9/11 Conspiracies(threads merged)

[Juan_Bottom]

YOUR POINT IS MOOT. Do your own fraggin' research. Both have recently been declassified, AND WE DID BOTH TO OURSELVES ON PURPOSE!

I did my own "fraggin' research" It' s called reading. Unfortunately it's rather difficult to cite books online, so I'll just use wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Am ... #USS_Maine for the USS Maine and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_To ... rst_attack for the gulf on tonkin...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

President Johnson lied about the Gulf of Tonkin to send Americans off to fight in Vietnam.
There were no torpedoes in the water in the Gulf. LBJ took advantage of an inexperienced sonar man's report to goad Congress into escalating the Vietnam War.

President McKinley told the American people that the USS Maine had been sunk in Havana Harbor by a Spanish mine. The American people, outraged by this apparent unprovoked attack, supported the Spanish American War. The Captain of the USS Maine had insisted the ship was sunk by a coal bin explosion, investigations after the war proved that such had indeed been the case. There had been no mine.


Anyone else here see the video of Benziar Bhutto claiming OSAMA was dead, shortly before her assassination?

And NEOTENY, what the crap are you doing in here?

[Backglass]

There was almost no debri from this crash, "because it vaporized."

Please just answer this one question. WHY do you keep saying "they vaporized"? Never have I seen anyone claim that they did, although the tin-foil hat crowd loves to spew this about.

Here are some pics of your "vaporized" pentagon airplane:


Wheel rims


Landing gear strut


More parts complete with "Boeing Green" primer.


Part of the APU (Auxilliary Power Unit)


Hit lightpoles & damaged vehicles


Debris...complete with American Airlines logo

[InkL0sed]

Juan, you didn't answer my point about 9/11 being overkill and nonsensical as an excuse to go to war a la Gulf of Tonkin.

Why kill thousands of civilians if a simple attack on an insignificant military ship with maybe two soldiers on board would have sufficed? Why the attack on Pentagon as well when the attack on WTC would already have been more than enough?

[icicletasty69]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

President Johnson lied about the Gulf of Tonkin to send Americans off to fight in Vietnam.
There were no torpedoes in the water in the Gulf. LBJ took advantage of an inexperienced sonar man's report to goad Congress into escalating the Vietnam War.

President McKinley told the American people that the USS Maine had been sunk in Havana Harbor by a Spanish mine. The American people, outraged by this apparent unprovoked attack, supported the Spanish American War. The Captain of the USS Maine had insisted the ship was sunk by a coal bin explosion, investigations after the war proved that such had indeed been the case. There had been no mine.

Now you have your facts right. However, your point is still moot as you were using the incidents to show that the US government had blown up it's own ships before, when really it was more misinformation about what others had done. So, this has no relevance to asserting that the US govt. blew up any buildings on Sept. 11, 2001. As for your other link, that is very interesting, but an someone having an idea for doing such a thing and individual people having the will to pull it off are very different things. Also, that was during the cold war, which was a very different atmosphere than it was in 2001, as we had a defined enemy in 1961. Perhaps it has some legitimacy as evidence of the possibility, but it is not sufficient to convince me that someone would have or did enact such a plan on 9/11.

[Backglass]

Anyone else here see the video of Benziar Bhutto claiming OSAMA was dead, shortly before her assassination?

Now...I don't think that Bush is smart enough to mastermind 9/11...but he IS smart enough to not mention Bin Laden's death in order to keep his war machine rolling.

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

"I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'"
- G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI

"...Secondly, he is not escaping us. This is a guy, who, three months ago, was in control of a county [sic]. Now he's maybe in control of a cave. He's on the run. Listen, a while ago I said to the American people, our objective is more than bin Laden. But one of the things for certain is we're going to get him running and keep him running, and bring him to justice. And that's what's happening. He's on the run, if he's running at all. So we don't know whether he's in cave with the door shut, or a cave with the door open -- we just don't know...."
- G.W. Bush, 12/28/01

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him." - G.W. Bush 3/13/02

Nice. Why are we doing all this again George?

[Juan_Bottom]

Bhutto says Omar Sheikh killed Osama---go onto Google and type Bhutto says Osama is dead in the browser. A couple of interviews with her will pop up. She said it a couple of times. That video alone makes me question our media...It should have been news here.

[InkL0sed]

Bhutto says Omar Sheikh killed Osama---go onto Google and type Bhutto says Osama is dead in the browser. A couple of interviews with her will pop up. She said it a couple of times. That video alone makes me question our media...It should have been news here.

Why would they bother assassinating her if it didn't make news here anyway...?

[Juan_Bottom]

Bhutto says Omar Sheikh killed Osama---go onto Google and type Bhutto says Osama is dead in the browser. A couple of interviews with her will pop up. She said it a couple of times. That video alone makes me question our media...It should have been news here.

Why would they bother assassinating her if it didn't make news here anyway...?

I'm not saying she was assissinated for saying that!!!! Aw man, the Pakistani Government prolly did it.... But as far as I'm concerned, the juries still out on just who had her killed.

She was assassinated by a suicide bomber. There are videos all over the web.

[InkL0sed]

Juan, you didn't answer my point about 9/11 being overkill and nonsensical as an excuse to go to war a la Gulf of Tonkin.

Why kill thousands of civilians if a simple attack on an insignificant military ship with maybe two soldiers on board would have sufficed? Why the attack on Pentagon as well when the attack on WTC would already have been more than enough?

[Juan_Bottom]

Juan, you didn't answer my point about 9/11 being overkill and nonsensical as an excuse to go to war a la Gulf of Tonkin.

Why kill thousands of civilians if a simple attack on an insignificant military ship with maybe two soldiers on board would have sufficed? Why the attack on Pentagon as well when the attack on WTC would already have been more than enough?

Didn't I just reply to this?.....Nope....It's gone...sorry..

Well, my response was this..
I mostly agree with you. But! I try not to speculate at all. It's speculation that gets a body into trouble and it is my number one beef with truthers. I only ever wish to evidence my claims, is all. After taht, let the individual draw their own conclusions.

Perhaps it has some legitimacy as evidence of the possibility, but it is not sufficient to convince me that someone would have or did enact such a plan on 9/11.

This is good! It's where I started too. At least you're listening to both sides.

[jay_a2j]

I challenge ANYONE who has a pilots license, to fly over the Pentagon. I will give you $1,000 if you make it. (It must be videotaped with you on camera as you visibly fly OVER the Pentagon)

Hey, if terrorists did it surely YOU can.

[Juan_Bottom]

I challenge ANYONE who has a pilots license, to fly over the Pentagon. I will give you $1,000 if you make it. (It must be videotaped with you on camera as you visibly fly OVER the Pentagon)

Hey, if terrorists did it surely YOU can.

BACKGLASS's pictures kinda helped us out there huh?

Anyway, It doesn't seem anyone followed up on this.

A gang of Arabs beat NORAD three times in one day, including an attack on the pentagon (the most highly protected airspace on the planet) using boxcutters?
Just after control of take down order is transferred to the President/Vice president only? Why?http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/260607_mineta.html
http://aolsearcht3.search.aol.com/aol/s ... ery=google

The Secretary of Transportation testified that not only did Cheny lie about where he was on the morning of 9-11, but that he may have actually, literaly, had his finger on the button.
His testimony was removed from the commission report.

[jay_a2j]

Thermite people! Thermite. backglass, heavycola and other deniers, watch this video evidence of Thermite falling from the WTC.

THERMITE

[Juan_Bottom]

Jay just a friendly question, but do you have any links that aren't videos? Cordite has been found on I beams taken from the towers.

[jay_a2j]

Jay just a friendly question, but do you have any links that aren't videos? Cordite has been found on I beams taken from the towers.

Unfortunately no, I want them to see the evidence. You are more than welcome to come over to my house and view it.

[Juan_Bottom]

Jay just a friendly question, but do you have any links that aren't videos? Cordite has been found on I beams taken from the towers.

Unfortunately no, I want them to see the evidence. You are more than welcome to come over to my house and view it.

Not for me!!!!!!!
For them. Your YOUTUBE videos tend to get dismissed, and most of the time I really don't think people watch them. But we'll see!

That was funny though!

[heavycola]

I challenge ANYONE who has a pilots license, to fly over the Pentagon. I will give you $1,000 if you make it. (It must be videotaped with you on camera as you visibly fly OVER the Pentagon)

Hey, if terrorists did it surely YOU can.

TOO EASY!



The Pentagon is directly beneath the westward approach to Ronald Reagan airport. Planes fly over it at low altitude every day.

NEXT!

[Iliad]

I challenge ANYONE who has a pilots license, to fly over the Pentagon. I will give you $1,000 if you make it. (It must be videotaped with you on camera as you visibly fly OVER the Pentagon)

Hey, if terrorists did it surely YOU can.

TOO EASY!



The Pentagon is directly beneath the westward approach to Ronald Reagan airport. Planes fly over it at low altitude every day.

NEXT!

jay I think you owe 1000 to someone

[heavycola]

Jay just a friendly question, but do you have any links that aren't videos? Cordite has been found on I beams taken from the towers.

EVIDENCE? ACTUAL EVIDENCE PLS.

Charles Manson's ghost appeared in the dust cloud after WTC2 went down.
Larry Silverstein is a prominent member of the NWO and was sacrificing babies in the basement of WTC7 hours before it fell.
Traces of interstellar magic boom-boom dust were found at ground zero, PROVING alien involvement

You see?
Dude, for every bit of specualtion or half-truth you have offered, we have rebutted with actual evidence. Do you not see a pattern emerging here?

[jay_a2j]

Jay just a friendly question, but do you have any links that aren't videos? Cordite has been found on I beams taken from the towers.

EVIDENCE? ACTUAL EVIDENCE PLS.

Charles Manson's ghost appeared in the dust cloud after WTC2 went down.
Larry Silverstein is a prominent member of the NWO and was sacrificing babies in the basement of WTC7 hours before it fell.
Traces of interstellar magic boom-boom dust were found at ground zero, PROVING alien involvement

You see?
Dude, for every bit of specualtion or half-truth you have offered, we have rebutted with actual evidence. Do you not see a pattern emerging here?

Heavy it is evidence, but you refuse to look at it. We have video tape of a orange molten liquid falling from the WTC. You can not deny it, you can not refute it, so the only thing you can do is IGNORE it. Good little kool-aid drinker!

[Dancing Mustard]

We have video tape of a orange molten liquid falling from the WTC.

Get us a picture (or, if you simply must, a video) and I guarantee it will be conclusively rebutted in moments.

Also, if you simply can't resist youtube's lure, at least have the decency to tell us the time in the clip at which the mystery-goo is visible.

[Neoteny]

Jay just a friendly question, but do you have any links that aren't videos? Cordite has been found on I beams taken from the towers.

EVIDENCE? ACTUAL EVIDENCE PLS.

Charles Manson's ghost appeared in the dust cloud after WTC2 went down.
Larry Silverstein is a prominent member of the NWO and was sacrificing babies in the basement of WTC7 hours before it fell.
Traces of interstellar magic boom-boom dust were found at ground zero, PROVING alien involvement

You see?
Dude, for every bit of specualtion or half-truth you have offered, we have rebutted with actual evidence. Do you not see a pattern emerging here?

Heavy it is evidence, but you refuse to look at it. We have video tape of a orange molten liquid falling from the WTC. You can not deny it, you can not refute it, so the only thing you can do is IGNORE it. Good little kool-aid drinker!

How do you know it was molten?

[jay_a2j]

How do you know it was molten?

Well, it appears molten in the video.

[Neoteny]

How do you know it was molten?

Well, it appears molten in the video.

Maybe it was an orange curtain. Or some kool-aid?

[Neoteny]

I found a video of the molten metal.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=30dP6ld0X-U