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Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:55 pm
by vtmarik
We also have to reflect on the end of an era.
Saddam was the last of the great dictators: Franco, Mussolini, Stalin, and all the rest.
We have officially run out of good, old fashioned despots to overthrow and condemn. Now all we are left with is communist dictators (Castro, Kim Jong Il, etc.) and fundamentalist muslim clerics.
A moment of silence please, for the death of the ODs (original despots).
Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 5:29 pm
by mr. incrediball
Roger Dodger wrote:it's about time... there has gotta be a worst place than hell for people like him.
genocide is probably one of the highest crimes i can think of. it is right up there with terrorism, suicide bombers, serial killers , killers and child molesters.
to me these are the most dispicable acts that any human can commit.
they say that history repeats itself. i believe this statement to be true.
Croatians vs Serbians ,hootos & tootoos, the mass killings and torture of Jews throughout history by various parties and way to many others that have committed genocide through the years.
i just don't understand why there is so much hatred and evil in this " civilized world"
they fill up the prisons and, our tax dollars keep these individuals feed, clothed and provide shelter for them.
I personally believe that people that commit these crimes need to be executed. not kept health & happy in prison.
Saddam shoud have been chained to something and stoned by the victims families he caused so much pain to.
hanging is quick. too good for him.
the end. i got it out of my chest. thank you.
ugh, the death penalty, thank god we don't have it here, i reckon scum like that need to be exiled to a place a long way away, maybe they could work as astronauts, on badly built rockets, signing one of those "we cannot be responsible if" contracts, hehehe...
Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 7:53 pm
by Econ2000
vtmarik wrote:We also have to reflect on the end of an era.
Saddam was the last of the great dictators: Franco, Mussolini, Stalin, and all the rest.
We have officially run out of good, old fashioned despots to overthrow and condemn. Now all we are left with is communist dictators (Castro, Kim Jong Il, etc.) and fundamentalist muslim clerics.
A moment of silence please, for the death of the ODs (original despots).
I thinkk now we must concentrate on
HAZARDOUS ppl! ont just some person cause hes communist or someone casu hes nationalist, etc.
Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 7:56 pm
by Backglass
vtmarik wrote:We also have to reflect on the end of an era.
Saddam was the last of the great dictators: Franco, Mussolini, Stalin, and all the rest.
We have officially run out of good, old fashioned despots to overthrow and condemn.
Hugo Chavez. Wake me when we invade and hang him...he has oil so George should be interested.
Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 8:08 pm
by s.xkitten
he's dead, we can't change it...so get over it
Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 9:02 pm
by Jehan
Stopper wrote:happysadfun wrote:2 hundred thousand? ?? ??? Thats pretty far off.
I think the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health would agree with you, considering that their researchers think it's closer to 600,000.
Link to a Murdoch rag for you:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 67,00.html
yeah I'm aware that estimates range from 30000 (US gov) to 600000, i was trying to post somewhere in the middle there, the point is on raw numbers who is responsible for more suffering?
Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 9:11 pm
by happysadfun
Econ2000 wrote:vtmarik wrote:We also have to reflect on the end of an era.
Saddam was the last of the great dictators: Franco, Mussolini, Stalin, and all the rest.
We have officially run out of good, old fashioned despots to overthrow and condemn. Now all we are left with is communist dictators (Castro, Kim Jong Il, etc.) and fundamentalist muslim clerics.
A moment of silence please, for the death of the ODs (original despots).
I thinkk now we must concentrate on
HAZARDOUS ppl! ont just some person cause hes communist or someone casu hes nationalist, etc.
Communists have a history of violence.
Fidel- Cuban Missle Crisis
Kim- YOu live in a cave if you don't know
USSR- world domination goal, oppression, cold war
Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 9:29 pm
by rathersane
vtmarik wrote:We also have to reflect on the end of an era.
Saddam was the last of the great dictators: Franco, Mussolini, Stalin, and all the rest.
We have officially run out of good, old fashioned despots to overthrow and condemn. Now all we are left with is communist dictators (Castro, Kim Jong Il, etc.) and fundamentalist muslim clerics.
A moment of silence please, for the death of the ODs (original despots).
Saddam was just a tinpot wannabe Stalin, fancied himself the saviour of the nation, and crafted his cult of personality after Stalin's (he had the same goddamn moustache for crying out loud).
Great dictators exploit the resources and slave labor of their own countries and the ones they conquer in order to establish their horrifically glorious legacies. Iraq went to shit once US aid was cut off.
Saddam's Iraq during the 1990s is a good example of a country cannibalizing itsself.
Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 9:41 pm
by Stopper
rathersane wrote:Saddam's Iraq during the 1990s is a good example of a country cannibalizing itsself.
Not just cannibalizing itself, but being embargoed - very effectively, too, in that they got no materials for weapons of mass destruction.
How can anybody think that Hussein's death is worth celebrating, now that 80 people die every day in Iraq? Iraq is 10 times smaller than the US, but that is more violent deaths than in the US every day.
Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:25 pm
by morph
DogDoc wrote:cowshrptrn wrote:Here we are, trumpeting Iraq as this step forward for democracy, and we kill him in such an arcane way as hanging. Its a step backwards. While i don't approve of the death penalty, i think that if you do you should at least make it humane.
Firstly, "we" didn't kill him. He was tried in an Iraqi court before an Iraqi tribunal and the death sentence was meted out by Iraqis. Secondly, if done properly where the neck is broken and the spinal cord severed, hanging is as humane of a death as anything else. If it's botched, they strangle and die of asphyxiation and that's not so nice. From the looks of the photos, it appears to have been done correctly.
this parts me... screwed up the quote thingy.. o well..
actually its umm let me think its if the rope is to short he strangles... if its to long his head pops off... yaaa there is a special formula to how to figure out the correct length sooo yaa its either that way or just switch it around...
Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:14 am
by rathersane
According to the BBC, the rope snapped his spinal cord, and he died instantly. But now the Sunnis are vowing revenge. Whatever happened to realpolitick?
Here's what I would have done had I been the Iraqi "government" in concert with the American Neocons who wanted a stable Mesopotamian oilfield:
1. Try Saddam for causing everything evil, including the Colorado blizzards and that tornado that displaced Dorothy out of Kansas. Katrina and the tsunami? Yeah.
2. Sentence him to death with much fanfare
3. Break him out of prison and give him asylum in a country that would never extradite him (this is to prevent the Sunnis from making him into a martyr so as to avenge him)
4. The new Iraqi government continually demands his extradition (to keep the Shiites happy) to no avail (to keep the Sunnis happy).
5. If Saddam gets too talkative on the matter, we send in a sniper and POP! He dies, but we make it look like Sagida (his wife) hired a contract killer for a different kind of revenge.
Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:32 pm
by Utafar
Saddam is dead, it is a sad day for the world as the chance to kick him in the balls has been taken away. lol
Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:02 pm
by rathersane
Not to mention the chance to use him as a pawn in yet another geopolitical chessmatch. Oh well, we still have Assad and Ahmadinejad, and maybe even Sarkozy!
Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:21 pm
by Stopper
rathersane wrote:maybe even Sarkozy!
Well, I hope not, I'd much prefer Segolene. Much prettier...
Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:43 am
by heavycola
happysadfun wrote:2 hundred thousand? ?? ??? Thats pretty far off. Which side is terroristic and dictatorial? Which side is training Iraqi soldiers and police to protect themselves and liberating innocent villagers to be free?
"Liberating innocent villagers to be free"? That doesn't mean anything. Also it's tautological. Please let's have no more unthinking flagwaving rhetorical bullshit.
I don't have any sympathy for him, of course. But capital punishment is barbaric, outdated and wrong. And it was a show trial.
BUt this OP is hardly surprising - in 2005, 94% of all state executions took place in China, Iran, Saudi Arabia and.... the USA!
Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:33 am
by vtmarik
That picture reminds me of an old joke:
How did the US know there had to be WMDs?
They looked at the receipt.
Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:25 pm
by happysadfun
heavycola wrote:happysadfun wrote:2 hundred thousand? ?? ??? Thats pretty far off. Which side is terroristic and dictatorial? Which side is training Iraqi soldiers and police to protect themselves and liberating innocent villagers to be free?
I don't have any sympathy for him, of course. But capital punishment is barbaric, outdated and wrong. And it was a show trial.
BUt this OP is hardly surprising - in 2005, 94% of all state executions took place in China, Iran, Saudi Arabia and.... the USA!
China- 1.4 Billion people, politically unstable.
Iran- Very, very politically unstable.
Saudi- A dangerous place. My uncle went there and the plane he was in was almost shot down.
USA- A smaller minority out of the four named, known for liberty and justice.
Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:18 pm
by Stopper
vtmarik wrote:How did the US know there had to be WMDs?
They looked at the receipt.
They should have looked more closely at the receipt...They may have seen they were well past their best-before date!
Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:26 pm
by Beastly
Wonder if about right now Saddam is getting pinapples right up his poop shute.
Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:37 pm
by Stopper
He might be. People do funny things to corpses. What of it?
Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:19 pm
by khazalid
oh dear. i am, again, amazed at your collective stupidity
Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:48 pm
by vtmarik
khazalid wrote:oh dear. i am, again, amazed at your collective stupidity
Care to fill in the blank spot with some examples or your full reaction, or are you just going to sit there and complain like the pommy that you are?
hmm
Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:51 pm
by khazalid
i could flesh it out if i wanted to
im sure youll be contented enough to know im a fan of transmetropolitan like yourself
as for being a pommie, well
its just not true
Re: hmm
Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:00 pm
by vtmarik
khazalid wrote:i could flesh it out if i wanted to
im sure youll be contented enough to know im a fan of transmetropolitan like yourself
as for being a pommie, well
its just not true
Well, you are british.
And I'm guessing that you aren't
australian....
If you are australian, I apologize.
And yes, Transmet is my newest find and fandom.
I've got to get volumes 2-10, as well as Preachers 1-4, and 6
Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:05 pm
by rathersane
Stopper wrote:rathersane wrote:maybe even Sarkozy!
Well, I hope not, I'd much prefer Segolene. Much prettier...
That's my dilemma: Ségolène is much prettier but Sarkozy is a lot funnier. Maybe they could work out some kind of deal...