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Re: Do i exist?
Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 2:38 pm
by Woodruff
saxitoxin wrote:Woodruff wrote:daddy1gringo wrote:But like Woodruff said, if we are that far gone, there is no point in trying to think about anything anyway, so do the best you can with reality as you perceive it. Actually, he never said that, I was interpolating and extrapolating from what he did say. Sorry if I misrepresented your thoughts, W.
Nope, you nailed it.
Woodruff doesn't exist.
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Re: Do i exist?
Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 2:53 pm
by nietzsche
alex951 wrote:daddy1gringo wrote:Well that's the point of the "I think, therefore I am" thing. I may be deceived, but if that is true, then there must be an "I" to be deceived. I may be perceiving incorrectly, but that means that there must be an "I" that is perceiving.
I may be a computer program, or an elephant seal, or a mote of dust floating in an updraft, or a disembodied spirit, or something that I have never conceived of, but there must be something which I can refer to as "I". Well, arguably, whatever "I" am must have a consciousness to be perceiving, or "think"ing.
That is how you can know that you exist, according to Descartes anyway. Then you use that as a launch pad to figure out what else you can know for sure.
The only hole I can see in it is this: It's based on laws of causality: "IF THIS is true, THEN it logically follows that THAT is also true." But if you are assuming that you could be deceived about ANYTHING, then how do you know that THAT logically follows, and you are not deceived about the laws of causality too?
But like Woodruff said, if we are that far gone, there is no point in trying to think about anything anyway, so do the best you can with reality as you perceive it. Actually, he never said that, I was interpolating and extrapolating from what he did say. Sorry if I misrepresented your thoughts, W.
thank you!
ey! I said basically the same thing and didn't get any claps
Re: Do i exist?
Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 4:15 pm
by saxitoxin
Woodruff wrote:saxitoxin wrote:Woodruff wrote:daddy1gringo wrote:But like Woodruff said, if we are that far gone, there is no point in trying to think about anything anyway, so do the best you can with reality as you perceive it. Actually, he never said that, I was interpolating and extrapolating from what he did say. Sorry if I misrepresented your thoughts, W.
Nope, you nailed it.
Woodruff doesn't exist.
See:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=116286
You failed to use your own reporting form.
O/T - you need to raise this issue in the Alternative Dispute Resolution Forum, in C&A, or
not at all.
Re: Do i exist?
Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 5:31 pm
by Minister Masket
Reality is reality. But it can be bent with imagination.
Re: Do i exist?
Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 6:07 pm
by hecter
Re: Do i exist?
Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 3:24 am
by Woodruff
saxitoxin wrote:Woodruff wrote:saxitoxin wrote:Woodruff wrote:daddy1gringo wrote:But like Woodruff said, if we are that far gone, there is no point in trying to think about anything anyway, so do the best you can with reality as you perceive it. Actually, he never said that, I was interpolating and extrapolating from what he did say. Sorry if I misrepresented your thoughts, W.
Nope, you nailed it.
Woodruff doesn't exist.
See:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=116286
You failed to use your own reporting form.
O/T - you need to raise this issue in the Alternative Dispute Resolution Forum, in C&A, or
not at all.
No.