counterfeit or not.

I'm against counterfeiting but it seems pretty minor compared to looting.

If the bill is counterfeit, is it possible he was not even aware? If I got a bogus banknote in my change during a busy transaction it might get past me.

I saw a report they are charging the cop with 3rd degree murder.

I just heard that the victim and his murderer worked security for the same company at the same location, and may have even known each other!

looting is worse than counterfeiting for sure... murder is worse than both!

2dimes wrote:I'm against counterfeiting but it seems pretty minor compared to looting.

If the bill is counterfeit, is it possible he was not even aware? If I got a bogus banknote in my change during a busy transaction it might get past me.

Exactly. And even if he did it knowingly, it's hardly a good reason to kill him.

Note to Police - Do Not Kill

Note to Looters - Do Not Steal

Note to Politicians - Do Not Bear False Witness

Note to dimes - do not covet your neighbor's 70 Chevelle SS LS-7?