King's Court 2 [Quenched]

[isaiah40]

Sorry if this has been brought up already, but for the king it says -4 for each castle. Is this right? It seems like if you hold the king and a castle you should get something not lose.

In terms of gameplay making 2 vital parts of the game collide with each other (giving negative bonus) is the best way to spice things

(a bit like in Conquer Rome, you get negative bonus if you hold the emperor and a barbarian tribe - those are 2 key elements on map)

Ah, okay, I didn't know if you had inadvertently hit the - instead of the +. This is looking good gameplay wise, I'll see what the other CA's think. But in the meantime I think this one can get stickied!!

[isaiah40]

Sorry if this has been brought up already, but for the king it says -4 for each castle. Is this right? It seems like if you hold the king and a castle you should get something not lose.

In terms of gameplay making 2 vital parts of the game collide with each other (giving negative bonus) is the best way to spice things

(a bit like in Conquer Rome, you get negative bonus if you hold the emperor and a barbarian tribe - those are 2 key elements on map)

Ah, okay, I didn't know if you had inadvertently hit the - instead of the +. This is looking good gameplay wise, I'll see what the other CA's think.!!

This will be stamped in a couple of days if there are not any other gameplay issues!

[Kabanellas]

thank you

[wolfpack0530]

kab, it looks really really good. sexy even.

i now need to buy a new keyboard......

[isaiah40]

I missed this one. My two days turned into 1 week. Sorry about that Kab.

By the King's order, I now declare this map stamped!

[Kabanellas]

thank you !! I'll start working on the small map now

[gimil]

Hi mate,

Can you post the most recent version of your map so I can get in a review?

Cheers,
gimil

[Kabanellas]

Hi Gimil,

it's this one as it stands on the first page:

[bigimg]http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/4442/scourt2v13img.png[/bigimg]

[gimil]

Alright mate,

Looking pretty good. I only have onemajor concern at the moment. Your impassables are currently crisp, beveled shaped. Which does not fit the light grungy map look you have. I think you need to develop new impassables that fit better with the rest of your map.


Right now there is nothing wrong with your impassables. The style just doesn't fit that of the rest of the map.


Cheers,
gimil

[Kabanellas]

I think I know what you mean... though I must say that those differences of styles are part of this map graphical/artistic concept.

I don't want to make another 'Dawn of Ages' map where mountains and forest do fit the style of an ancient hand drawn map - all equally

In King's Court 2 I'm taking the King's Court graphical concept (of beveled impassables) and twist it a bit to result in something like this.

And I do love the outcome of it. ...And honestly I can't figure it working in any other way. Of course that artistic results are not objective and are always debatable - but this was the path I chose to thread.

[AndyDufresne]

I think the graphics and thematic elements you have going are all working well together. I've mostly avoided playing on Kings Court 1, but watching this map develop, makes me want to take a stab at 1, and give 2 a shot if it comes out.

Best of luck,


--Andy

[Kabanellas]

Thank you Andy.

[gimil]

I think I know what you mean... though I must say that those differences of styles are part of this map graphical/artistic concept.

I don't want to make another 'Dawn of Ages' map where mountains and forest do fit the style of an ancient hand drawn map - all equally

In King's Court 2 I'm taking the King's Court graphical concept (of beveled impassables) and twist it a bit to result in something like this.

And I do love the outcome of it. ...And honestly I can't figure it working in any other way. Of course that artistic results are not objective and are always debatable - but this was the path I chose to thread.

I see exactly what you mean. and on Kings Court 1 it works. I think here they will work but currently the mountains feel just a tad to bubbly and clean. I would encourage you to tweek them a bit, if that is alright? The trees on the other hand, look far to much like rabbit shit to me. I really don't feel them and think that trees could be much better represented in the style you are after. Maybe making the dots smaller and having a variety of colours, maybe three different shades of green would work.

What do you think?

[natty dread]

Agree about the trees, they don't work

[Kabanellas]

I see exactly what you mean. and on Kings Court 1 it works. I think here they will work but currently the mountains feel just a tad to bubbly and clean. I would encourage you to tweek them a bit, if that is alright? The trees on the other hand, look far to much like rabbit shit to me. I really don't feel them and think that trees could be much better represented in the style you are after. Maybe making the dots smaller and having a variety of colours, maybe three different shades of green would work.

What do you think?

Ok. Making those trees colors variate could make sense, and might work just fine. I'll try it. And I'll also try to work a bit on the mountains, though I like the way they look... But I'll test some stuff there

[bernooch]

wow.....just wow

[Kabanellas]

Some testing on the trees (upper left side)

[bigimg]http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/3161/scourt2v12aimg.png[/bigimg]

actual version:

[bigimg]http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/4442/scourt2v13img.png[/bigimg]

[DiM]

Some testing on the trees (upper left side)

it's upper right actually

anyway, imho it's not an improvement over the old trees. what you should do is get a round brush (since you said you like trees to look like that), then set a light yellowish green as a foreground colour and a dark brownish green as the background. then adjust the brush settings to vary between those colours, to vary in size and make the brush scatter. you can also toy around with the hue. then paint your forest and apply a small bevel.

for a more natural looking forest you'll actually need to use a different brush (not hard round) and also adjust the orientation to jitter.

[natty dread]

Why do you want the trees to look like small plastic nubs? And why is each "tree" larger than a building in a village?

I actually think you should reduce the bevel on the forests, and reduce the size of the trees, the colour variation isn't so important...

Oh, and rather than having an individual bevel for each tree, you should first draw the trees and then apply the bevel on them, if that makes sense...

[thenobodies80]

Why do you want the trees to look like small plastic nubs? And why is each "tree" larger than a building in a village?

Agree about not having them that look like plastic, but disagree about size, in fact Medieval Art and proportions doesn't match exactly So I think they fit the map under some aspects, but certainly they need another look.

[gimil]

Plastic? I still think they look like rabbit poo. Substantially reduce there size (as natty suggested) is deffo a good starting point.

[AndyDufresne]

Just to throw this out there, the colors make the trees look worse in my eyes, it makes the circles look more artificial than they already are.

I think I'd just prefer them to be the same color, with varying sizes.


--Andy

[thenobodies80]

I still think they look like rabbit poo.

lol
Yeah, maybe less round it's better

[Kabanellas]

It's hard for me to find a way out of it because I really like the way they look. But I'll try to come up with something...

[natty dread]

It's hard for me to find a way out of it because I really like the way they look. But I'll try to come up with something...

The trees aren't bad per se... they might look great on some other map, but on this map they look bad, you know? They don't seem to fit the general style of the map.

Why not make them more similar to the mountains... you know, how a forest from far above looks like just a mass of green, you can't see the individual trees... just make them a vaguely similar shape to the mountains, but a bit more flat, and less conical, maybe with a bit less smooth outline... know what I'm saying? Then give them the foresty look by the way of texture and shading.